gangsta rap invented to encourage black on black crime??

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  1. marleyisalegend

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    I couldn't help but think that if the government really doesn't want a black leader, surely Barack Obama wouldn't be in the running for president...

    I doubt these are genuine quotes - she wouldn't wear AK-47 jewelry!? Would she?



    And that link didn't work - try this one:
    Alicia Keys: Gangsta Rap Is A Ploy To Get Black People To KILL EACH OTHER!!! - MediaTakeOut.com™ 2008
     
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    NOT! I love Alicia Keys music but I am just not feeling that particular theory. I can not speak definitively about it being INVENTEd to encourage black on black crime but I do say that it legitimizes it in some cases. There was black on black crime way before Gansta rap. When rap was still firmly ensconced in the 5 borroughs Cool Moe Dee's monster hit "THe Wild Wild West " expressed his concern about the shift in black on black violence. It has definitely glamourized certain types of behavior but the sickness was there well before Gangsta became big.
     
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    valid points?

    yeah....N.W.A didn't start gangsta rap...it was the C.I.A. :rolleyes:

    the C.I.A had a special section, where they assisted Eazy E, Mc Ren, Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dog, Suge Knight, Wu Tang Clan, Onyx, Compton's Most Wanted in forming this syndicate designed to kill black people.


    this is the same ridiculous crap over and over. yes, i agree, the government can and has done terrible things to many people in the past...however, take some element of responsibility.
     
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    the government can't STOP him from running. and maybe i should reiterate, DOES gangsta rap promote and encourage black on black violence or is art just imitating life?? as far as the validity of the quote, i stated from jump that i wasn't sure, it was just a means of opening the discussion. it sounds outrageous but it could be true, alicia is a very socialistic person ESPECIALLY in the black community and does extensive work towards the progress of black people. i don't know why she would be immune from this line of thought any more than other people who follow this line of thinking except for you not wanting to believe it. as far as the ak47 pendant, i haven't seen any pictures of her carrying but that's not really what i was trying to discuss here
     
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    Was this comment necessary? It isnt about taking responsibility . THe question was if we think that premise is true or not.
     
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    who's trying to avoid responsibility?? you're grossly exaggerating the statement, is it inconceivable to you that the same government that's been lying about a war for several years now is capable of funding or supporting music that's detrimental to the black community?? i personally don't think Ice-T was built in a lab and sent to destroy black americans but do i think the governments hands, in some way unforseen, are not completely clean of the overall situation
     
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    Now I will agree that I think Gangsta rap legitimizes and glamorizes violence and forms of misogyny and that there have probably been those who have been influenced by it. But to say that it was CREATED to perpetuate black on black crime is stretching it. Unfortunately however it may be contributing to it.
     
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    gangsta rappers are pussies. so are gangstas. fists solve problems better than guns ever could.
     
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    I did find it intriguing though that the most recent issue of VIBE had RObert DeNiro and Curtis "Fifty Cent" Jackson on the cover dubbed "Now that's Gangsta! " Fifty Cent' was in awe of DeNiro. I was cracking up how are imitates art that allegedly is "keeping it real"
     
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    it was absolutely necessary. The OP asked if these were "valid points".

    and the points are not valid...gangsta rap occurred because these alleged "gangstas" were allegedly singing about the lives they lived and the things they saw...they claimed they were "artists" and it was their responsiblity to sing and write about what they knew and the violence and poverty they saw every day in their community...they were mysoginstic, homophobic and they claimed that this was a part of their lives.

    They created it from what they said they saw everyday...art imitating life, or art accurately reflecting the lives they see...

    the governement did not create it...the people, i.e "artists" in the community did...and that is where the responsibility lies...and young people that are taking wrong messages from "gangsta Rap", and are going out killing each other because of it, is hardly the fault of the government...

    it is the responsiblity of those in the community, and those that created gangsta rap.

    as i said...those who started it can't just blame "the government" for something they started and brought to prominence.

    it is their responsiblity.
     
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    50 cent's success is the epitomy of what is wrong with America today.
     
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    To quote Cool Moe Dee., an old school rapper of my time, from "Wild, Wild West" "...we beat 'em down with our hands and body slammed em'..."
     
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    Gangsta rap I believe does indeed promote violence, and no doubt has led to a lot of violent behaviour.
    As naughty said, this violence existed before gangasta rap, and I believe that gansta rap is simply a catalyst which has created more violence. I do not, however believe that this form of rap exists to promote violence, but it is used as it is what people (for some reason) want to listen to.
     
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    My question though is who actually are the "They" you are talking about? THis is one person's alleged theory.
     
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    the only thing "I got shot 9 times" means to me is "I am a fucking dipshit that doesn't know when to keep my mouth shut"
     
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    I remember when rapping and rap was hype music. Party music. Dance music.

    Nowadays, it is a means of division and disrespect. Maybe glorification of violence and murder.

    There used to be some sort of musicianship to the whole thing too.

    Maybe the artists could reverse the trend of gangsta rap and create some positive minded rap music. Maybe bring the party back.
     
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    "those who started it" aren't the ones making these claims. and maybe i should broaden the horizon a bit here by saying:

    DOES AMERICA SUPPORT GANGSTA RAP THAT POTENTIALLY ENCOURAGES BLACK ON BLACK CRIME.

    if the government isn't involved, it'd be a horrid denial to say big business are. who's supporting these artists?? who's booking their tours?? who's giving them endorsement deals?? it's certainly ridiculous to say they brought about their own prominense. the american public that's putting millions of dollars in their pockets buying concert tickets and cd's are helping fund this cycle of mysoginistic music. are any of these big companies that are profiting off this degrading music concerned about the negative influence or too busy counting their profits?? last time i checked coca cola wasn't run by some gangsta from the block, it's big businesses and corporate executives that know that they can profit from the image this music creates
     
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    i see...so now we are back to "the government has a hand in it".

    that is avoiding responsiblity. The governement that has "been lying about war for several years" is now suddenly funding gangsta rap?

    funny..I thought it was Death Row Records, Interscope, Universal Music Group etc...

    why would the government "fund gangsta rap"?

    not to mention, gangsta rap existed long before this particular administration that hasd been lying about a war...last I checked, gangsta rap started in the late 80s, not 2003.

    yes, it is inconceivable to me, that this government, who has more important things to do at the moment then finance gangsta rap, is "involved" with some massive conspiracy to get young african americans to kill each other through music, when those same young african americans have been doing such a brutally efficient and cold and callous job of it for close to 30 years of merciless senseless violence without the help of George W. Bush, who was probably drunk in a bar somewhere twenty years ago when "gangsta rap" started.


    I get it...don't blame Suge Knight, P Diddy, Eazy E, Snoop Dogg...blame Trent Lott.

    that makes sense.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    gangsta rappers could care less about their effect on society. its all about the money, the money they all rap about but don't really have.
     
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