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Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by Shelby, Apr 27, 2005.

  1. Shelby

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    If it really is a war for oil, I'm wondering if maybe we shouldn't kick it up a notch or two. I realize we still pay less than most of the folks across the pond, but I'm not used to it.

    I'm about ready to dust off my bicycle.
     
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    naw, I say we just drill in Alaska. Hell, we can now clone any species that we might harm anyway....ha/ha
     
  3. Shelby

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    You're hot and funny. Damn.
     
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    I'd be up for that more if we had any reason to believe there was enough there to get us beyond six months' supply. I think there are better approaches to negotiating with the Saudis than kissing their asses, but that's just me.
     
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    Ha ha...actually, I think I read somewhere that even if we did tap into Alaska, it wouldn't be available to us for about 10 years. Hopefully by then we won't depend so much on oil.
     
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    While I do agree that we all need to cut back, I don't blame it on soley on the people of North America or the American Auto Industry. They're not the ones building two seater vehicles with V-12 engines. We do have a couple of American vehicles that have V-10 engines and one proto-type that is a V16, but those are in the shadows compared to all the Eruropean vehicles that have the monstrous V-12's in them. You mentioned ths SUV's only getting 12 mpg, what about the European V-8 vehicles that only get 12-15 mpg?? Or the two seater V-12's that get even less. Do your home work before you start laying blame on one country and it's lifestyles.

    As far as crude oil goes, why not just un-cap the capped wells here in the states and use what is being held in "reserve" for future generations?? We supposedly have a 100 year "reserve" in the ground here in the states, why not use it to force OPEC to lower their prices??

    This is not meant to be a "flame" directed toward anyone, it's just my 2 cents.
     
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    We definately need to find alternate sources for fuel. We also need to make them affordable and if we can clean. I don't think this is a war specifically for oil,but if we weren't so dependent on oil, we wouldn't be so quick to but our nose in.
     
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    Don't moan. 'Gas' for my car was $7 US gallon today (UK)
    Good job it does 50mpg
     
  9. Imported

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    Yes it's a good thing we have such a forward thinking administration that is exploring ways to cut our dependence on oil. I wonder what sort of miracle people think is going to just magically appear to save our asses when we know we have a crisis coming and rather than do anything about it, we just build (and buy!) bigger cars.

    C'mon, while you do have a point and I do get a little frustrated with friends who bitch about SUV's and don't process that a Porsche is really about the same (or worse), let's be realistic about the numbers. Half the vehicles on the road in the US are SUV's or trucks do you really think that there are anywhere near that number of Europeans driving around V-12 uber-expensive uber-vehicles? Many of which are made by American owned companies!?

    It's complex economically, (and I don't agree with destroying other countries for their oil) but (the economist in me says) we are fools to use our own oil while others are willing to sell theirs at anything near a reasonable price.

    Personally, I can't afford any more of the current administration's efforts to stabilize energy prices.
     
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    All the oil in the world isn't going to make a bit of difference: not as long as U.S. refineries are at full capacity as they are now.

    If you think efforts to drill in Alaska's wilderness has brought protests, just wait until somebody proposes building more refineries!

    (If we were to switch to total ethanol, would there be wars for corn?)
     
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    That's it, I'm moving to Iowa or Ohio and starting to hord corn!

    CC - Thank you for bringing up the fact that SUVs aren't the only gas guzzlers out there. You hardly ever hear about people bitching about the other vehicles, when in fact some of the trucks and luxury cars are the worst.

    source -Don't even get me started on planes (especially military jets that "dump" fuel for various flying reasons.)

    Granted, SUVs still suck and there are still a lot of people buying them. We used to have a Pathfinder until last year and now we have a minivan. We only have a bigger vehicle b/c of the size of our family and the amount of traveling we do. I'm waiting for the day when they finally make a hybrid minivan (which I think is just around the corner).

    What actually pisses me off is that many years ago, I think like 20ish, we've had this technology to make more fuel economical cars but it had always been shot down b/c of political reasons. We should have jumped on it then and gotten ahead of it all instead of waiting to be forced into using the technology.
     
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    I'm not aware of any non-emergency procedures that involve dumping fuel. auxiliary tanks are usually designed to be jettisoned when they're empty, but I've never heard of it being done when they're not.
     
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    Yup, they do. My husband was a pilot for the navy for about 8ish years. One of the reasons would be to lighten the load if they took off for a long trip and would be weighted down too much. Apparently the weight would effect their flying or some crap like that.
     
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    Actually, (thanks though) that honor goes to Pappy.

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    My 1984 Honda CRX, EPA rated 55mpg highway. We haven't come very far, have we?
     
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    You're right. Sorry about that Pappy. That's what I get for trying to concentrate with my baby on my lap.
     
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    I'm not aware of any non-emergency procedures that involve dumping fuel. auxiliary tanks are usually designed to be jettisoned when they're empty, but I've never heard of it being done when they're not.
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    TAG is right Rock, especially when it comes to carrier landings. The pilots are only allowed to have enough fuel for one more pass when they attempt to land on a carrier. The reason being that if they crash then the flight deck personnel won't have to fight a fuel fire. Ditching the plane if they fail after the second pass is cheaper than letting them crash and burn on the flight deck. They're also not allowed to land with any live munitions.
     
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    Actually, there isn't that much oil in Alaska. It could fuel the U.S. for 500 days. It would take 30 years to extract it all.
     
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    I'd be up for that more if we had any reason to believe there was enough there to get us beyond six months' supply. I think there are better approaches to negotiating with the Saudis than kissing their asses, but that's just me.
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    We COULD bomb them for financing Al Qaida rather than just turn Osama bin Ladin into Emmanuel Goldstein.
     
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    Ha! That's pretty damned funny, I'm going to have to knock the dust off of that, we do seem to be in a rather Orwellian situation here. I would have said Kaiser Soze.
     
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    We COULD bomb them for financing Al Qaida rather than just turn Osama bin Ladin into Emmanuel Goldstein.
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    madame_zora

    There was a comment on the news (within the past week) to the effect, "since the main shipping port for oil is on the West Coast of Alaska the oil is slated to go to Japan???" That helps us right?

    b;ackwood
     
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