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More on the white screen: there is a #whiteouttuesday that was made in response to the blackout one, where you guessed it they post white posts instead of black ones. I just saw someone on Twitter complimenting kpop stans for flooding it with junk to drown it out
 

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That last sentence is all I need to know you are arguing in bad faith. Go fuck yourself.
yeah, once again, im not from US, i dont have ur background, in all my life in russia i saw only couple black people, and they were tourists or students. so forgive me, but for me all lives do matter, regardless from ethnicity
 

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yeah, once again, im not from US, i dont have ur background, in all my life in russia i saw only couple black people, and they were tourists or students. so forgive me, but for me all lives do matter, regardless from ethnicity

No one is saying that all lives don't matter. What they are saying is that for 400 years in our history black people have been treated as if their lives did not matter. You could kill a black person and face no consequences. That was true under slavery, with lynchings in the Jim Crow South and across the country now with the police killing of numerous unarmed black people innocent of any crime.
 

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yeah, once again, im not from US, i dont have ur background, in all my life in russia i saw only couple black people, and they were tourists or students. so forgive me, but for me all lives do matter, regardless from ethnicity
Let me simplify this for you. You are either acting in bad faith or you are strongly ignorant. If the latter, you shouldn't be acting as if you know what you are talking about. Literally nobody here has said that All Lives DONT Matter and yet you decide to say "BTW all lives matter, not only black." So again, you are either ignorant or racist/acting in bad faith. Your choice, but I suggest shutting up and listening a little more.

BTW, All Lives Don't Matter til Black ones do.
 

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yeah, once again, im not from US, i dont have ur background, in all my life in russia i saw only couple black people, and they were tourists or students. so forgive me, but for me all lives do matter, regardless from ethnicity
Of course all lives matter. The problem is that black lives don’t seem to matter to the police departments and the social justice system in the USA. People of color get brutalized by police officers in a higher scale than white people, even when there’s no real reason to and the aggressors face little to no consequences when they kill innocent black people. On the other hand, white people that do bad stuff like breaking quarantine to go protest because they want to go eat a hamburger and show up with riffles and hand guns get a free pass. That’s why the protest is called Black Lives Matter, to remember the US government that they have to protect people of color too.
 

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No one is saying that all lives don't matter. What they are saying is that for 400 years in our history black people have been treated as if their lives did not matter. You could kill a black person and face no consequences. That was true under slavery, with lynchings in the Jim Crow South and across the country now with the police killing of numerous unarmed black people innocent of any crime.
And im not saying that slavery is good, im just saying my thoughts as a man from outside, and it is kinda unkind to send me to fuck my self because my way of seeng things isnt ur way. After all my grand grandfather was basically a slave during his time in gulag.
And regarding police, and especially the last episode with chocking, this is no doubt terrible.
 

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I don’t think you can grow from not being a racist to a racist. He probably has always been like this.
Nobody is born a racist, so everyone who has racist thoughts has grown into that during their life. So yes, you can grow in into being a racist. It all comes down to the morals and values of the people you grow up with and asociate yourself with. In a way just like people with religious parents are more likely to be religious than people with non-religious parents. It's simply the scene you get exposed to and are familiar with.

That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, and that also doesn't mean you can't change your view afterwards. it's just very hard to get through them, because racism nests really deep into what someone stands for and believes in. Tha's why we need to speak up now that Black Lives Matter. So that everybody who either disagrees or is indifferent about the topic learns by facts that he/she might be wrong. That's the only right way to get through to people. Sadly many people think violence, anger, confrontation and mocking is the way to go, and thats why things are clashing so hard right now.

If you want to change opinions, don't try to make people think you are right. Make them aware why there are wrong. Change starts within themselves. Not the other way around.
 
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but does it really matter why he has guns? it is his right, the right most of us don't have. and as I remember 2nd amendment idea was not only defend ur self, but also to overthrow the government in case it is acting not on behalf of people.
And believe me, this is the right that u should protect. In my country we throw away our constitution, and it gave us nothing good (im from russia)

and wtf? dont u think its a little bit of overreacting? And to me it sounds also racist. Why particularly white, if he was black it wouldnt be a problem for u? Maybe its because im from russia and we don't have any people of color at all, but for me the nationality or skin color isn't and argument. there are good and bad people in every nation, religion, orientation etc.
Cmon guys US have a lot of problems, and many of them are related to guns, but a young boy who is bragging about guns on instagram isnt one of them.

And fiy, i think it is not ok to sell guns to a person without a proper psycho checking

btw. all lives matter, not only black
Racism against black people isn't just an American issue, there are plenty cases of racist-driven attacks on the black population in Russia.

I'm sure Gavin is downplaying the BLM movement with the same rethoric as you.
 

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yeah, once again, im not from US, i dont have ur background, in all my life in russia i saw only couple black people, and they were tourists or students. so forgive me, but for me all lives do matter, regardless from ethnicity

I've been a member here for a while, haven't posted until today, but I do want to say that I understand where you're coming from. I live in Scotland and though there is certainly racism here, when I first heard "Black Lives Matter" it seemed bizarre to me that anyone thought it necessary to use those words in combination. Unfortunately, I have learned from my friends and family in the US that the message is an important one. Why "Black Lives Matter" rather than "All Lives Matter"? The answer is that most people in the US do not need to be reminded that white lives matter, while too many people, and police officers, fail to understand that a black life is every bit as valuable as a white life.

You don't get it because, like me, you haven't experienced the deeply engrained culture of racism in the US. For me, the idea that anyone might think, on a conscious or subconscious level, that one person's life is worth more or less than another because of the colour of their skin is incomprehensible, but this is a reality that black people and their allies from other ethnic groups are battling to overcome. To quote my aunt, a lifelong US citizen, "that all men are created equal is one aspect of the American dream that has yet to be realised".

As for Gavin, I wish that all racists were more like him - it would make them easier to identify and avoid. I'm heartened that he is one of only two people I followed on social media who I've had to unfollow because of their racist posts over the past couple of days.
 

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Or maybe he was always like that but he had to hide it while doing that show. I hope Hayden ain't fucking with him.
it was probably there, lurking under the surface, but he or the people managing him, kept it buried. now- it seems he doesn't care and wants to burn his career to the ground- with this, mission accomplished.
 

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but does it really matter why he has guns? it is his right, the right most of us don't have. and as I remember 2nd amendment idea was not only defend ur self, but also to overthrow the government in case it is acting not on behalf of people.
And believe me, this is the right that u should protect. In my country we throw away our constitution, and it gave us nothing good (im from russia)

and wtf? dont u think its a little bit of overreacting? And to me it sounds also racist. Why particularly white, if he was black it wouldnt be a problem for u? Maybe its because im from russia and we don't have any people of color at all, but for me the nationality or skin color isn't and argument. there are good and bad people in every nation, religion, orientation etc.
Cmon guys US have a lot of problems, and many of them are related to guns, but a young boy who is bragging about guns on instagram isnt one of them.

And fiy, i think it is not ok to sell guns to a person without a proper psycho checking

btw. all lives matter, not only black
“all lives matter, not only black” you’re serious? i’m cackling
 

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Or maybe he was always like that but he had to hide it while doing that show. I hope Hayden ain't fucking with him.
They hadn't spoken with each other in years you don't have to worry about that:joy: I never thought I'd say it was for the best Connor was written off:relieved: