Gay act? No! What's the difference?

[D_Relentless Original]

I love you both!!! :grouphug:








actually, more like :3some:

LOL, i love you talkin' like this hehe.

sorry Op, back on track, my fault.

 

[HiddenLacey]

Actually, I think they changed their policy recently.

Interesting, because the classification has not changed at this time. Like everything else in the red, white in blue... slow as molasses.

 

[HungThickProf]

Wow. This is funny.

I guess the part that confuses me is...If you have someone masturbating to images of children- is that considered an act of pedophilia? If it is- why isn't masturbating to images of a man a gay/bisexual act. If someone can be labeled so simply by because they masturbate to images of children, why can't someone so easily be labeled for masturbating to images of men? Pieter says that this person has a disease and needs help- but in different cultures around the world, the age of consent varies from location to location. In times past, because life expectancy wasn't nearly as high, some girls were married at age 12...

So back to my original point- what's the difference?

 

[Pendlum]

I would say masturbating to men/gay porn is a gay act. Masturbating with a guy is homoerotic if you are watching porn together, and is a gay act if you are just jacking off together, no porn.

 

[bigbull29]

I would say masturbating to men/gay porn is a gay act. Masturbating with a guy is homoerotic if you are watching porn together, and is a gay act if you are just jacking off together, no porn.

One could homoeroticize straight porn as well (gangbangs, big dicks, etc).

DP's and double vag/anal in straight porn are extremely homoerotic, but most male actors and the men who enjoy watching these scenes all claim to be a 100% straight.

And most men don't watch exclusively lesbian porn (contrary to what they tell you).

 

[Pendlum]

I don't watch exclusively lesbian porn, but I do definitely watch lesbian porn. I like some gang bang porn, so long as it isn't degrading to the woman. For me, the thing about 'gang bang' porn that I like is a woman enjoying her sexuality through men. Same with big dick porn, it's easier to project myself into that scenario. I don't like double vag/anal. I can see how that would definitely be homoerotic, which is probably why I don't like it. Still, the best is almost always amateur porn. It is hands down my favorite.

 

[petite]

Homosexuality is still considered a psych disorder by the AMA, well actually more the APA...

Interesting, because the classification has not changed at this time. Like everything else in the red, white in blue... slow as molasses.

I don't understand how they can classify it as a disorder when it was removed from the DSM-II in 1973.

 

[curioustitan]

Wow. This is funny.

I guess the part that confuses me is...If you have someone masturbating to images of children- is that considered an act of pedophilia? If it is- why isn't masturbating to images of a man a gay/bisexual act. If someone can be labeled so simply by because they masturbate to images of children, why can't someone so easily be labeled for masturbating to images of men? Pieter says that this person has a disease and needs help- but in different cultures around the world, the age of consent varies from location to location. In times past, because life expectancy wasn't nearly as high, some girls were married at age 12...

So back to my original point- what's the difference?

As to the age differences of varying countries, well i guess we'd have to abide by the different rulings. Possession of pornographic materials involving minors in your country is illegal as far as i'm aware so unfortunately your neighbour is in contravention of the law.
With regards to the gay/homoerotic/jacking off questions... well i suppose the crux here really is are they fantasizing about this other male present or other males elsewhere.... or are they closing their eyes and dreaming of fucking the females leads in Wild Things?? i guess it really pertains to what it is that is currently turning them on. People might not like labels and yes certain labels are unfair and bandied about in a discriminatory fashion but homoerotic/homosexual in this case?? Certainly not....
As to your neighbour again..... if i had to choose between the lesser of two evils, i guess i'd rather have him getting off to kiddy porn than to getting off to kiddies.....As to your dillemma with regards reporting him... tough one. If you honestly feel bad for him, then speak to him plainly and tell him he needs to seek professional help and force him to do so under duress of reporting him if he fails. It might seem shitty, but you may just be saving the innocence of future potential victims should he not be able to curtail his tendencies.....

"i love sam_solo26" and am grateful he is no longer a kiddy.....coz i'd definitely be guilty of Paedophillia with my masturbatory tendencies.....

 

[HungThickProf]

What in gay hell is everyone talking about? I don't have a child-molesting neighbor. It was all hypothetical. People really don't pay attention to what they read. It was all an example. I'm not speaking to anyone about masturbating with children. Ew.

 

[curioustitan]

my bad.

"i love sam_solo26" and am still grateful he's not a minor in the over imaginative mind of Dr. Dante

 

[curioustitan]

In my defense.... it is 2:50 A.M where i am.... my brain is atrophying as i type.....

 

[curioustitan]

to further my defense... i'm skipping between numerous threads and trying to keep up with those scrabble and word association fuckers... as well as P.M'ing a really hot member of LPSG....whilst trying to price online tickets to Ireland to hook up with said member....give me a break....i don't have a vagina....i cannot multitask!!!!

 

[Triasco]

My internet was being a bitch, so I apologize if this comes a little late to the argument.


To be quite honest I really don't find myself attracted to genders. I am attracted to (and fascinated by) personalities. Even in the materials I watch/read and my own fantasies, it is not the sexual act, per se, but the sexual personalities of the individuals involved that arouses me. Although many people claim to be attracted to a single gender, we can not rule out the possibility of exceptions. Heterosexual males may indulge in a few homosexual acts and still identify themselves as mostly heterosexual, and vice versa, simply because they were attracted to the individual, not the entirety of a sex. While it does happen, I consider it exceedingly rare for a person to be completely hetero- or homosexual, as in they haven't ever and will never be sexually attracted to the opposite gender.


Having gotten in my two cents on that issue, there is something I've come to notice about the argument for "jerking off with another guy is gay". In just about every post arguing that masturbation in the presence of another male is a homosexual occurrence, an assumption is made: The interest of the males involved is focused on one another. The problem with DrDante's pedophilia example is that the immediate expression of pedophilic interest, which leads many to assume that the two hypothetical males have homosexual interest in each other from the beginning. This is not an assumption that can be correctly made, as there is no way to confirm that without asking, and receiving the honest answer of, the two men involved in the act. Discoboy states "Waking in a room with other men is: a) erotic; and b) involving people of the same gender, which means it's c) homoerotic." Again, I disagree because it makes the assumption that the men involved are interested in the men masturbating in the immediate vicinity, rather than a type of porn they may be watching (if this is a straight act, there must be porn).


Being able to expose one's self in such a way is a symbol of very close friendship between people, regardless of gender, and is not necessarily homosexuality. However, even after typing out entire text walls of argument (my fingers are cramping), we still must asking ourselves: Does it really matter whether it's homosexual or not? Although I have been advocating the validity of this being a heterosexual act, I must ultimately align myself with those people here asking why the act MUST have a label. Why must any act have a label? Why must we ourselves have a label?

 

[HungThickProf]

My internet was being a bitch, so I apologize if this comes a little late to the argument.


To be quite honest I really don't find myself attracted to genders. I am attracted to (and fascinated by) personalities. Even in the materials I watch/read and my own fantasies, it is not the sexual act, per se, but the sexual personalities of the individuals involved that arouses me. Although many people claim to be attracted to a single gender, we can not rule out the possibility of exceptions. Heterosexual males may indulge in a few homosexual acts and still identify themselves as mostly heterosexual, and vice versa, simply because they were attracted to the individual, not the entirety of a sex. While it does happen, I consider it exceedingly rare for a person to be completely hetero- or homosexual, as in they haven't ever and will never be sexually attracted to the opposite gender.


Having gotten in my two cents on that issue, there is something I've come to notice about the argument for "jerking off with another guy is gay". In just about every post arguing that masturbation in the presence of another male is a homosexual occurrence, an assumption is made: The interest of the males involved is focused on one another. The problem with DrDante's pedophilia example is that the immediate expression of pedophilic interest, which leads many to assume that the two hypothetical males have homosexual interest in each other from the beginning. This is not an assumption that can be correctly made, as there is no way to confirm that without asking, and receiving the honest answer of, the two men involved in the act. Discoboy states "Waking in a room with other men is: a) erotic; and b) involving people of the same gender, which means it's c) homoerotic." Again, I disagree because it makes the assumption that the men involved are interested in the men masturbating in the immediate vicinity, rather than a type of porn they may be watching (if this is a straight act, there must be porn).


Being able to expose one's self in such a way is a symbol of very close friendship between people, regardless of gender, and is not necessarily homosexuality. However, even after typing out entire text walls of argument (my fingers are cramping), we still must asking ourselves: Does it really matter whether it's homosexual or not? Although I have been advocating the validity of this being a heterosexual act, I must ultimately align myself with those people here asking why the act MUST have a label. Why must any act have a label? Why must we ourselves have a label?

Pardon me, but what the hell are you talking about?

 

[HungThickProf]

I now understand how these threads get spun into some parallel universe- people take a topic and talk it into spirals until it eventually leads no where. Jeez.

 

[Triasco]

Pardon me, but what the hell are you talking about?

I thought I had made myself exceedingly clear. I apologize if I did not, as I can a bit of a rambler at times. To put it in a nutshell, we cannot say that two males masturbating together is a homosexual act without knowing whether the erotic interest is placed with the other males in the immediate vicinity or with some form of straight porn being watched/read/etc..

 

[HungThickProf]

I thought I had made myself exceedingly clear. I apologize if I did not, as I can a bit of a rambler at times. To put it in a nutshell, we cannot say that two males masturbating together is a homosexual act without knowing whether the erotic interest is placed with the other males in the immediate vicinity or with some form of straight porn being watched/read/etc..

Did you not see the part where I said "To or with"? So if you have two guys sitting in front of one another jerking off watching one another, or a guy jerking off to nude pictures of men or videos of guys jerking off and posing. Does that help anything?

 

[DiscoBoy]

Gay men claim the opposite because, well, if you're getting off to a dude jerking off...



Wanking in a room with other men is: a) erotic; and b) involving people of the same gender, which means it's c) homoerotic.

To be quite honest I really don't find myself attracted to genders. I am attracted to (and fascinated by) personalities.

What you describe is pansexuality, and is in itself, a sexual "orientation", if you will. Not everybody is like that.

Having gotten in my two cents on that issue, there is something I've come to notice about the argument for "jerking off with another guy is gay". In just about every post arguing that masturbation in the presence of another male is a homosexual occurrence, an assumption is made: The interest of the males involved is focused on one another.

If no sexual interest in the involved members, then why group up at all?

If men actively preconceive wanking off with other men, then I believe there to be, undoubtedly, some sexual interest in the same gender. If wanking off with another dude gets you off, then the act is homoerotic. That doesn't make a person gay, though.

The problem with DrDante's pedophilia example is that the immediate expression of pedophilic interest, which leads many to assume that the two hypothetical males have homosexual interest in each other from the beginning. This is not an assumption that can be correctly made, as there is no way to confirm that without asking, and receiving the honest answer of, the two men involved in the act.

Again, why wank off with other men if there's no sexual interest? It just doesn't make sense.

Discoboy states "Waking in a room with other men is: a) erotic; and b) involving people of the same gender, which means it's c) homoerotic." Again, I disagree because it makes the assumption that the men involved are interested in the men masturbating in the immediate vicinity, rather than a type of porn they may be watching (if this is a straight act, there must be porn).

How does porn make the act a straight act? If two men are wanking off together in a room, focusing exclusively on a porno, entirely ignoring each other, then they might as well be, for all intents and purposes, in separate rooms. If, however, having that male there wanking with them adds some "sexual flavour", then there is a sexual interest, no matter how minimal.

Being able to expose one's self in such a way is a symbol of very close friendship between people, regardless of gender, and is not necessarily homosexuality. Does it really matter whether it's homosexual or not? Although I have been advocating the validity of this being a heterosexual act, I must ultimately align myself with those people here asking why the act MUST have a label. Why must any act have a label? Why must we ourselves have a label?

I think labels are important in our current existence because it helps us to knock down social stigma when it comes to homosexuality. Once people can accept the fact that the acts they perform aren't necessarily in tandem with the orientation they self-identify as, then we can live without labels. Until then, calling things out for what they are, ultimately, is what's gonna bring us to complete sexual freedom.

A man who enjoys sex with men, yet identifies as straight, has given himself a label. Labeling him as something else, is just another label.

 

[D_Woody Wilson]

I don't believe that it would be treated as pedophilia, however, the possession of images of children is child porn (unless all are of verified age) and is clearly illegal.

As to whether or not one is gay by masturbating together.. hmmm, in High School we called them circle jerks and not many of them were gay.. there were a few of us..(we knew the gay ones from outside the cj) but the majority of the guys were self identified as str8.. I prefer to think of it as a sexual diversion.. something they don't do often.. perhaps the MSG that adds a zing to ones day..

 

[Triasco]

Ah, I'm sorry. I missed the "to" in "to or with", DrDante. ^_^ Well, yes, that is a homosexual act, but I still believe that simply masturbating "with" a male in the immediate vicinity can be defined sorely as such, because, again, it depends on where sexual interest lies, and "with" does not imply where said interest lies.

DiscoBoy, you claim that masturbating with a male one has no sexual interest in doesn't make any sense. I disagree; it makes sense to me and to the many man (who are interested in each other) who do it. The fact that it does not make sense to you (that is to say, you can't see the reason for doing it) doesn't mean that other people can't. That is the very problem with things "making sense". What makes sense to you may not make sense to me, but it may be difficult to explain why.

Granted, your argument about latent sexual interest is a valid point, but I do not believe that can be the only reason for doing it. And, as I said, the porn present implies that the interest is not in sexual gratification because of proximity to another male masturbating, but sexual gratification in masturbating to porn and emotional gratification to masturbating with a friend.

Also, I understand that not everyone feels precisely as I feel, but I believe that very few people can say honestly that they have never and will never be sexually attracted to the same gender. As such, people are attracted to personality, or perhaps something, to some degree if they identify themselves as heterosexual but have engaged in homosexual acts.

I have to say that I agree with your assessment of labels. I'd never thought of the sexual label in such a way before, and it is certainly an interesting viewpoint.