Max totally gets it... A+, Max.
Wow. I misunderstood. No one puts Dante in a corner. If you respect his questions as being well meaning, he puts you in a corner.
Gee whiz. Do I now totally get it?
Max totally gets it... A+, Max.
He wasn't aware of what was going on, however. You weren't wanking with him, you were wanking apart from him. And what you were wanking to was most certainly homoerotic.:wink::tongue:He was describing a Saturday night skinny-dip the four of them had. I asked a line of questions that essentially led him to describing my buddy's dick (I'd never seen him naked)...and unbeknownst to my bunk-mate, I was wanking off to the visuals he was giving me (was Tom bigger than Joe? was he thicker than Tony? etc). I remember it was damned good wank too...I slept very well that night. So there you have two guys, one wanking...but I was not in the least interested in my roomie or his eroticism, nor even exhibitionism or voyeurism. Instead I was interacting with another guy and focusing on my own personal agenda of learning about by best buddy's cock. It definitely matched Dante's original question "how is a man masturbating with or to another man not a gay/bisexual act?" but we were not into each other in the least.
He wasn't aware of what was going on, however. You weren't wanking with him, you were wanking apart from him. And what you were wanking to was most certainly homoerotic.:wink::tongue:
Wow. I misunderstood. No one puts Dante in a corner. If you respect his questions as being well meaning, he puts you in a corner.
Gee whiz. Do I now totally get it?
There's still an erotic aspect to that.True...but two guys side-by-side focused on a video of porn and not checking each other out would fall into the same category. If the porn included a guy fucking a woman...is that so gay? :tongue:
Understatement.:wink:And what I wank to is most certainly bizarre.
True...but two guys side-by-side focused on a video of porn and not checking each other out would fall into the same category. If the porn included a guy fucking a woman...is that so gay? :tongue:
And what I wank to is most certainly bizarre.
I think you misunderstood me- two guys jerking off side by side to a video- GO NUTS! Call it what you will. But if you have two guys watching each other jerk off and that's their focus. Yep. Gay. And that's the point that I was making with the original post... Take the Porn out of the equation... There's no porn involved... Like the example with the pedophile- no porn whatsoever. Once the idea of porn is removed...what do you have then?
You are making up a whole new situation now, because in your original post you said this about someone that caught a pedophile: "you see him masturbating to images"
Those images are porn isn't it. A wrong kind of porn, but it's still porn.
So people assuming here that two or more guys can have a wank together watching a porn isn't homoerotic or gay, just a wank is a good reasoning.
Look if you want to imagine two guys coming together to enjoy each other's company, jerking each other off or watching at each other, well yes, that is homoerotic, not always gay, because I believe being gay means more than having a sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. I always thought being gay/bi/heterosexual meant also having feelings for each other, loving each other.
But guys watching porn together isn't.
People say sexuality is fluid.
With me it`s quite simple- straight/gay/bi.
And yes, in my opinion wanking together is quite gay.
I can`t imagine sitting and wanking next to a girl friend masturbating.
Wanking over a guy, or directly wanking a guy is in my opinion bisexual/homoerotic. Wanking with a buddy, but not touching, is borderline.You don't really answer my question about the neighbor... would the neighbor be guilt of committing an act of pedophilia?
Okay, let me paint this picture for you clearly...
You can have a MAN jerking off to images of a man- ALONE, or a man jerking of with another man- no porn. Gay act? yay or nay?
A man jerking off to images of children- ALONE, or a man jerking of with a child- no porn. Act of pedophilia? yay or nay?
How is calling it "just a wank" good reasoning? You're looking at it from the most superficial of perspectives, totally disregarding the sexual undertones.So people assuming here that two or more guys can have a wank together watching a porn isn't homoerotic or gay, just a wank is a good reasoning.
Again, we're speaking of the act, not the individuals involved. The act is inherently homoerotic because it involves eroticism and same-sex participants.Look if you want to imagine two guys coming together to enjoy each other's company, jerking each other off or watching at each other, well yes, that is homoerotic, not always gay, because I believe being gay means more than having a sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. I always thought being gay/bi/heterosexual meant also having feelings for each other, loving each other.
But guys watching porn together isn't.
Dante,
While recognizing the total "run around the bush" bs that some have thrown out , I believe that some of the problems folks are having, is the way some of the answers are "typed out".
We all know that there are sometimes different interpretations of the same statement. I'll pick on luka because, well, just because I haven't in a long time :tongue:
Depending on which way I read it, I either agree or disagree with the bolded statement. Let's throw in some more detailed wording...
And yes, in my opinion the act of wanking together is quite gay.
Totally agree. The act in itself is 2 people of the same sex, engaging in an act, involving their sexual organs.
And yes, in my opinion the guys that are wanking together are quite gay.
Totally Disagree. The participants are not necesarily gay. The rest of their life and or sexual encounters may very well be limited to the opposite sex only. If we are using labels, it does however make them bisexual, as they are open to engaging in a gay activity.
And in all honesty, I think that makes them totally normal with a healthy outlook and attitude. But that's a whole nuther subject, that can be thread all on it's own
It is legally pedophilia, men are carted away all the time and put in jail even when it's just the images/pics in their computer (Gary Glitter ring a bell?)I have a question for you... If you needed to borrow a cup of sugar from your friendly next door neighbor- you knocked and the door just opened. You can clearly hear sounds coming from the living room. You walk into the living room, and you see him masturbating to images or with someone who is not of legal age. You of course panic, and he yells to you "it's okay- I don't touch, I just look!" Is your neighbor guilty of performing act of pedophilia? And if you believe so- how is a man masturbating with or to another man not a gay/bisexual act?
I look forward to hearing your views.
And you can pick on Luka any time! :biggrin1:I'll pick on luka because, well, just because I haven't in a long time :tongue:
Depending on which way I read it, I either agree or disagree with the bolded statement. Let's throw in some more detailed wording...
And yes, in my opinion the act of wanking together is quite gay.
Totally agree. The act in itself is 2 people of the same sex, engaging in an act, involving their sexual organs.
Agreed 100%
And yes, in my opinion the guys that are wanking together are quite gay.
Totally Disagree. The participants are not necesarily gay. The rest of their life and or sexual encounters may very well be limited to the opposite sex only. If we are using labels, it does however make them bisexual, as they are open to engaging in a gay activity.
And in all honesty, I think that makes them totally normal with a healthy outlook and attitude. But that's a whole nuther subject, that can be thread all on it's own
Call it gay or bi, it isn`t straight.
{snip}So people assuming here that two or more guys can have a wank together watching a porn isn't homoerotic or gay, just a wank is a good reasoning.
Look if you want to imagine two guys coming together to enjoy each other's company, jerking each other off or watching at each other, well yes, that is homoerotic, not always gay,
Disagree with the above. The act of multiple (2 or more) people of the same gender, involved in sexual activity together (masturbating in the same room) is gay.
because I believe being gay means more than having a sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. I always thought being gay/bi/heterosexual meant also having feelings for each other, loving each other.
Agree with the above. Just because a person engages in a same sex, sexual act, does not necessarily mean that they themselves are gay.
But guys watching porn together isn't. Too broad of a statement to be able to address :wink:
Wanking over a guy, or directly wanking a guy is in my opinion bisexual/homoerotic. Wanking with a buddy, but not touching, is borderline.
Wanking over pics of minors would be considered an act of paedophilia imo (just as wanking over a pic of a guy is bi/gay).
But that's not to say being gay or a paedophile is in any way synonymous - it isn't.
How is calling it "just a wank" good reasoning? You're looking at it from the most superficial of perspectives, totally disregarding the sexual undertones.
Again, we're speaking of the act, not the individuals involved. The act is inherently homoerotic because it involves eroticism and same-sex participants.