Gay act? No! What's the difference?

[798686]

Wow!! this is a dizzy thread, so many topics i have lost the trail.

Same. Shall we leave em to it? :tongue:

 

[HungThickProf]

You do realise you wouldn't be here on earth then...

Okay?

 

[D_Harry_Crax]

And yes, in my opinion wanking together is quite gay.

Psssst, don't tell any straight guys that. Then you'll ruin everyone's fun!

 

[hctib1]

Wow! This thread has become totally out of control! Here's my question : why r men so uptight about being seen as even the slightest bit gay when they say they're str8? but women don't seem to get labeled the same way when the shoe is on their foot -- nor do they seem to care if they do, much less get into battles over it! Why do str8 men take it to the extreme to prove they don't have a bi/gay bone in their body? I mean, wouldn't it be better to be able to have the best of both worlds?

 

[wallaboi]

Is it possible to ask a simple question in a more long winded, convoluted, rambling manner? I am impressed that many posters have managed to turn these illconceived analogies into a kind of interesting thread.

So I had this discussion with a friend of mine today to get his thoughts on the matter, and he really couldn't give me an answer- it was just too hard for him.

This morning while I was making breakfast, I was thinking about all of the different people I've met on this site; them being married, single, parents, or not. What they enjoy, and what they seek in sexual partners. What I enjoy and what I seek in sexual partners. When you look through the "Relationships, Discrimination, and Jealousy" forum, you see a lot of threads devoted to homosexuality, bisexuality, and whether someone is or isn't...I'm hoping that this thread doesn't turn out to be the same way, but it just may. I'm looking forward to the opinions.

So while I was making breakfast, I thought of a debate that's been had before- "is masturbating to or with another guy a gay/bisexual act?" I know my answer on the matter, but for this, it doesn't matter. If you believe that it's not a gay/bisexual act, I have a question for you... If you needed to borrow a cup of sugar from your friendly next door neighbor- you knocked and the door just opened. You can clearly hear sounds coming from the living room. You walk into the living room, and you see him masturbating to images or with someone who is not of legal age. You of course panic, and he yells to you "it's okay- I don't touch, I just look!" Is your neighbor guilty of performing act of pedophilia? And if you believe so- how is a man masturbating with or to another man not a gay/bisexual act?

I look forward to hearing your views.

Depending on cultural context and individual perspective the acts may be gay, homoerotic, straight or bi.

Pardon me, but what the hell are you talking about?

Makes more sense than your dumb question.

Max totally gets it... A+, Max.

And to CountryGuy63, Disco, and that really sweet, handsome mod(Industrialsized) who answered way earlier in the thread- bravo to you all

No matter how you see it, a sexual act is a sexual act. A truly 100% heterosexual male would not go to a male strip bar and get a lap-dance from a 19 year old bodybuilder studying to civil engineer, named Matt. It's just not happening. Why? Because he likes tits and pussy, so he's going to carry ass to the place where sweet little Amber just graduated high school got a boob job a few months ago, and can pick up a dollar with her labia.

... OMFG did you eat that cup of sugar all in one go? I think your paedophile neighbour might have put some acid in it!

What the hell are you talking about?

If you paid attention to anything, you'd see that Max and a few others did something that the rest didn't. They didn't take my simple, straight-forward original post and try to spin with dumb ass replies that would probably get you B- if you were bullshitting a paper in college because you used a few words you learned from your SAT prep course. "Jacking off to a child is wrong, but two guys jerking off to one another is not gay, they're just sharing an intimate moment." Give me a fucking break.

I swear to God- I don't understand how a lot of people on this site make it through life. Living in glass houses, with transparent furniture. Hell, some of these people might as well be glass- you can see through them too. Living with all of the lies, and deceit- and yet they're typically the first to scream that they want something meaningful. " A friend of mine knows that I have a big dick, and she wants me to donate my sperm- hoping that she'll have a son who's hung too!" What the fuck? I don't know what bothers me more- the fact that someone actually posted that as a thread and wanted to know what they should do about it? Or the fact that someone actually had that happen to them? No, I know the answer- the fact that that someone actually posted that as a question and was seeking advice. That's just fucking stupid.

Please pardon me- I spun off from my original idea, but I felt that your puerile statement gave me a bit of breathing/venting room.

My original post was a simple question . It really didn't even require a detail answer, if you look at it again. Whether pedophilia is legal or not, pedophilia is still pedophilia. It may be illegal for a man to walk down the street naked in your country, and it may be legal for the same man to walk down the street naked in another- IT'S STILL A MAN WALKING DOWN THE STREET NAKED! I mean, this world of delusions and big dicks and unicorns that some of you live in- tell me, are there roller coasters and rides? Do you have season tickets or just an all day pass?

Some of you lie on a website where you can be anonymous because you fear the truth and what's real. Because you just can't see things what they truly are- and yet you try to offer advice and influence the lives of others on here. Which leads me to my next question- if you can't even be real with yourself and the ones you love, who are you to try to influence the life of someone else? What exactly do you know of truth?

Well, I guess I spun off once again. Oh well, I feel better. Thanks for posting everyone

I think I got it now...this thread is a wind up isn't it? Or maybe just a way to make you feel better and display your perceived intellectual superiority ... F

Not to be rude, but are you fucking retarded? Why can't they be compared on the same level? Because you suck dick that's okay, but someone taking advantage of a child(which is fucked up) is just wrong and there's no comparison. It's still fucking wrong- but if someone masturbates to children- you're quick to label them as pedophile, but if someone masturbates to guys- "Oh, they're not necessarily gay or bi- I don't understand why people have to put labels on things." Get real and get bent. Douchebag.

Nuff said...douchebag.

 

[Chase1600]

The fluidity of sexual preference used by members of this site and others is perhaps the issue which causes some confusion and possibly anger from some of the subscribers. I doesn't matter to me whether someone is heterosexual, bisexual or gay that is their own, individual sexuality but I am perplexed when I see someone registered on a Large Penis website, drooling over another mans penis (sometimes stating what they would like to do with it) and claiming to be 100% straight. For me its not about what someone is (sexually) it's about honesty and not being afraid of admitting that there is an element of bisexuality in their personality. We have probably all met someone who only has sex with men but claims to be bisexual as he feels that is more acceptable than admiting he is actually gay.

The fluidity could be an honesty issue. Sometimes it is. But we may be observing a slice of reality for which labels are at a loss.

When people express how they feel about intimate behavior and emotional reactions lots of things are taking place. They might be lying; more likely dissembling. They may be at a loss for correct words. But don’t rule out their telling it just as it is for them.

I understand that we may think that a married guy who goes to a arcade to get strange men to blow him is not 100% straight. But if he thinks he is – not if he thinks he’s lying – he really believes he’s a straight man letting fags service him, then why not entertain the possibility that he’s what he says he is as much a part of the spectrum of human sexuality as anyone.

His experience is not the same as a closeted married man in the adjacent booth who knows he’s gay and is sneaking out to enjoy sex the way he really likes it.

The two men are engaging in the same behavior.

The dynamic of their behavior is different and based on my observations of posts in this forum, I think we get to witness some reality in all its amazing variations.

 

[HungThickProf]

Is it possible to ask a simple question in a more long winded, convoluted, rambling manner? I am impressed that many posters have managed to turn these illconceived analogies into a kind of interesting thread.



Depending on cultural context and individual perspective the acts may be gay, homoerotic, straight or bi.



Makes more sense than your dumb question.

... OMFG did you eat that cup of sugar all in one go? I think your paedophile neighbour might have put some acid in it!



I think I got it now...this thread is a wind up isn't it? Or maybe just a way to make you feel better and display your perceived intellectual superiority ... F



Nuff said...douchebag.

This post has been edited because what I posted before wasn't appropriate. Your opinions are your own. Thanks for posting...

 

[luvmycock]

So I had this discussion with a friend of mine today to get his thoughts on the matter, and he really couldn't give me an answer- it was just too hard for him.

This morning while I was making breakfast, I was thinking about all of the different people I've met on this site; them being married, single, parents, or not. What they enjoy, and what they seek in sexual partners. What I enjoy and what I seek in sexual partners. When you look through the "Relationships, Discrimination, and Jealousy" forum, you see a lot of threads devoted to homosexuality, bisexuality, and whether someone is or isn't...I'm hoping that this thread doesn't turn out to be the same way, but it just may. I'm looking forward to the opinions.

So while I was making breakfast, I thought of a debate that's been had before- "is masturbating to or with another guy a gay/bisexual act?" I know my answer on the matter, but for this, it doesn't matter. If you believe that it's not a gay/bisexual act, I have a question for you... If you needed to borrow a cup of sugar from your friendly next door neighbor- you knocked and the door just opened. You can clearly hear sounds coming from the living room. You walk into the living room, and you see him masturbating to images or with someone who is not of legal age. You of course panic, and he yells to you "it's okay- I don't touch, I just look!" Is your neighbor guilty of performing act of pedophilia? And if you believe so- how is a man masturbating with or to another man not a gay/bisexual act?

I look forward to hearing your views.

YES I would report him because messing with children is outrageous! Even if he does not touch, he is engaging a minor in an act that is not suitable for one of that age. Now if the minor is messing around with someone of the same age then thats different, it may not be right but at least they are the same age and not some full grown adult seducing a child.

Now to the question about two buddies masturbating together or each other, I feel that can be summed up to exploration. People are forever changing their likes and dislikes, etc. So it can't be generalized as just a gay/bisexual act. I think it is people figuring out what they like or may be do not like.

Thats my take on it.

 

[Tau]

You jerking it to guys = some kind of homosexual interest/bisexuality etc
You jerking it to children = pervert who should die.

Not touching doesn't mean a thing.

 

[maxcok]

Ah, what a cwazy web we weave when we twist and spin and suspend all logic.

Max totally gets it... A+, Max.

Thanks, Dr D. I'm so proud that I not only survived your trap, but I passed with flying colors. :smile:

I really should move on now, but I just can't resist this one:

Depending on cultural context and individual perspective the acts may be gay, homoerotic,
straight or bi.

Please explain in what context two or more guys masturbating together could possibly be considered 'straight'. And please, no extraordinary absurd circumstances or parallel universes.


p.s. Could people please get it through their mushy brains that the pedophilic example is JUST AN ANALOGY,
......and any discussion of the morality or legality is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION! THANK YOU.

 

[wallaboi]

Ah, what a cwazy web we weave when we twist and spin and suspend all logic.

Thanks, Dr D. I'm so proud that I not only survived your trap, but I passed with flying colors. :smile:

I really should move on now, but I just can't resist this one:

Please explain in what context two or more guys masturbating together could possibly be considered 'straight'. And please, no extraordinary absurd circumstances or parallel universes.


p.s. Could people please get it through their mushy brains that the pedophilic example is JUST AN ANALOGY,
......and any discussion of the morality or legality is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION! THANK YOU.

Two or more horny straight guys watching straight porn having a wank.

 

[maxcok]

Two or more horny straight guys watching straight porn having a wank.

Oh yeah, tooootally straight.

Ah, what a cwazy web we weave when we twist and spin and suspend all logic.

 

[wallaboi]

Oh yeah, tooootally straight.

You can't conceive this possibility??? If so your experience and imagination is stunted.

I think your own sexuality is influencing your perception.

 

[maxcok]

You can't conceive this possibility???

Of course. You just havent proven how it's a strictly "straight" experience and devoid of homoerotic overtones.

Try again.

If so your experience and imagination is stunted.

I think your own sexuality is influencing your perception.

Please do tell me all about my experience, my sexuality and my stunted imagination. LOL.

 

[wallaboi]

Of course. You just havent proven how it's a strictly "straight" experience and devoid of homoerotic overtones.

Try again.


Please do tell me all about my experience, my sexuality and my stunted imagination. LOL.

This is not statistical research. I haven't tried to prove anything. I just said that it is conceivable that two or more straight guys can jerk off at the same time in the same room without there being a concious sexual connection or even homoeroticism.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be derogatory about you in any way. I have read many of your posts and have always found them to be well thought out, fair and logical...I think that i was reacting to your haha! emoticon

 

[HungThickProf]

Of course. You just havent proven how it's a strictly "straight" experience and devoid of homoerotic overtones.

Try again.


Please do tell me all about my experience, my sexuality and my stunted imagination. LOL.

He's a character. Not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer...

 

[HungThickProf]

This is not statistical research. I haven't tried to prove anything. I just said that it is conceivable that two or more straight guys can jerk off at the same time in the same room without there being a concious sexual connection or even homoeroticism.

Well that's a bit much- you stated that my original post was long-winded, and that I rambled- which I will admit- I gave a lot of information. However, you didn't even grasp what I was asking at all. It had nothing to do with two guys masturbating to a porn- it was about someone getting off to someone of the same gender. And the comparison to pedophilia- if you can say that someone getting off to images of a child is performing an act of pedophilia, why can't you say that someone masturbating to the image of another man a gay act?

You insulted me, and yet you never answered that or even tried to understand it. Two guys jerking off in the same room to a porn- who cares? Has nothing to do with what I was asking. Two guys watching each other jerking off- different story.

 

[maxcok]

This is not statistical research. I haven't tried to prove anything. I just said that it is conceivable that two or more straight guys can jerk off at the same time in the same room without there being a concious sexual connection or even homoeroticism.

No, what you said was this:

Depending on cultural context and individual perspective the acts may be gay, homoerotic,
straight or bi.

So please explain how this scenario, where two guys are jacking off together and at the very least conscious of each other being horned up, jacking off, and spewing cum on themselves, is specifically a straight experience, devoid of homoerotic overtones.

Bonus round: Please explain how an adult and a 12 year old boy jacking off in a room together is not sexual abuse of a minor, or at the very least carries pedophilic overtones.

Nobody asked for statistics, so you can drop that deflection. And hey, you volunteered for this mission, bebe, so don't complain to me if you can't complete it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be derogatory about you in any way. I have read many of your posts and have always found them to be well thought out, fair and logical...I think that i was reacting to your haha! emoticon

No worries. I couldn't give half a crap what you think about me. No offense.

Howevah, if you read thoughtfulness, fairness and logic in my posts, you might reflect on that. :wink:

 

[maxcok]

You insulted me, and yet you never answered that or even tried to understand it. Two guys jerking off in the same room to a porn- who cares? Has nothing to do with what I was asking. Two guys watching each other jerking off- different story.

Sooo . . . . as long as they each pretend the other guy isn't there and don't look at his dick or even sneak a peek (or at least pretend not to look), don't hear him whacking, don't even think about him whacking, and don't smell his cum, they're totally safe calling it a 100% straight male "bonding" experience? :wink:

 

[macquest90]

two guys masturbating together in a room is not gay just homoerotic...to guys jerking each other is bi-gay....to guys sucking is gay and beyond..so if you and your friend jerk together it means nothing hell you can even stretch as far as your dicks touching.. but the minute you give him a handjob its gay or bi and sucking is completely gay...