OK, over the last few years I've made the acquittance of a female friend who's gay. She's become a very good friend of mine and on occasion, her, her misses and I go out drinking. A couple of times now we've gone to a gay bar in town. I've never felt so straight in my life! Obviously I can't comment on all gay bars as I've only ever been to one but holy shit, if ever you wanted to see a collection of the worst stereotypes of gay men, we found the jack pot. I'm in two minds on this. One, I know it's thanks to airy-fairy, flamboyant queens we less obvious gay men own a debt of gratitude. Without their 'Pride', endurance and acceptance of themselves and their social overtness, gay men would all be in the dark days of society having no tolerance to homosexuality. Two, conversely, there wasn't a strong wrist in the place, not a pint glass in sight, more lisps than I've ever heard and what the fuck is up with men in there sixties dressing up like Sarah Jessica Parker? Where's the line between being gay and a fairy princess? These were the only reference to gay men I saw growing up as a child and frankly, I can not identify with any of it. Is it possible to be gay and homophobic? Again I'm in two minds. One, good for them, they accept themselves and are comfortable in their skin enough to be who they please and accept all those they meet for just the same. Two, conversely, no wonder the straight male world takes offense and can be so disgusted with gay men. It's deeply confusing for anyone still wrestling and understanding their own sexual identity. I was pleased to see gay folk of all ages openly in one bar, drinking, having a laugh and living life freely. But I also realised, I am just not that kinda gay guy, they are as attractive as, well, as women. :biggrin1: No one really explains to you that there's a spectrum of gay men from the uber fag to the virtually straight. I wish I had know this as a younger guy. Perhaps it's just something you live into and learn the long way round. Ho hum. So gay bars... your thought and experiences?