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If you make too many exceptions to the rules then you get people questioning why there should be any to begin with. It eventually leads down the path to chaos.
Gay conversion therapy
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I see this is not the first time you've raised this topic in Ask a Gay Man, then stood back and watched but not participated. The last one was
Do mentally healthy gay men want to turn straight men?
Discussion in 'Ask a Gay Man' started by Thikn2velvet1, Nov 11, 2013.
There you said: "I have no interest in under age young girls, zero, and that has been my stance for gays. But based on the number of threads where gay men are asking about straight guys, I am getting uneasy with my stance. What is the truth?"
You clearly have a problem with gays but are too passive-aggressive to quite come out with it.
You can think what you want. Here is an example if the exasperation of other straight pisters with these endless questions:
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lol, actually it was just an honest question really? No need to get defensive! a polite no would've sufficed
No,learn what it means to be straight!Accept that we as straight males want nothing to do with another male sexualy!And for fuck sake stop asking....It's NO get it?!!!!
#5Aug 13, 2016
My perception based on my deep conversations with gay and lesbians is 100% gay is fixed. 100% gay means I won't have sex with a woman, the thought is repulsive and you can't even pay me, torture me, jail me, change my hormones, nothing will compel me to betray my sexuality.
That is my belief. My instincts tell me a truly healthy gay man wants sex only with other gay men. Some of the questions seen in the straight forum are dusturbing to my beliefs.
Am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong. You are wrong in your previous post to suggest some connection between gay men's interest in straight men to interest in underage sex. You are wrong in this post to suggest an equivalence between gay men's interest in straight men and gay conversion therapy. Your language - 'betray my sexuality', 'disturbing', 'healthy gay' - gives you away. I've explained why you are wrong already in an earlier post. Why don't you respond to that?
Sexuality has no place in the public square, except for laws encasing it as a strictly private matter. Of course, rape, incest and child molestation are illegal. But that's something different.
End of story.
End of story.
You are in a dick pic sharing website, you can't possibly be completely oblivious about why does gay guys doubt at a "100% straight" status, can you?
Answering your question which i missed before.
IMO under no circumstance would a 100% lesbian woman sleep with a man. And I get the harmless curiousity a gay man might gave about hetero sexual sex, particularly from a male perspective.
But there is on the straight site questions from gay men and the questions are asked in a bunch of disguised ways that say straight men really arent straight and if presented a gay opportunity right we can turn you.
IMO the flipside to this is Mike Pence saying if we show you gays enough pussy we can get you back.
You think i am wrong and have a nefarious agenda. Ok
I won' t bother with this anymore.
I can understand it's exasperating for 100% straight men to be constantly quizzed about their sexuality. I'm not one who says all straight men can be 'turned'. But... this is a dickpic site, there are loads of 'straight' men on here who are willing to experiment or fool around online or show curiosity about gay sex. People try their luck. The interaction is more playful than you seem willing to allow. Gay conversion therapy is something else, rather serious, so you are making a false equivalence.
I don't like your term 'mentally healthy gay man' because, as you well know, homosexuality has been pathologised as a mental illness. You seem to think that the only 'healthy' gay man is one who shows only interest in other gay men. If his interest strays to the 'straight side', then he is unhealthy and, you hint, this might include interest in underage sex. That is offensive.
Basically a straight man is attracted to women regardless of their sexual orientation. If a straight man finds a lesbian attractive nobody would say that was 'unhealthy' or disrespectful per se. You seem to expect different standards of gay men, we must only find our 'own kind' attractive.
So, yes, I mistrust your agenda and reject your arguments.
My wording was really bad and offensive for sure and i retract it. I did not mean it the way it sounds and i apologize.
If a "straight guy" stayed here for 1 or 2 days, I could accept rambles about "curiosity" and "just want to compare" or some other shit. But after 30 or 40 posts, I would say that too would start to seem odd...
Besides, a lot of guys who declares themselves to be 100% straight say so even when they are regulars at the gay porn forum, claiming that sexuality is complex, that you can be straight and still be sexuality attracted to men, or even obviously only claiming to be straight for a complex fantasy they have. You might not know this, but old bigbull29 here used to state he was 100% straight.
Also, almost every "straight guy" that comments in the ask a straight forum put on his stats that he's 1% gay* or state no sexuality at all. Which makes me even more surprised when they gets fake-ofended if other men message them presuming that they could possibly be interested in something gay (which is pretty much what it means to declare that you have some fraction of gayness).
With all things considered, I don't really think that most questions in the "ask a straight" forum are really cases of gay men preaching that a straight man can "learn" to like men. The lpsg users who seriously believe sexuality can be changed are generally either straight or bi, so I don't know why you come here to make this question. Seems more like you want to brush aside Mike Pence's barbaric intentions with false parallels.
*For me, being 1% gay or 1% straight means you are 100% bisexual and 0% gay or straight, and should post in the appropriate forum. This website moderates believe that below the arbitrary value of 20% that "part" of a person sexuality should be ignored...
It's basically a complete conviction in the "predatorial homosexual" trope. And being presented as a flipside to the very real threat we face of conversion torture.
Thanks, I will try to be less touchy and mistrustful. If you didn't mean it that way, no problem.
What does that means? If you feel attraction to men and women, you don't feel gay, baby boy.Oh well, I shouldn't be here then. I do feel gay though
Lol. I guess it's about where your heart lies, allegiances, emotional ties. The sense of belonging to a tribe maybe. 99.9% of my sexual and emotional experiences have been with men. I have a long term male partner, we are monogamous. I fall in love with men, not women. So it just seems more accurate and true to 'round up' to gay than bi. To me, bi denotes more interest in both sexes than I feel. I suppose I don't see gay and straight as completely absolute states, there is slight flex there. It just seems harsh to be cast out into the dreary wilderness of bisexuality when you've always felt gay
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A couple of points:
First, this isn't only a dick pic sharing site. Most of the straight guys posting here don't come here for that, nor do at least many of the women. Personally, I won't say I've never looked at a pic, here, but I rarely do. (Not counting the (for me) annoying 'ninjacocking' one gets in threads outside of the show-off areas. I just keep scrolling.) I came here for condom advice. I stayed because I occasionally learn something, frequently find what's posted here amusing (even if frequently exasperating,) and sometimes even get a chance to say something which might help someone out a bit.
That doesn't mean it's not a pic site, or that it can't be a pic site, but lots of us who read and post here don't look at the site that way. So, yeah: It gets exasperating for many of the straight guys, to get hit on and bombarded with insinuations that since they're reading here and posting here, they must really be secretly interested in getting it on with another man. Right?
That doesn't mean there aren't self-identified straight men who are curious. But it's rather silly to insinuate or assume that all or even most of the straight guys here are looking for a hookup. Or in denial. Or just need that little push in the right direction....
Second, as to self-definition: People have the right to define their own sexuality. As well as the labels they apply to themselves. That was the whole point of Stonewall, and the fight for equal rights since. Nobody has the right, nor the imprimatur to define another person's sexuality or sexual-identification for them. I can say that I don't believe that Joe is straight, but I can't rightfully say that he isn't. Any more than I can say he's gay and make that true just because I say so. We've fought for decades (many more than most folks remember) for the right to decide our own sexuality and our own identification and not have a preference or a gender role forced upon us. We forget, sometimes, that we're prone to do exactly that to other folks who don't conform to our expectations and stereotypes. We're better than that. We know better than that. But...sometimes we forget that we are. And that we do.
Third, as to rules: Ignoring societies' rules can lead to anarchy, sure. But questioning them and modifying them frequently simply leads to better rules. Societies aren't static. If we didn't question and modify rules, we'd still be riding horseback, living without indoor plumbing, or electricity, and being jailed (or, in some areas, executed) for sodomy. We'd be living with color bars, strict gender roles, lifetime marriages with no possibility of divorce, and that's if we didn't go back to biblical rules. (I don't know about the rest of you, but I certainly don't want to live according to the rules set down in Leviticus.) "This is the way it is done" isn't always persuasive. Nor should it always be.
Fourth, regarding conversion therapy: Of course it's bunk. But there will always be people who hate themselves or a part of who they are so intensely, that they obsess with trying to eradicate that part of themselves so as to make themselves acceptable -- whether to themselves alone, or to others' notions of who they should be, rather than who they are. And, of course, there are people who will stop at nothing to force others -- including their own loved ones -- to try and kill who they are for the convenience and comfort of others. Exchanging the person who exists for the fantasy which never will.
First, this isn't only a dick pic sharing site. Most of the straight guys posting here don't come here for that, nor do at least many of the women. Personally, I won't say I've never looked at a pic, here, but I rarely do. (Not counting the (for me) annoying 'ninjacocking' one gets in threads outside of the show-off areas. I just keep scrolling.) I came here for condom advice. I stayed because I occasionally learn something, frequently find what's posted here amusing (even if frequently exasperating,) and sometimes even get a chance to say something which might help someone out a bit.
That doesn't mean it's not a pic site, or that it can't be a pic site, but lots of us who read and post here don't look at the site that way. So, yeah: It gets exasperating for many of the straight guys, to get hit on and bombarded with insinuations that since they're reading here and posting here, they must really be secretly interested in getting it on with another man. Right?
That doesn't mean there aren't self-identified straight men who are curious. But it's rather silly to insinuate or assume that all or even most of the straight guys here are looking for a hookup. Or in denial. Or just need that little push in the right direction....
Second, as to self-definition: People have the right to define their own sexuality. As well as the labels they apply to themselves. That was the whole point of Stonewall, and the fight for equal rights since. Nobody has the right, nor the imprimatur to define another person's sexuality or sexual-identification for them. I can say that I don't believe that Joe is straight, but I can't rightfully say that he isn't. Any more than I can say he's gay and make that true just because I say so. We've fought for decades (many more than most folks remember) for the right to decide our own sexuality and our own identification and not have a preference or a gender role forced upon us. We forget, sometimes, that we're prone to do exactly that to other folks who don't conform to our expectations and stereotypes. We're better than that. We know better than that. But...sometimes we forget that we are. And that we do.
Third, as to rules: Ignoring societies' rules can lead to anarchy, sure. But questioning them and modifying them frequently simply leads to better rules. Societies aren't static. If we didn't question and modify rules, we'd still be riding horseback, living without indoor plumbing, or electricity, and being jailed (or, in some areas, executed) for sodomy. We'd be living with color bars, strict gender roles, lifetime marriages with no possibility of divorce, and that's if we didn't go back to biblical rules. (I don't know about the rest of you, but I certainly don't want to live according to the rules set down in Leviticus.) "This is the way it is done" isn't always persuasive. Nor should it always be.
Fourth, regarding conversion therapy: Of course it's bunk. But there will always be people who hate themselves or a part of who they are so intensely, that they obsess with trying to eradicate that part of themselves so as to make themselves acceptable -- whether to themselves alone, or to others' notions of who they should be, rather than who they are. And, of course, there are people who will stop at nothing to force others -- including their own loved ones -- to try and kill who they are for the convenience and comfort of others. Exchanging the person who exists for the fantasy which never will.
Most of the gay-harassed straights you are speaking up for would absolutely disagree with your view that people have the right to define their own sexuality. Many gays would as well
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What a load of bollocks, you are what you are and no therapy can change that - yes it was be chemically controlled but at the end of the day you are a sexual human being with needs - which at times don't fit with what in this current age of PC are called "the norm". Ancient Rome and all the athletes/soldiers had boy lovers who gave their asses to their olders and serviced them in every way possible, while after the athlete/soldier would return to his wife and in all probability service her and that was considered the norm....
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