Gay 'cure'

Would you take a gay 'cure' to make you straight?

  • No

    Votes: 83 65.9%
  • Yes

    Votes: 28 22.2%
  • I'd have to think about it

    Votes: 15 11.9%

  • Total voters
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COLJohn said:
Between you and Lex, you have convinced me that I am wrong in my thinking. I wish I could delete my former post. What an ignorant fuck I am sometimes.:redface:

No worries, COLJohn! We're all of us ignorant fucks sometimes. It's part of the human condition I believe :cool: PLUS you are WANTING to understand, which puts you far ahead of many!

I'm also really glad to experience that I have gotten my points across; this is surely a matter that deserves some real attention!
 

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COLJohn--you are beating yourself up for no reason. You are a thoughtful person who seeks information. I love that about you!

Tygrrr--thanks for elucidating the situation.

As a minority within a minority, I feel the social stigmas two-fold. I was already treated differently before I embraced my orientation and, now, some of the people/community that once embraced me, will/have disown(ed) me (with a portion of other communities now embracing me).

I feel fortunate that I have the emotional, financial and intellectual capapacity and some supports to avail myself to some of the resources that escape many of my gay brethren. Sad in the end that so many suffer so needlessly.
 

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COLJohn said:
I agree with your sentiments completely, FF, but even though gay men have a rougher than usual rite of passage, IMO they emerge stronger from the experience.

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger, but as Lex points outs, it does kill us with alarming frequency. Most sexually conforming individuals go through horrendous rites of passage, though those are not a walk in the park for almost anyone anymore. I'll skip the tales of my own tortured path to self-acceptance, but let me just say that it actually started with a question not unlike the thread title here.

I agree with Tygrrr that there is likely NOT a genetic component to sexuality, though there is much evidence recently that there is a biological one. I've posted a bit about that on the unfortunately named Big Steaming Pile thread. (That is, sexuality is not chosen but determined, but the determining mechanism is still unclear. It does not appear to be genetic, however.)

Can't say that ignornace is a bad thing, unless one is determinedly so. ColJohn, it seems to me that you have always shown remarkable openess and gay-friendliness. I appreciate your willingness to learn.

Doc
 

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kank84 said:
I've just watched the new X Men film and it got me thinking, if there was an injection that could make a gay man into a straight man, how many gay people out there would take it? I think if asked three or four years ago my answer would probably have been yes, but these days i wouldn't even consider it; i don't think my boyfriend would be very pleased. What about anyone else?
Never. Ever. In. My. Fucking. Life.
Would you look at me?
My lips, mouth and ass are designed to take cock.
I could never waste myself on a woman.

I'm glad and not surprised at all, that the large majority of the gays here finds this idea repulsive.
But whoever voted yes anyway; boo to you!! You and me in private for half an hour; I'll give you a taste of my cure for doubtfulness.
 

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Arnod_PM said:
Never. Ever. In. My. Fucking. Life.
Would you look at me?
My lips, mouth and ass are designed to take cock.
I could never waste myself on a woman.

I'm glad and not surprised at all, that the large majority of the gays here finds this idea repulsive.
But whoever voted yes anyway; boo to you!! You and me in private for half an hour; I'll give you a taste of my cure for doubtfulness.

It's encouraging to see someone as young as you are who willingly stands by his sexuality so adamantly and professes it with such unabashed conviction.

(100% gay as you are I'd encourage you not to consider women a 'waste' sexually.... much as I understand the level of your conviction) :wink:
 

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Dirty Videophile said:
It would be nice however if someone could find a cure for homophobia.
I second that.

I voted 'no' but when I was younger, I would have voted 'yes'. The self-hate inflicted by society's attitude made my younger years unbearable. I tried to deny my sexuality and suppress it until my early 20s. I seriously considered suicide at one point. What stopped me was thinking about what that would do to my mother. I was an only child, I knew that she would have been devastated.

But now I wouldn't change even if it could be done. It's me. I own it.

I envy guy's like Arnod_PM, who are comfortable with it at such a young age, and live in a more tolerant time. It will still be difficult for them [maybe not Arnod_PM], but things are getter better. The trend is toward tolerance.

We really do need are cure for homophobia.
 

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Arnod_PM said:
But whoever voted yes anyway; boo to you!! You and me in private for half an hour; I'll give you a taste of my cure for doubtfulness.

*pretends to doubt his sexuality*

Since it's a private poll, of course we don't know who voted yes. It could be gay men who secretly want to change (I'm sure there are many more out there than we realize), but there are also a few straight members of this board who would vote yes just to piss the rest of us off.

Even before I came out in high school, when I was far from comfortable with my sexuality and a long way from 'pride', I can remember thinking to myself that I wouldn't change even if I could. No principles involved - I just liked guys way too much. :wink:
 

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I too think that it's great to stand for something as personal as your sexual preference, and I couldn't agree with Stronzo more, women should not be considered a waste sexually or any other way for that matter.

women can offer a great deal other than just having a pussy and titties, and should never ever be considered a waste, I always have and always will show respect towards women, one does not have to be attracted sexually towards women to fully repect and appreciate them.


Stronzo said:
It's encouraging to see someone as young as you are who willingly stands by his sexuality so adamantly and professes it with such unabashed conviction.

(100% gay as you are I'd encourage you not to consider women a 'waste' sexually.... much as I understand the level of your conviction) :wink:
 

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The error in my thinking is that because I overcame a life-threatening experience and grew from it, looking back at it as something that worked for my betterment and therefore having no regrets about it, doesn't mean that others view their bad experiences similarly. I have discovered from the posts on this thread that many gay men have suffered emotional wounds that can't be so easily dismissed. It is heartening to see some young gay men openly embrace their sexuality without the accompanying angst that so many have dealt with. It was classic egocentrism on my part, and I offer apologies to those whom I misunderstood. There is little more to offer in the way of an excuse for my aggressive ignorance. I should have read this thread without commenting. Enough about me...returning the thread to those who have more invested in it. John
 

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John, you are hereby officially and gaily invited to cut yourself some slack. We are all in a process of growth, and it's to your credit that you regularly try to step outside your shoes and understand other perspectives. It's impossible to always see things through others' eyes - what distinguishes some is their consistency at attempting to do so. Frankly, what you said didn't strike me as bad - it just led others to offer alternate perspectives, which is a good thing. And if even if it were bad, I know I'm not the only one that reads people here by the totality of their posts vs. one comment (which is lucky for me not least of all). If you are still feeling guilty, sip a couple very pink cosmos with pinky extended, say a few "Oh Marys", and everything will be right again. :wink:

fortiesfun said:
ColJohn, it seems to me that you have always shown remarkable openess and gay-friendliness. I appreciate your willingness to learn.
 

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Matthew said:
John, you are hereby officially and gaily invited to cut yourself some slack. We are all in a process of growth, and it's to your credit that you regularly try to step outside your shoes and understand other perspectives. It's impossible to always see things through others' eyes - what distinguishes some is their consistency at attempting to do so. Frankly, what you said didn't strike me as bad - it just led others to offer alternate perspectives, which is a good thing. And if even if it were bad, I know I'm not the only one that reads people here by the totality of their posts vs. one comment (which is lucky for me not least of all). If you are still feeling guilty, sip a couple very pink cosmos with pinky extended, say a few "Oh Marys", and everything will be right again. :wink:


What he said, COL. At EASE!! That's an ORDER!
 

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You know what, POSTERS....

I think you are being a bit hard on the OP.

It has been mentioned, but I think the little guy deserves someone to stand up for a moment. This topic wasn't stupid or anything.

Yes, he chose a poor word, and I know the idea breeds self loathing etc... but unfortunetly, this feeling of Homosexuality being some sort of disease is ALL too Common.

There are People who look at Homosexuality as something that SHOULD be cured. You can't blame the OP for asking a question that has plagued even the most SECURE Gay men and women...

"Wouldn't life be easier if I was straight.??" I mean, there would be no struggles, no fighting with your family because you wanted to bring your lover home... There is nothing wrong with thinking thoughts, I have often wondered what life would be like if I was a Blonde with Blue eyes....:rolleyes:

Curiousity and free thinking is what makes us unique. As long as people have the right to choose to not "USE" the cure, then let them have it.

Someone Blast my opinion.. I dare you. I am in that argumentative mood...:tongue: :rolleyes:
Just think about it. Not everyone is comfortable with their orientation. Offering an easy fix... would allow them to fell "happy".

The end.
 

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jeff black said:
Not everyone is comfortable with their orientation. Offering an easy fix... would allow them to feel "happy".
But to return to the X-Men allusion of the opening post, that "quick fix" (which, apart from anything else, assumes that homosexuality has a single cause) can exist only within the realm of fantasy. The problem is that there is far too much baggage around from 'real-life' attempts to 'cure' homosexuality that have led to misery and suicide... for that fantasy to be particularly palatable for most.

Historically speaking, though.. of course there is a long tradition of fantasy literature which posits such a notion.. starting with Karl Heinrich Ulrich's vampire story Manor, published in 1885, in which he questioned whether blood transfers from a heterosexual male to a homosexual could 'straighten out' the latter.

I would agree with you that it's a thought which many have had, but it's always definitionally the attempt to efface one's own identity and to simplify the world into a hetero-exclusive model; which ultimately has to lead to a negative response to the suggestion from anyone who does not embrace the notion of a crypto-genocidal approach towards eradicating sexual identities located outside the realm of heterosexuality. To embrace this fantasy notion is to perceive homosexuality as an aberration, and to embrace self-loathing.... and, as I suggested much earlier in this thread... the fact that some of the "yes" responses here doubtlessly are genuine, only goes to highlight how rampant such sentiments can be in those who have been excluded and made to feel lesser within a heteronormative system.
 

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joyboytoy79 said:
HELL NO!!! No way, no how, not happening!!! No offence to the ladies, but have you seen what they have between they legs?????? :yikes: :puke: :dead1:
I agree with you dude. I want to be able to grab on to a dick instead of falling into a deep devide, never to be heard from again.
 

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BarebackJack said:
No. However I would be 100% in favor of a pill, shot, or tonic that would "cure" heterosexuals of the asinine stupidity and bigotry that makes them believe that we should all be like them.

Oh wait... I have the answer! Burn bibles.
Hey, that's the best response I've read so far. Get rid of all of them.
 

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Well, it looks like the poll did all the right things. It made us all think first, appreciate what we have and provide positive/negative feedback. Well done!

I for myself, however, would never have asked that question as it does imply that a gay person must first hate what he his and who he is on the inside to even answer such a question.

Use some good judgement when asking questions about oneself in here, it could create other problems that do need a cure. IMHO
 

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joyboytoy79 said:
HELL NO!!! No way, no how, not happening!!! No offence to the ladies, but have you seen what they have between they legs?????? :yikes: :puke: :dead1:

I remember enough of your posts YBT to know that you are a good guy, but please try to understand that for example my love of women and their bodies is really no different to your love of men and their bodies. It is possibly the fact that some heteros like me are complete pussy sluts that we can empathise with gay cock/ass sluts and are therefore not prejudiced, rather the opposite.

PS - I don't like being called straight - in fact I am going to start a thread about that.
 

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Hmmm---I would much prefer to "cure" societies attitude and predudice---Given one of my greatest wishes was to have been a father, but realizing at a pretty young age just how fucking unfair that would be to a child, and his mother, I denied myself that. I suspect some aspects of my life would have been easier if I had been straight, but other aspects would have been more difficult. I wouldn;t have had the relationships that used me so badly, but then, I likely would have had others which would have. GIven my sexuality only makes up a small part of who I am ( a VERY small part these days, given I'm not having any sex..:rolleyes:), I doubt it would have made that big of an impact on my personal happiness one way or the other. I know I am more sensitive, and caring about people, especially those who are picked on in various ways, because I can identify with them more. In that way, my being gay probably helps make me a better more caring person, than if I were straight. So, as much as it has cost me, thinking it all over, I probably would say no. And, as an alternative to cure, just for the sake of argument, how about the word "change"? Would you CHANGE your sexuality, if you easily could? Hmmm--this kinda gets back to the assumption of many straight people, especially the fundie christians, who BELIEVE that sexuality is a choice....but that's a topic for another day, I guess.