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any of you total gay guys get it up for a wet snatch?
In porn or in person? In porn - I'd never say never. In person - yes I have. [see the thread on "What's a vagina like?"] I guess that explains my 1%.

In straight porn I enjoy watching the females if they seem to be really into what they are doing or what's being done to them by the male/s. Big tits help too. :smile:

So-called Lesbian porn is boring to me. 1. There are no cocks, 2. It looks fake. [Off topic, but are there straight guys here who feel the same about "lesbian" porn? - A different twist on gay-for-pay].
 

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I find it both erotic and pleasurable. Somewhere liking it to breaking in a virgin. What else is intriguing is how much money have an influence in what people would do for it.
I imagine that the pleasure of sex as well as money is a strong influence on ones values and stand on issues, in this case performing a gay act.

I actually subscribed for a month to one of these sites as I was caught up in its almost comically unbalievableness of young people (most of these guys are young college age).

Until I found LPSG actually I thought sites like Baitbus was real. thanks for LPSG that its members are as diverse as they are in their opinions, experience, and feelings.

I hope this is what you are looking for and helps you some.
 

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any of you total gay guys get it up for a wet snatch?
I think it's a fair question, but there are so many ways that it doesn't provide a good answer, especially on an adult site.

1) If a guy has any man-on-man action once, and only once, he's still forever labeled "gay". Totally straight guys, are very unforgiving of this.

2) Similarly, women can be bisexual, but if a guy says that he is, he's labeled as gay, and in denial of his eventuality.

3) "totally gay" and "totally straight", and the listing of percentages here, just don't work. I feel for the 100% straight guy, who actually is 100% straight, on this site. But, there are a couple problems with this.
a) So many guys say that they're 100%, then proceed to engage in more like 50% behaviour. There have been a number of 100's that have spent more than just some casual time in my galleries, and then sent me PMs about what they'd do to my unmistakably hairy man-ass. I don't mind, but it's a bit confusing to me, when I get these, and their profile gives all indications that they're 100% unapologetically straight. Are they lying about their percentage? Are they reconsidering it? Are they really 100% straight, and under the surface angry gay-bashers trying to lure me in?
b) If you've been here a while, there have been several high profile 100% straight guys (even married with children), that have gone to 99%, to 90%, to 50%, and are now sending out invitations to their weddings/union ceremonies with their same-sex partners. It happens, and for a whole spectrum of reasons.
c) There are bi guys, that don't want the stigmas of being labeled gay, that just put 100% straight, and keep their other tendencies under wraps.

All of these make it difficult here for the 100% straight guy, to be taken at face value, and be believed, as actually being a 100% straight guy. It's also understandable when they get angry saying, "Look, it says 100% straight, right in my profile." But the 100% straight guys have got to understand, there's historically a reason here, why that 100% label, is often ignored.

So again, the basic question of, "If you're 100% gay or straight, does it's opposite of your attraction do anything for you?", is a good and very valid question, but it has flaws, is easily countered, and one that I don't see as getting a solid black or white answer. To the straight mind, gay and even bi, is just gay. Again, I repeat the beginning. Unless he can prove that he had a loaded gun to his head at the time, and had absolutely no choice, if a guy ever blows another guy one time, he's labeled a "cocksucker" for life. Period. However, if a gay guy tries out some pussy, he is NEVER accused of being a closeted straight, that just doesn't want to deal with his sexuality. There are countless gay guys that have sex with a woman, try it once, and say, "Yeah, I did, but it wasn't for me." Still, you'll NEVER utter, "C'mon dude, enough with the gay thing. You say you're gay, and I know you go out with guys, but we all know you had some pussy the other night. Drop the whole trying to act gay thing. We know you're really straight." Yet flipped around, you hear that constantly, and it's accepted as given truth.
 

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1) I know some guys love g4p because of the fantasy of being able to win over the hot straight guy. Capturing the unattainable and all that. And some guys absolutely hate it because they feel like g4p performers are taking advantage of the gay fans. They'll take our money and our ass but refuse to be counted as one of us. I personally don't feel that strongly in either direction.

G4P isn't a turn on for me but it's not a big turn off either. If the guys is hot I'll enjoy the video regardless whether he claims to be straight or not. But I prefer they're happily gay/bi. It just enhances the fantasy if the hot guys are officially on the "team".

2) Gay for pay has been around as long as gay porn has. A lot of the big stars from the 70s and 80s were supposedly straight. The internet age has definitely increased it a lot though. There are so many sites claiming to be full of straight college/military/random guys that never had gay sex before even though they've been on a dozen other sites and eventually end up in the big studios' videos.

3) I remember that Tyra episode, lol. Anyway, Bait Bus is definitely a good pick, every video they go through the song and dance of using a woman as a decoy, blindfolding the "victim", having him get mad when he sees the guy and then offering up the money. It usually eats up a majority of each video. And Broke Straight Boys does the whole "I'll pay you more if you do more" routine with the guys haggling for more money.
 

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I think it's a fair question, but there are so many ways that it doesn't provide a good answer, especially on an adult site.

1) If a guy has any man-on-man action once, and only once, he's still forever labeled "gay". Totally straight guys, are very unforgiving of this.

2) Similarly, women can be bisexual, but if a guy says that he is, he's labeled as gay, and in denial of his eventuality.

3) "totally gay" and "totally straight", and the listing of percentages here, just don't work. I feel for the 100% straight guy, who actually is 100% straight, on this site. But, there are a couple problems with this.
a) So many guys say that they're 100%, then proceed to engage in more like 50% behaviour. There have been a number of 100's that have spent more than just some casual time in my galleries, and then sent me PMs about what they'd do to my unmistakably hairy man-ass. I don't mind, but it's a bit confusing to me, when I get these, and their profile gives all indications that they're 100% unapologetically straight. Are they lying about their percentage? Are they reconsidering it? Are they really 100% straight, and under the surface angry gay-bashers trying to lure me in?
b) If you've been here a while, there have been several high profile 100% straight guys (even married with children), that have gone to 99%, to 90%, to 50%, and are now sending out invitations to their weddings/union ceremonies with their same-sex partners. It happens, and for a whole spectrum of reasons.
c) There are bi guys, that don't want the stigmas of being labeled gay, that just put 100% straight, and keep their other tendencies under wraps.

All of these make it difficult here for the 100% straight guy, to be taken at face value, and be believed, as actually being a 100% straight guy. It's also understandable when they get angry saying, "Look, it says 100% straight, right in my profile." But the 100% straight guys have got to understand, there's historically a reason here, why that 100% label, is often ignored.

So again, the basic question of, "If you're 100% gay or straight, does it's opposite of your attraction do anything for you?", is a good and very valid question, but it has flaws, is easily countered, and one that I don't see as getting a solid black or white answer. To the straight mind, gay and even bi, is just gay. Again, I repeat the beginning. Unless he can prove that he had a loaded gun to his head at the time, and had absolutely no choice, if a guy ever blows another guy one time, he's labeled a "cocksucker" for life. Period. However, if a gay guy tries out some pussy, he is NEVER accused of being a closeted straight, that just doesn't want to deal with his sexuality. There are countless gay guys that have sex with a woman, try it once, and say, "Yeah, I did, but it wasn't for me." Still, you'll NEVER utter, "C'mon dude, enough with the gay thing. You say you're gay, and I know you go out with guys, but we all know you had some pussy the other night. Drop the whole trying to act gay thing. We know you're really straight." Yet flipped around, you hear that constantly, and it's accepted as given truth.

I agree 100%. Too many guys are too apprehensive to admit things about their sexual preferences along with their true sexual orientation. Honestly, being "gay-for-pay" is a front for a questioning or likely bisexual individuals that just doesn't want admit.
 

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I assume you don't mean Paul Rudd, Daniel Day Lewis, Russell Crowe, Hugo Weaving - style gfp. :)

Frankly, I have no frigging idea why (and how) a 100% straight man would go gfp, except in very unusual circumstances that are unlikely to be repeated. Yet there are adult performers who maintain they are straight and do repeat performances... I find it all very strange.

On the other hand, I also find it extremely improbable that anyone is 100% gay or straight, but maybe someone who is 99.9% straight with, say, 100 sexual partners could have one that is of the same sex. It could be repeated, and it wouldn't necessarily make them gay?

Strong libido, the lure of money, the "naughtyness" factor might also be a part of it?

As for watching gfp, as a 99.9% gay man, I find many "gfp" performers hot. One can dream. :)

However, "gfp" occurred well before the internet. Rex Chandler was massive in the late 80s / early 90s. (Which brings me to Dirk Shafer, Thom Collins, etc, who were, for a while, "sfp" if not quite as immersed in their roles.) Indeed, if I remember my Isherwood right, "gfp" predates private broadcast media in general. And if I remember my 18th century British social history, (which is a lower probability) it predates the development of film in general.

As for the general, greater visibility of "gfp" in the 21st century, I would say that, just as being gay has gained greater acceptance, so has the social opprobrium about gay acts. Hence, it might be naughty but no longer reprehensible. :)

Or I could be talking a load of bull.

Have fun with your research.
 

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It seems to me that no one is willing or trying to comprehend is the point of view of a professional performer. Being "Gay for Pay" in a porno film is based on the money the performer will earn for his performance. That's what performers do to put food on their table and keep a roof over their head. It's that simple
Just as there are non porn performers who will turn down a role in a theatrical film for any number of reasons (The role is not challenging enough for them, the role will not showcase their particular skills, the film reflects an attitude toward war, violence, women, promiscuious sex etc the performer is personally opposed to, though rare is it that a performer turns down a good paying role for any of these reasons) so do certain porn performers turn down "Gay for Pay" performances for any number of reasons (or limit their activity) in these roles and of course the most predominant is that they're straight and just can't do that in performance. Then there are the other reasons, one well known "Gay for Pay" performer will top but not bottom, another will only do mutual masturbation, another will not perform oral, yet another will not do anal but will perform oral on another man, but kissing another man is also taboo for him.
Certainly the ability of many of the "Gay for Pay" performers cause the their viewers to pause and consider their sexuality because of their ability to maintain very firm erections (Viagra no doubt), their "acted" relishing bottoming (this just takes the ability to relax, time to stretch anal muscles and a heft paycheck), their ability to kiss other men (they're performers, they perform, don't ask questions), their apparent enjoyment of giving oral sex (they're performers, they perform and are paid for it.) The essence of performing is to make the viewer believe something that is unreal is true. Jessie Eisenberg is not a whiz computer programer. Owen Wilson has never been a theatrical agent, Tom Cruise has never been a spy nor run a movie studio, Russel Crowe is not gay despite his compelling performance as a young homosexual in his breakout film, they above are all actors using their skill as perfomers.
For a performer it's a question of dollars and cents. An "A" list actor in films will not do dangerous stunt work (it puts him, his career and the film in possible danger. He may want to but no doubt the insurance company would prohibit it). Equally some straight porn performers will not do "Gay for Pay", some will in certain circumstances (which usually have to do with the quality of the project and the size of the pay check.)
Sorry to be so business like about it, but it's a business. There are straight porn actors who only do only "Gay for Pay" because the pay is so much better and they don't want to tarnish their image as a Gay sex god. Of course vice versa is true.
The psychological factors being discussed just don't apply. Does a plumber limit the plumbing he does to certain color houses? Of course not. He does however select is work on what clients will pay him and for what. Same principal.
 

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I have known a number of porno performers as well as mainstream actors and actresses who have done nude scenes and sex scenes and all of them say exactly the same thing, what sexually excites them about doing this work is that they are being paid for it. It is not romantic, it is not particularly sexy, but it is well paying.
 
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This is an interesting topic and I'm intrigued by both the points of view of the performer and of the viewer. It might be interesting to look at where that line blurs. Watching porn is like masturbating, in a way you are becoming the person you watch.

As a gay/bi man watching porn the "for pay" tag might give some kind of capitalistic credence to male on male sexuality. It might also further de-biologicalize (sic?) the sex act. Porn can be about the direct hard banging nature of sex as opposed to the loving growing natural side of things. Money might further push sex away from nature.

From the performers point of view porn might be an extreme form of masturbation, a selfish sex act. Being a porn star makes you famous, that fame might be what it's all about. To show your dark sweaty kinky bits to another human and have them adore you for it is probably very appealing.

I sometimes liken smoking to staring death in the face, part of the appeal is that hard acceptance of my own mortality, doing gay porn and being excepted for it might be the same kind of thing. If you are straight and can still be excepted for participating in gay sex acts then you can be excepted for anything.
 

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I was talking about this subject with a very close straight male friend of mine over the weekend, hence I went looking for a thread about it here today.

My friend's undoubtedly straight, he's not bi-curious, he's very comfortable in his sexuality, and he's also an exhibitionist who isn't disgusted by the concept of gay sex, in the way many straight men seem to be. That part makes sense to me, I'm not revolted by straight sex, and yet I'm gay.

My mate says if the money was right he'd do gay for pay. Mostly, he says, because he thinks gay men would appreciate his body and his fairly large cock in a way none of the women he's ever been with do. That and he would enjoy the whole showing off element, being an exhibitionists an all.

Personally I don't find most gay for pay porn very exciting, it's too inauthentic in most cases. But occassionally I do enjoy it.

The reason I think many gay men enjoy gay for pay is a simple matter of wish fulfillment. Whether you're one of those guys who habitually falls for straight men or one who tends to find a man unattractive once you find out he's straight and unavailable it's a fact that because there are vastly more straight men in the world than gay men that almost all gay men will have found themselves attracted to at least one straight man at some point in their lives.

In fact the experience of seeing or meeting a straight guy you find sexually attractive, even if the attraction dissipates on discovering he's straight, is fairly common. It's a law of averages kind of thing.

Also many gay men grow up being the only gay they know, surrounded by sexually unavailable straight men/teenagers, whom they often end up having hopeless and sometimes crushing sexual desire for which is never requited, acted upon or expressed. The extent to which straight men form the earliest objects of sexual desire or obsession for many gay men is probably fairly large.

Some gay men never get out of that phase, and spend the rest of their adult lives falling for unavalaible straight men. Personally I'm one of those who tends to go off a guy if I think there's no chance but I know plenty of gay guys who are hopelessly besoted with heterosexual men, but I did have crushes on straight guys when I was a teenager and didn't have the opportunity to spend lots of time in the company of other gay men who were (theoretically) sexually available. Though tbh I did get plenty as a kid so it wasn't like I was living in a sexual desert LOL

I think gay for pay is a way of fulfilling the frustrated fantasies many gay men will have had at least once or twice in their lives. I mean that beautiful guy you and your friends met on the beach that time in Mykonos who really pushed your buttons until you found out he was straight as a die, wouldn't it have been hot if you later found out that in fact something (even if it is money) might have induced him into having wild and porno-style sex with you?

I think that fantasy, which is so often the result of a frustratingly unrequited attraction, is at the root of many gay men's enjoyment of gay for pay. I also think that in some cases that frustration can manifest itself as a kind of anger, hence the existence of a genre of gay for pay in which the straight guy is humiliated and abused, the revenge fantasy you mentioned.

But in most cases this darker fantasy isn't what drives the popularity of gay for pay, the fact that BDSM style gay for pay is less popular than more vanilla stuff is testament to this fact.

It's simple, porn is a fantasy, most straight men will never get to have the kind of extreme and hyper-real sex with super-hot women they will see in porn, and most gay men will likely not have the kind of sex they see in gay porn. It's the same with gay for pay, it's the fulfillment of all those times you found yourself cursing fate that that gorgeous guy who gave you a boner on the NY subway was going to meet his girlfriend and not giving you the come-to-bed looks you were hoping for.


But like I say, that's just my view, and gay for pay isn't especially one of my big turn ons, though I can't deny that occassionally I have seen examples of the genre I found hot.


Apologies for any spelling mistakes btw, my spellcheck isn't working LOL
 
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OP, I'm not suggesting you're digging too deep here, but when asking why queer men watch gay-for-pay porn I think it's important to consider what percentage of the viewing population even cares what sexuality the performer professes to have. There are those who purposely watch g4p and there are those who purposely don't watch it, but I suspect a large chunk of the masturbating, porn-consuming public out there is more concerned with how attractive the model is than anything else. In short, a six-pack and a pretty face may matter to many men much more than supposed facets of personality. After all, how much can we trust a porn bio, anyway?

To further your research, I would strongly suggest checking out relevant talkbacks on a site like Queerclick. They've certainly had discussions about this phenomenon. Of course, you'll always run in to a sampling bias as those who don't care about the finer points of their porn, those who are there to get off and get back to their lives, aren't so likely to post on it.

Good luck!
 

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There are at least two guys from the UK who have contributed on this site and who have appeared in a number of gay porn films. They say that they are basically straight but do gay-for-pay. Perhaps they would be prepared to contribute to your work off line.
 

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Just to be clear, performers do not get paid $5,000 to be in a gay porn production in this day and age, unless they are a big name and perform multiple scenes for that amount. The pay ranges from $100-$1,500 per scene depending on the performer and the studio. A very select few performers are able to get $2,000-2,500/per scene for a limited amount of work. Most gay porn performers make their living from other activities and although many call themselves gay-for-pay, it is more that their sexuality goes both ways, but romantically they are drawn to the opposite sex.
 

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A few months ago I came across a video where a supposedly straight marine received his first gay blowjob to earn money. He lay on a bed, watching porn, while a guy worked him over. It wasn't very exciting...until...the guy moved around and the marine reached out and began to jerk him off. The guy then moved up close to the marine's head and slowly, slowly he turned his head and took the cock in his mouth and began sucking it. He really got into sucking and you could see his erection get harder and harder as he touched and then sucked the cock...I found it very exciting watching him get so turned on.

Was it real? Was this truly his first gay experience? No way to know, but it was very erotic and I used it to masturbate many times and it made me cum really fast. Sadly, I can no longer find it and really miss seeing him suck that cock.

I think what was so hot about it was the forbidden aspect, and the excitement of seeing him have his first experience and enjoy it so much. I wish there were more videos like this, ones that at least seem real.