GAY MEN... WHEN will you STOP supporting GAY4PAY guys!?

[LucALot]

we are not talking about being attracted to masculinity for example which is completely off subject, but being attracted to the un-suitable or un-attainable.

I thought we were talking about sex workers

 

[hunGreek]

I thought we were talking about sex workers

we are, the initial question was about that. saying "lets stop supporting gay4 pay actors" is silly to say the least and it boils down to personal preference.
however the discussion also started involving the assumption that gay4pay porn will cause gay men to be attracted to str8 and thus make them miserable. to which i replied is complete popycock and got attacked

 

[Jay-E]

There’s a lot of things gay men should stop doing, but I have to agree that at the end of the day, porn is just porn.

 

[Prettyboi252]

it's so easy to NOT pay for porn, so I think we should stop PAYING for Gay for pay guys that give us nothing...

i see so many threads on here talking about some straight dude who posts thirst traps on IG and than people wonder about their OF content. It's almost always nothing (teases in short videos) , but i see a new thread about a new white str8 dude like every day.

let's stop.
i personally only pay for OF if i'm certain there's gonna be some gay sex. or AT LEAST some effort put into the videos... because literally these guys take a short video of them getting out the shower and it's like... that does NOTHING for me.

Sounds like fruity whining to me

 

[Mustang359]

Simps gunna simp.

 

[TDJ6]

lusting over str8 guys is different than paying for straight men who are obviously playing on the fantasy. and i can say that most of them give you guys NOTHING!!

 

[TDJ6]

we are, the initial question was about that. saying "lets stop supporting gay4 pay actors" is silly to say the least and it boils down to personal preference.
however the discussion also started involving the assumption that gay4pay porn will cause gay men to be attracted to str8 and thus make them miserable. to which i replied is complete popycock and got attacked

it's not silly...
when there was a "studio system" and porn producers were hiring g4p actors... whatever. they are getting paid by the studio and the studio benefits. so if you paid for a membership for the studio/site you were supporting that studio/site which are more often than not owned by gays. meaning you are supporting the gay community.
when it comes to OF - there are some straight guys that go a long way to engage and satisfy their gay fans' wants. but MOST of them give you all nothing. short short clips and they want you to pay more for longer videos or customs and it's like... kinda silly to pay imo.

but whatever i'll stop my "fruity whining"

 

[jasontyty]

Why do you care? If you don't want to patronize gay4pay, then don't. This is a sex positive forum. We should be encouraging all performers and all patrons.

Including the homophobic one and voting for the party that want to ban gay marriage ? The reality is there is way more homophobe in this gay-targeted OF space than you imagine. And you can guess their sexuality, those are straight.

They come to LGBT ppl when they need the money, but after became wealthy through those queer dollar, they decided to throw us under bus and watch our basic rights get threaten.

So as a self love, self respect, self valued queer, it's a no for me. It almost feel like I'm funding homophobic movement or anti-gay party, if I give them homophobic straight men money.

I'm not compromising my rights in real life just for fulfill some fantasy or horniness online.

 

[jasontyty]

It’s porn. It’s about their bodies, why does it matter who they date outside of work?

It's not bout who they date outside work, it's about who they vote in real life, and it would be surprise to you how much of those straight men who gaybaiting and targeted queer ppl for money, end up voting anti-LGBTQ party and even homophobic.

It'll affect my rights, my livelihood in real life. So it's important where our queer money goes, not into funding homophobic ppl, not into support the exploitation of queer ppl attraction.

It's also about what they lie and how the lies affect queer community, when someone lied they're queer later to be found out straight, it pretty much fuck up an already fragile queer ppl worldview.

Queer ppl is already hard in real life, queer ppl don't have freedom like straight ppl when it comes to dating, like they can hit up anyone at anywhere. Even queer ppl in big liberal LGBT friendly city like NYC, Miami, LA, London, Paris can face homophobia very often, let alone hitting up stranger. No way.

Queer ppl are cornered, and no where to go, the only safe space is internet, LGBT community, and yet now the spaces are filled with straight men, and the worse is they lied, with layers of lies pretending gay/bi/pan until queer wouldn't able to tell the truth from the lies anymore.

The worst is those straight guy try extra mile to fake their sexuality and pretend to be someone wholesome and friendly, like your real gay friend, or truly attracted to you. He's so engaging and so good at acting.

And when i found out he's actually straight, have gf all the time he lied he's single and gay, and don't like queer ppl. It create these trauma, biphobia, that no man can be trusted anymore, bc when a straight guy faking so good to a point you believed him and don't suspect anything, to just find out he's str8, it distorted with my sense what's gay and what's not, what is real?

They made me lose trust even among queer.

 

[dave in oz]

One of my real problems with this is that you are basically saying I must find out the sexual orientation of a performer before I choose to drop coin.

So what - do we now have to out any performers who don't admit their sexual preference?

Sexual preferences changes, hell I have a straight friend who has 2 guys he would let fuck him in a second but apart from that he has no MSM desires so is he gay or straight?

Where do bisexuals fit into your rules. What about bisexuals who say they are bisexuals but have only ever fucked the opposite sex?

As far as your thing with straight OF performers who YOU DECIDE are giving nothing to gay fans but gay fans keep paying.

It fucks me off when I pay good money for an OF performer and I get hardly anything from him - and that can be gay or straight performers. I have been on gay guys OF's where you pay $15 a month and find out everything decent is PPV. That sucks but according to you thats better than giving money to a straight performer who gives me decent length cum videos occasionally?

If an OF performer does not give me what I want guess what? I cancel my subscription.

I believe the fault here lies with Onlyfans not the performers, for not giving us ANY clue what we actually get before we sign up.

If a gay 4 pay studio performer performs badly he shouldn't get the gig. If he DOES get the gig then we the buying public have shown we like what he does.

Someone might love seeing Paddy Obrien being slammed in that tight little ass (I know I do - watching that tight muscular body bounce on a dick and hearing him moan? hot) but because he says he's straight then thats not allowed? Even though he enjoys being fucked enough to cum... which is a massive turn on for me knowing gay and str8 guys alike can get off on anal but now only gay guys are allowed that.

This policing of what we can and can't watch based on what YOU believe is correct? I don't really need you censoring what I am allowed to watch and enjoy.

Hows about you do what you wanna do and leave the rest of us grown ups to do what we want.

 

[thomas200]

It's not bout who they date outside work, it's about who they vote in real life, and it would be surprise to you how much of those straight men who gaybaiting and targeted queer ppl for money, end up voting anti-LGBTQ party and even homophobic.

It'll affect my rights, my livelihood in real life. So it's important where our queer money goes, not into funding homophobic ppl, not into support the exploitation of queer ppl attraction.

It's also about what they lie and how the lies affect queer community, when someone lied they're queer later to be found out straight, it pretty much fuck up an already fragile queer ppl worldview.

Queer ppl is already hard in real life, queer ppl don't have freedom like straight ppl when it comes to dating, like they can hit up anyone at anywhere. Even queer ppl in big liberal LGBT friendly city like NYC, Miami, LA, London, Paris can face homophobia very often, let alone hitting up stranger. No way.

Queer ppl are cornered, and no where to go, the only safe space is internet, LGBT community, and yet now the spaces are filled with straight men, and the worse is they lied, with layers of lies pretending gay/bi/pan until queer wouldn't able to tell the truth from the lies anymore.

The worst is those straight guy try extra mile to fake their sexuality and pretend to be someone wholesome and friendly, like your real gay friend, or truly attracted to you. He's so engaging and so good at acting.

And when i found out he's actually straight, have gf all the time he lied he's single and gay, and don't like queer ppl. It create these trauma, biphobia, that no man can be trusted anymore, bc when a straight guy faking so good to a point you believed him and don't suspect anything, to just find out he's str8, it distorted with my sense what's gay and what's not, what is real?

They made me lose trust even among queer.

im not reading all that.

but i can tell you, not every straight guy is right wing, just like not every gay guy is left. there are plenty of gay pornstars who still support trump up until this day

 

[dave in oz]

im not reading all that.

but i can tell you, not every straight guy is right wing, just like not every gay guy is left. there are plenty of gay pornstars who still support trump up until this day

I know Colby Keller has always been VERY supportive of Trump.

 

[raulpico09]

I love seeing hot men naked and I willingly pay for it. It doesn’t bother me if they are straight or gay. Just a kind of entertainment, it’s just porn. Who and what are these actors into in real life has no business with me. I’m very thankful for a lot of straight men who is willing to take it off for gay audience and they deserve to have some cash back. I think there are many gay men just like me.

 

[Mount Phalic]

I know Colby Keller has always been VERY supportive of Trump.

What does that have to do with anything? Trump isn’t anti gay.

 

[Mount Phalic]

Including the homophobic one and voting for the party that want to ban gay marriage ? The reality is there is way more homophobe in this gay-targeted OF space than you imagine. And you can guess their sexuality, those are straight.

They come to LGBT ppl when they need the money, but after became wealthy through those queer dollar, they decided to throw us under bus and watch our basic rights get threaten.

So as a self love, self respect, self valued queer, it's a no for me. It almost feel like I'm funding homophobic movement or anti-gay party, if I give them homophobic straight men money.

I'm not compromising my rights in real life just for fulfill some fantasy or horniness online.

Who is the homophonic one?

 

[dave in oz]

What does that have to do with anything? Trump isn’t anti gay.

Oh please you you have clearly gotten swept up in the tokenistic surface level gay-speak by Trump to gain LGBT votes...while courting the religious right who want us silenced and shoved back in the closet.

Don't get me wrong I think Trump did a couple greast things in office but don't be fooled:

1. 1. Opposition to the Equality Act: Despite support from almost every segment of the U.S. population and a majority of Republicans, President Trump opposed the Equality Act. In May, the House passed the Equality Act, voting to guarantee critical non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people among other crucial rights.
   2. Appointed anti-LGBTQ judges: Trump has appointed anti-LGBTQ judges with alarming anti-LGBTQ records to appointments at every level of the judicial system, including anti-equality Supreme Court Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and federal nominees Kacsmaryk, Mateer, Bounds, Vitter. Menashi and others.
   3. Joked about Pence’s desire to hang LGBTQ people: In 2017, Trump joked about Vice President Pence’s anti-gay agenda saying “Don’t ask that guy—he wants to hang them all!”
2. In the Workplace
   1. Supported employment discrimination against LGBTQ people: The Trump administration submitted amicus briefs to the U.S. Supreme Court supporting discrimination against LGBTQ people.
   2. Banned transgender service members from the military: Against the expert advice of military leadership, medical authorities, budget analysts, 70% of Americans and the armed forces of allied countries, Trump and Pence banned transgender people from serving in the military.
   3. Rolled back Obama-era non-discrimination protections: Trump’s Department of Justice upended previous DOJ interpretations of the Civil Rights Act that protect transgender and non-binary workers from employment discrimination and ceased enforcing non-discrimination protections as well as taking a hostile stance to LGBTQ workers in court.
   4. Issued rule to license discrimination: Trump’s Department of Labor issued a regulation designed to allow federal contractors to claim a religious exemption to fire LGBTQ workers because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
   5. Kicked people living with HIV out of the military because of their status: The Department of Defense instituted a “Deploy or Get Out” policy, which would remove military personnel living with HIV from service solely because of their status.
   6. Created a hostile work environment for LGBTQ federal employees: According to Politico: “[The Trump administration] fostered a climate where six staffers who are LGBT described removing their wedding rings before coming to work in the morning, taking down photos of their partners and families or ultimately finding new jobs further away from certain political appointees. They did not want to be identified; two said they feared being reassigned for being gay.”
3. In Health Care
   1. Undermine Section 1557 Rule: HHS published a proposed major change to the administrative rule interpreting Section 1557 of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to remove explicit protections for LGBTQ people in healthcare programs and activities by excluding LGBTQ people from protections from discrimination based on sex stereotyping and gender identity.
   2. Advocated for the elimination of the entire Affordable Care Act: The Justice Department issued a legal filing arguing that the entirety of the Affordable Care Act should be overturned. This move would jeopardize health care for over 130 million people with preexisting conditions like HIV and eliminate non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people.
   3. Created a Religious Discrimination Division: HHS created a new office whose sole purpose would be to defend physicians and other medical professionals who decide to refuse care, including to LGBTQ patients.
   4. Proposed cutting over $1.35 billion from PEPFAR budget: In his proposed FY 2019 budget, Trump cut $1.35 billion from, or 29% of PEPFAR’s budget. PEPFAR is the U.S. government program that fights AIDS abroad.
4. In Schools
   1. Guidance for Schools on Transgender Students: The Departments of Education and Justice eliminated Obama-era guidance clarifying that schools must treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity. This encourages schools officials to permit harassment of transgender students, deny access to facilities consistent with gender identity, and refuse to use correct names and pronouns -- all inflicting untold emotional harm.
   2. Rejected Complaints From Transgender Students: The Department of Education refused to respond to civil complaints filed by transgender students, including those who were barred from using bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity. This increases the burden for transgender students to combat these harmful policies.
   3. Suggested it is acceptable for schools to discriminate against LGBTQ students while accepting tax-payer funds: Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos has refused to rule out federal funding for schools that discriminate against LGBTQ students and has declined to state she would otherwise intervene should discrimination occur.
   4. Sexual Assault: DeVos rescinded Title IX rules related to schools’ obligations to address sexual harassment, including sexual violence. By eliminating the Obama-era rules, DeVos increased the standard of proof from “preponderance of the evidence” to “clear and convincing evidence” making it more difficult for survivors of sexual assault to obtain justice. LGBTQ people are disproportionately affected by sexual assault and harassment, and the stigma that many LGBTQ people face can make it more difficult for survivors to report.
   5. Eliminated language protecting LGBTQ children participating in the 4-H program: The Trump-Pence Administration ordered 4-H programs to remove a policy specifically welcoming LGBTQ children in the 4-H program, which led to the firing of an official who protested.
   6. Used Title IX to discriminate against trans students: the Department of Education claimed that school policies allowing trans youth to participate in sports consistent with their gender identity violated federal law and threatened to withhold funds.
5. In Housing
   1. Allowed emergency shelters to deny access to transgender and gender nonconforming people: Despite the fact that LGBTQ people are significantly more likely to experience homelessness in their lives, HUD Secretary Ben Carson has proposed a rule to permit emergency shelters to deny access or otherwise discriminate against transgender and gender nonconforming peoplewho are homeless. HUD also canceled a scheduled survey on LGBTQ homelessness.
   2. Placed transgender incarcerated persons in the wrong prison: The Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) rolled back an Obama-era policy that housed transgender prisoners consistent with their gender identity. With transgender people experiencing sexual assault at higher rates than average, this decision only puts them at further risk of assault.
6. In Families
   1. Allowed foster care programs to discriminate while accepting tax-payer funds: Trump-Pence White House has proposed a federal regulation that would strip away nondiscrimination requirements and permit all Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) grant recipients, notably adoption and foster care agencies, to discriminate against LGBTQ people, and in many circumstances religious minorities and women, and still receive federal funding.
   2. Refused visas to partners of diplomats: The State Department began refusing visas for same-sex partners of some diplomats and U.N. workers if they are not married.
   3. Changed rules to deny surrogate born children citizenship: The Trump Administration has interpreted immigration rules specifically so the child of a same-sex couple born abroad via surrogate would be considered "born out of wedlock" and making it more difficult to obtain U.S. citizenship.
7. In Representation
   1. Erased transgender people: Trump’s HHS proposed a new definition that would narrowly define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by birth. According to the New York Times: “The new definition would essentially eradicate federal recognition of the estimated 1.4 million [transgender] Americans.” In addition, agency staff, including those at the Centers for Disease Control, have been instructed to stop using the word transgender in official reports.
   2. Eliminated information on LGBTQ rights, mentions, and representation on government websites: Within hours of Trump’s swearing-in, pages on LGBTQ rights and recognition were removed from government websites, including the White House.
   3. Blocked questions regarding sexual orientation from consideration for the census: Trump and Pence have sought to block questions on sexual orientation from the census in order to erase LGBTQ people from official counts. This would, in turn, prevent the collection of crucial data that could help improve government programs and resources for LGBTQ people.
   4. Refused to recognize LGBTQ people in National AIDS day Address: Despite being the community most affected by the epidemic, Vice President Pence has consistently refused to acknowledge LGBTQ people in his addresses on National AIDS day.
8. In the World:
   1. Refusing LGBTQ asylum seekers fleeing violence: Trump issued an executive order to create further obstacles for all people seeking to enter the U.S., preventing refugees from escaping some of the most anti-LGBTQ regimes in the world.
   2. Embassy Pride Flags: Pence defended the State Department directive to ban U.S. embassies across the world from flying the LGBTQ Pride Flag during Pride Month.
   3. Left the U.N. Human Rights Council: Trump and Pence, over LGBTQ and other issues, removed the United States from the U.N. Human Rights Council.
   4. Chechnya: Trump and Pence refused to condemn attacks on LGBTQ people in Chechnya, where atrocities against queer people are horrific and ongoing.
   5. Brunei: The Trump-Pence administration has refused to condemn a Brunei law that imposes barbaric punishments on LGBTQ people, including death by stoning, torture and whipping.

But yeah apart from this list he's a fucking queer saint.

 

[Mount Phalic]

Oh please you you have clearly gotten swept up in the tokenistic surface level gay-speak by Trump to gain LGBT votes...while courting the religious right who want us silenced and shoved back in the closet.

Don't get me wrong I think Trump did a couple greast things in office but don't be fooled:

1. 1. Opposition to the Equality Act: Despite support from almost every segment of the U.S. population and a majority of Republicans, President Trump opposed the Equality Act. In May, the House passed the Equality Act, voting to guarantee critical non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people among other crucial rights.
   2. Appointed anti-LGBTQ judges: Trump has appointed anti-LGBTQ judges with alarming anti-LGBTQ records to appointments at every level of the judicial system, including anti-equality Supreme Court Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and federal nominees Kacsmaryk, Mateer, Bounds, Vitter. Menashi and others.
   3. Joked about Pence’s desire to hang LGBTQ people: In 2017, Trump joked about Vice President Pence’s anti-gay agenda saying “Don’t ask that guy—he wants to hang them all!”
2. In the Workplace
   1. Supported employment discrimination against LGBTQ people: The Trump administration submitted amicus briefs to the U.S. Supreme Court supporting discrimination against LGBTQ people.
   2. Banned transgender service members from the military: Against the expert advice of military leadership, medical authorities, budget analysts, 70% of Americans and the armed forces of allied countries, Trump and Pence banned transgender people from serving in the military.
   3. Rolled back Obama-era non-discrimination protections: Trump’s Department of Justice upended previous DOJ interpretations of the Civil Rights Act that protect transgender and non-binary workers from employment discrimination and ceased enforcing non-discrimination protections as well as taking a hostile stance to LGBTQ workers in court.
   4. Issued rule to license discrimination: Trump’s Department of Labor issued a regulation designed to allow federal contractors to claim a religious exemption to fire LGBTQ workers because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
   5. Kicked people living with HIV out of the military because of their status: The Department of Defense instituted a “Deploy or Get Out” policy, which would remove military personnel living with HIV from service solely because of their status.
   6. Created a hostile work environment for LGBTQ federal employees: According to Politico: “[The Trump administration] fostered a climate where six staffers who are LGBT described removing their wedding rings before coming to work in the morning, taking down photos of their partners and families or ultimately finding new jobs further away from certain political appointees. They did not want to be identified; two said they feared being reassigned for being gay.”
3. In Health Care
   1. Undermine Section 1557 Rule: HHS published a proposed major change to the administrative rule interpreting Section 1557 of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to remove explicit protections for LGBTQ people in healthcare programs and activities by excluding LGBTQ people from protections from discrimination based on sex stereotyping and gender identity.
   2. Advocated for the elimination of the entire Affordable Care Act: The Justice Department issued a legal filing arguing that the entirety of the Affordable Care Act should be overturned. This move would jeopardize health care for over 130 million people with preexisting conditions like HIV and eliminate non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people.
   3. Created a Religious Discrimination Division: HHS created a new office whose sole purpose would be to defend physicians and other medical professionals who decide to refuse care, including to LGBTQ patients.
   4. Proposed cutting over $1.35 billion from PEPFAR budget: In his proposed FY 2019 budget, Trump cut $1.35 billion from, or 29% of PEPFAR’s budget. PEPFAR is the U.S. government program that fights AIDS abroad.
4. In Schools
   1. Guidance for Schools on Transgender Students: The Departments of Education and Justice eliminated Obama-era guidance clarifying that schools must treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity. This encourages schools officials to permit harassment of transgender students, deny access to facilities consistent with gender identity, and refuse to use correct names and pronouns -- all inflicting untold emotional harm.
   2. Rejected Complaints From Transgender Students: The Department of Education refused to respond to civil complaints filed by transgender students, including those who were barred from using bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity. This increases the burden for transgender students to combat these harmful policies.
   3. Suggested it is acceptable for schools to discriminate against LGBTQ students while accepting tax-payer funds: Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos has refused to rule out federal funding for schools that discriminate against LGBTQ students and has declined to state she would otherwise intervene should discrimination occur.
   4. Sexual Assault: DeVos rescinded Title IX rules related to schools’ obligations to address sexual harassment, including sexual violence. By eliminating the Obama-era rules, DeVos increased the standard of proof from “preponderance of the evidence” to “clear and convincing evidence” making it more difficult for survivors of sexual assault to obtain justice. LGBTQ people are disproportionately affected by sexual assault and harassment, and the stigma that many LGBTQ people face can make it more difficult for survivors to report.
   5. Eliminated language protecting LGBTQ children participating in the 4-H program: The Trump-Pence Administration ordered 4-H programs to remove a policy specifically welcoming LGBTQ children in the 4-H program, which led to the firing of an official who protested.
   6. Used Title IX to discriminate against trans students: the Department of Education claimed that school policies allowing trans youth to participate in sports consistent with their gender identity violated federal law and threatened to withhold funds.
5. In Housing
   1. Allowed emergency shelters to deny access to transgender and gender nonconforming people: Despite the fact that LGBTQ people are significantly more likely to experience homelessness in their lives, HUD Secretary Ben Carson has proposed a rule to permit emergency shelters to deny access or otherwise discriminate against transgender and gender nonconforming peoplewho are homeless. HUD also canceled a scheduled survey on LGBTQ homelessness.
   2. Placed transgender incarcerated persons in the wrong prison: The Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) rolled back an Obama-era policy that housed transgender prisoners consistent with their gender identity. With transgender people experiencing sexual assault at higher rates than average, this decision only puts them at further risk of assault.
6. In Families
   1. Allowed foster care programs to discriminate while accepting tax-payer funds: Trump-Pence White House has proposed a federal regulation that would strip away nondiscrimination requirements and permit all Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) grant recipients, notably adoption and foster care agencies, to discriminate against LGBTQ people, and in many circumstances religious minorities and women, and still receive federal funding.
   2. Refused visas to partners of diplomats: The State Department began refusing visas for same-sex partners of some diplomats and U.N. workers if they are not married.
   3. Changed rules to deny surrogate born children citizenship: The Trump Administration has interpreted immigration rules specifically so the child of a same-sex couple born abroad via surrogate would be considered "born out of wedlock" and making it more difficult to obtain U.S. citizenship.
7. In Representation
   1. Erased transgender people: Trump’s HHS proposed a new definition that would narrowly define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by birth. According to the New York Times: “The new definition would essentially eradicate federal recognition of the estimated 1.4 million [transgender] Americans.” In addition, agency staff, including those at the Centers for Disease Control, have been instructed to stop using the word transgender in official reports.
   2. Eliminated information on LGBTQ rights, mentions, and representation on government websites: Within hours of Trump’s swearing-in, pages on LGBTQ rights and recognition were removed from government websites, including the White House.
   3. Blocked questions regarding sexual orientation from consideration for the census: Trump and Pence have sought to block questions on sexual orientation from the census in order to erase LGBTQ people from official counts. This would, in turn, prevent the collection of crucial data that could help improve government programs and resources for LGBTQ people.
   4. Refused to recognize LGBTQ people in National AIDS day Address: Despite being the community most affected by the epidemic, Vice President Pence has consistently refused to acknowledge LGBTQ people in his addresses on National AIDS day.
8. In the World:
   1. Refusing LGBTQ asylum seekers fleeing violence: Trump issued an executive order to create further obstacles for all people seeking to enter the U.S., preventing refugees from escaping some of the most anti-LGBTQ regimes in the world.
   2. Embassy Pride Flags: Pence defended the State Department directive to ban U.S. embassies across the world from flying the LGBTQ Pride Flag during Pride Month.
   3. Left the U.N. Human Rights Council: Trump and Pence, over LGBTQ and other issues, removed the United States from the U.N. Human Rights Council.
   4. Chechnya: Trump and Pence refused to condemn attacks on LGBTQ people in Chechnya, where atrocities against queer people are horrific and ongoing.
   5. Brunei: The Trump-Pence administration has refused to condemn a Brunei law that imposes barbaric punishments on LGBTQ people, including death by stoning, torture and whipping.

But yeah apart from this list he's a fucking queer saint.

Your visceral hate is mind blowing. Trump has nothing against gay men. He doesn’t like the alphabet soup fringe demanding everything under the sun. Align with your gay brothers (stop using the derogatory term queer).

 

[dave in oz]

Your visceral hate is mind blowing. Trump has nothing against gay men. He doesn’t like the alphabet soup fringe demanding everything under the sun. Align with your gay brothers (stop using the derogatory term queer).

Visceral hate? Yeah OK that’s rather emotionally charged - how Trumpian of you lol I’m sure you wished you could have yelled that at me and as you pointed your finger shaking with rage

All I did was give you a list of facts, with clear and concise information and you didn’t dispute them or counter them you just called me a hater. Facts aren’t hate or love they’re just facts.

As for queer being derogatory I now wonder how you got here from 1973 when that was the case.

it’s widely used by all of us and I won’t bother with any other justification because the assertion it’s still derogatory in 2023 is just laughable.

 

[dave in oz]

Who is the homophonic one?

Homophonic? Why would you ask which one has rhythm - seems like a funny question ha ha

 

[thomas200]

Your visceral hate is mind blowing. Trump has nothing against gay men. He doesn’t like the alphabet soup fringe demanding everything under the sun. Align with your gay brothers (stop using the derogatory term queer).

hey buddy guess what, you're part of that alphabet soup!