GAY MEN... WHEN will you STOP supporting GAY4PAY guys!?

[Prettyboi252]

Oh please you you have clearly gotten swept up in the tokenistic surface level gay-speak by Trump to gain LGBT votes...while courting the religious right who want us silenced and shoved back in the closet.

Don't get me wrong I think Trump did a couple greast things in office but don't be fooled:

1. 1. Opposition to the Equality Act: Despite support from almost every segment of the U.S. population and a majority of Republicans, President Trump opposed the Equality Act. In May, the House passed the Equality Act, voting to guarantee critical non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people among other crucial rights.
   2. Appointed anti-LGBTQ judges: Trump has appointed anti-LGBTQ judges with alarming anti-LGBTQ records to appointments at every level of the judicial system, including anti-equality Supreme Court Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and federal nominees Kacsmaryk, Mateer, Bounds, Vitter. Menashi and others.
   3. Joked about Pence’s desire to hang LGBTQ people: In 2017, Trump joked about Vice President Pence’s anti-gay agenda saying “Don’t ask that guy—he wants to hang them all!”
2. In the Workplace
   1. Supported employment discrimination against LGBTQ people: The Trump administration submitted amicus briefs to the U.S. Supreme Court supporting discrimination against LGBTQ people.
   2. Banned transgender service members from the military: Against the expert advice of military leadership, medical authorities, budget analysts, 70% of Americans and the armed forces of allied countries, Trump and Pence banned transgender people from serving in the military.
   3. Rolled back Obama-era non-discrimination protections: Trump’s Department of Justice upended previous DOJ interpretations of the Civil Rights Act that protect transgender and non-binary workers from employment discrimination and ceased enforcing non-discrimination protections as well as taking a hostile stance to LGBTQ workers in court.
   4. Issued rule to license discrimination: Trump’s Department of Labor issued a regulation designed to allow federal contractors to claim a religious exemption to fire LGBTQ workers because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
   5. Kicked people living with HIV out of the military because of their status: The Department of Defense instituted a “Deploy or Get Out” policy, which would remove military personnel living with HIV from service solely because of their status.
   6. Created a hostile work environment for LGBTQ federal employees: According to Politico: “[The Trump administration] fostered a climate where six staffers who are LGBT described removing their wedding rings before coming to work in the morning, taking down photos of their partners and families or ultimately finding new jobs further away from certain political appointees. They did not want to be identified; two said they feared being reassigned for being gay.”
3. In Health Care
   1. Undermine Section 1557 Rule: HHS published a proposed major change to the administrative rule interpreting Section 1557 of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to remove explicit protections for LGBTQ people in healthcare programs and activities by excluding LGBTQ people from protections from discrimination based on sex stereotyping and gender identity.
   2. Advocated for the elimination of the entire Affordable Care Act: The Justice Department issued a legal filing arguing that the entirety of the Affordable Care Act should be overturned. This move would jeopardize health care for over 130 million people with preexisting conditions like HIV and eliminate non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people.
   3. Created a Religious Discrimination Division: HHS created a new office whose sole purpose would be to defend physicians and other medical professionals who decide to refuse care, including to LGBTQ patients.
   4. Proposed cutting over $1.35 billion from PEPFAR budget: In his proposed FY 2019 budget, Trump cut $1.35 billion from, or 29% of PEPFAR’s budget. PEPFAR is the U.S. government program that fights AIDS abroad.
4. In Schools
   1. Guidance for Schools on Transgender Students: The Departments of Education and Justice eliminated Obama-era guidance clarifying that schools must treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity. This encourages schools officials to permit harassment of transgender students, deny access to facilities consistent with gender identity, and refuse to use correct names and pronouns -- all inflicting untold emotional harm.
   2. Rejected Complaints From Transgender Students: The Department of Education refused to respond to civil complaints filed by transgender students, including those who were barred from using bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity. This increases the burden for transgender students to combat these harmful policies.
   3. Suggested it is acceptable for schools to discriminate against LGBTQ students while accepting tax-payer funds: Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos has refused to rule out federal funding for schools that discriminate against LGBTQ students and has declined to state she would otherwise intervene should discrimination occur.
   4. Sexual Assault: DeVos rescinded Title IX rules related to schools’ obligations to address sexual harassment, including sexual violence. By eliminating the Obama-era rules, DeVos increased the standard of proof from “preponderance of the evidence” to “clear and convincing evidence” making it more difficult for survivors of sexual assault to obtain justice. LGBTQ people are disproportionately affected by sexual assault and harassment, and the stigma that many LGBTQ people face can make it more difficult for survivors to report.
   5. Eliminated language protecting LGBTQ children participating in the 4-H program: The Trump-Pence Administration ordered 4-H programs to remove a policy specifically welcoming LGBTQ children in the 4-H program, which led to the firing of an official who protested.
   6. Used Title IX to discriminate against trans students: the Department of Education claimed that school policies allowing trans youth to participate in sports consistent with their gender identity violated federal law and threatened to withhold funds.
5. In Housing
   1. Allowed emergency shelters to deny access to transgender and gender nonconforming people: Despite the fact that LGBTQ people are significantly more likely to experience homelessness in their lives, HUD Secretary Ben Carson has proposed a rule to permit emergency shelters to deny access or otherwise discriminate against transgender and gender nonconforming peoplewho are homeless. HUD also canceled a scheduled survey on LGBTQ homelessness.
   2. Placed transgender incarcerated persons in the wrong prison: The Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) rolled back an Obama-era policy that housed transgender prisoners consistent with their gender identity. With transgender people experiencing sexual assault at higher rates than average, this decision only puts them at further risk of assault.
6. In Families
   1. Allowed foster care programs to discriminate while accepting tax-payer funds: Trump-Pence White House has proposed a federal regulation that would strip away nondiscrimination requirements and permit all Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) grant recipients, notably adoption and foster care agencies, to discriminate against LGBTQ people, and in many circumstances religious minorities and women, and still receive federal funding.
   2. Refused visas to partners of diplomats: The State Department began refusing visas for same-sex partners of some diplomats and U.N. workers if they are not married.
   3. Changed rules to deny surrogate born children citizenship: The Trump Administration has interpreted immigration rules specifically so the child of a same-sex couple born abroad via surrogate would be considered "born out of wedlock" and making it more difficult to obtain U.S. citizenship.
7. In Representation
   1. Erased transgender people: Trump’s HHS proposed a new definition that would narrowly define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by birth. According to the New York Times: “The new definition would essentially eradicate federal recognition of the estimated 1.4 million [transgender] Americans.” In addition, agency staff, including those at the Centers for Disease Control, have been instructed to stop using the word transgender in official reports.
   2. Eliminated information on LGBTQ rights, mentions, and representation on government websites: Within hours of Trump’s swearing-in, pages on LGBTQ rights and recognition were removed from government websites, including the White House.
   3. Blocked questions regarding sexual orientation from consideration for the census: Trump and Pence have sought to block questions on sexual orientation from the census in order to erase LGBTQ people from official counts. This would, in turn, prevent the collection of crucial data that could help improve government programs and resources for LGBTQ people.
   4. Refused to recognize LGBTQ people in National AIDS day Address: Despite being the community most affected by the epidemic, Vice President Pence has consistently refused to acknowledge LGBTQ people in his addresses on National AIDS day.
8. In the World:
   1. Refusing LGBTQ asylum seekers fleeing violence: Trump issued an executive order to create further obstacles for all people seeking to enter the U.S., preventing refugees from escaping some of the most anti-LGBTQ regimes in the world.
   2. Embassy Pride Flags: Pence defended the State Department directive to ban U.S. embassies across the world from flying the LGBTQ Pride Flag during Pride Month.
   3. Left the U.N. Human Rights Council: Trump and Pence, over LGBTQ and other issues, removed the United States from the U.N. Human Rights Council.
   4. Chechnya: Trump and Pence refused to condemn attacks on LGBTQ people in Chechnya, where atrocities against queer people are horrific and ongoing.
   5. Brunei: The Trump-Pence administration has refused to condemn a Brunei law that imposes barbaric punishments on LGBTQ people, including death by stoning, torture and whipping.

But yeah apart from this list he's a fucking queer saint.

Do you know why Koalas aren’t an official bear? They don’t meet the right Koala-fications

 

[Prettyboi252]

Your visceral hate is mind blowing. Trump has nothing against gay men. He doesn’t like the alphabet soup fringe demanding everything under the sun. Align with your gay brothers (stop using the derogatory term queer).

I’d like to make the word “queer” in my alphabet soup but I never get a Q

 

[dave in oz]

Do you know why Koalas aren’t an official bear? They don’t meet the right Koala-fications

Come on man.

You know those little dudes are sensitive about that.

Be better.

 

[that1guy702]

it's so easy to NOT pay for porn, so I think we should stop PAYING for Gay for pay guys that give us nothing...

i see so many threads on here talking about some straight dude who posts thirst traps on IG and than people wonder about their OF content. It's almost always nothing (teases in short videos) , but i see a new thread about a new white str8 dude like every day.

let's stop.
i personally only pay for OF if i'm certain there's gonna be some gay sex. or AT LEAST some effort put into the videos... because literally these guys take a short video of them getting out the shower and it's like... that does NOTHING for me.

 

[TDJ6]

One of my real problems with this is that you are basically saying I must find out the sexual orientation of a performer before I choose to drop coin.

So what - do we now have to out any performers who don't admit their sexual preference?

Sexual preferences changes, hell I have a straight friend who has 2 guys he would let fuck him in a second but apart from that he has no MSM desires so is he gay or straight?

Where do bisexuals fit into your rules. What about bisexuals who say they are bisexuals but have only ever fucked the opposite sex?

As far as your thing with straight OF performers who YOU DECIDE are giving nothing to gay fans but gay fans keep paying.

It fucks me off when I pay good money for an OF performer and I get hardly anything from him - and that can be gay or straight performers. I have been on gay guys OF's where you pay $15 a month and find out everything decent is PPV. That sucks but according to you thats better than giving money to a straight performer who gives me decent length cum videos occasionally?

If an OF performer does not give me what I want guess what? I cancel my subscription.

I believe the fault here lies with Onlyfans not the performers, for not giving us ANY clue what we actually get before we sign up.

If a gay 4 pay studio performer performs badly he shouldn't get the gig. If he DOES get the gig then we the buying public have shown we like what he does.

Someone might love seeing Paddy Obrien being slammed in that tight little ass (I know I do - watching that tight muscular body bounce on a dick and hearing him moan? hot) but because he says he's straight then thats not allowed? Even though he enjoys being fucked enough to cum... which is a massive turn on for me knowing gay and str8 guys alike can get off on anal but now only gay guys are allowed that.

This policing of what we can and can't watch based on what YOU believe is correct? I don't really need you censoring what I am allowed to watch and enjoy.

Hows about you do what you wanna do and leave the rest of us grown ups to do what we want.

it's less about "finding out the sexual orientation" ... but imo these straight guys are getting so brazen about getting money from gays. they give nothing, they barely show anything, and often it's like they are LAUGHING at y'all for paying them money. (and I agree this happens with gay "content creators" as well).
but the straight guys wouldn't be so bold about charging high fees and PPV videos and stuff if gays didn't go so crazy over them.
so what you do is correct, cancel the subscription if you aren't getting what you want.
but the bigger problem to me is that a lot of these straight guys are really taking advantage of the gay men. that's all. do what you want. but often times when people are complacent about things, it spirals into a bigger issue that can't be corrected and I think that's where we are at right now.

 

[dave in oz]

it's less about "finding out the sexual orientation" ... but imo these straight guys are getting so brazen about getting money from gays. they give nothing, they barely show anything, and often it's like they are LAUGHING at y'all for paying them money. (and I agree this happens with gay "content creators" as well).
but the straight guys wouldn't be so bold about charging high fees and PPV videos and stuff if gays didn't go so crazy over them.
so what you do is correct, cancel the subscription if you aren't getting what you want.
but the bigger problem to me is that a lot of these straight guys are really taking advantage of the gay men. that's all. do what you want. but often times when people are complacent about things, it spirals into a bigger issue that can't be corrected and I think that's where we are at right now.

You are looking for principles and morality in an industry that is based on guys getting off by watching other guys and they are happy to pay for the privilege.

People have NO idea what they are buying when you join onlyfans - there are no previews, no video lengths no anything but guys still hand over their cash saying please I'm a dumb cock led guy just gimme something and let me slobber and jizm while I watch you.

I know thats graphic but its basically what it is - and you expect people to have morals and principles in that industry.

I'm hard pressed to think of another business like OF where consumers have zero idea what they will get when they pay but they cross their fingers and hope.

Lets face it - it's hard to get high and mighty with a cummy dick in your hand.

 

[TDJ6]

You are looking for principles and morality in an industry that is based on guys getting off by watching other guys and they are happy to pay for the privilege.

People have NO idea what they are buying when you join onlyfans - there are no previews, no video lengths no anything but guys still hand over their cash saying please I'm a dumb cock led guy just gimme something and let me slobber and jizm while I watch you.

I know thats graphic but its basically what it is - and you expect people to have morals and principles in that industry.

I'm hard pressed to think of another business like OF where consumers have zero idea what they will get when they pay but they cross their fingers and hope.

Lets face it - it's hard to get high and mighty with a cummy dick in your hand.

well i normally go to the persons twitter for previews before I pay for a subscription. so you CAN get an idea of what they are offering from that.

 

[dave in oz]

well i normally go to the persons twitter for previews before I pay for a subscription. so you CAN get an idea of what they are offering from that.

It can help but you also get a lot of guys who infer their OF delivers the full experience from a few twitter moments and those twitter previews end up basically being the whole thing or its a couple guys almost penetrating and almost kissing...

If OF offered number of videos, minutes length of videos and a 10 second hover over trailer as happens when you hover over vids on boyfriend.tv, pornhub etc

Like the look of the hover trailer? Pay $2 or whatever for the full vid without having to join - great money maker for genuine OF'ers BUT they'll never introduce that feature because so many OF's are all promise and no delivery and OF would lose revenue.

Crazy that a free porn service gives you more options and transparency than one you have to pay for.

 

[TDJ6]

[not letting it go]
there's this guy... Tayo Ricci... whose shorts keep popping up on my youtube and he is SO annoying.
because it's all about "i'm so hot, hey GAY GUY do you think i'm hot... hey GAY GUY do you wanna kiss me... hey GAY GUY do you wanna get pounded" and I can tell he's completely straight.

 

[Finaldestiny986]

It's impossible to stop supporting without knowing who we(?) have to stop support.

 

[Mount Phalic]

It’s also ridiculous for the OP to demand that we stop supporting models just because he says so.

 

[TDJ6]

It’s also ridiculous for the OP to demand that we stop supporting models just because he says so.

I really would just like you all to think about the slippery slope this could take us down. That's all!

 

[TDJ6]

It's impossible to stop supporting without knowing who we(?) have to stop support.

well please don't support this tayo ricci guy

 

[Finaldestiny986]

well please don't support this tayo ricci guy

I don't even know who he is hah

 

[dave in oz]

[not letting it go]
there's this guy... Tayo Ricci... whose shorts keep popping up on my youtube and he is SO annoying.
because it's all about "i'm so hot, hey GAY GUY do you think i'm hot... hey GAY GUY do you wanna kiss me... hey GAY GUY do you wanna get pounded" and I can tell he's completely straight.

He's CLEARLY straight if he owns this https://www.instagram.com/kreamagency/?hl=en

DO what you want man. If someone sparks a fantasy in my head that I run with I am not bothered about them being straight or gay. Would I pay to see him wank, look straight in the camera and tell me to fuck him?...maybe.

Would I pay to see him have sex with a girl. Absolutely not.

He's providing a service and people pay for that service.

 

[Iamyesyouareno]

it's so easy to NOT pay for porn, so I think we should stop PAYING for Gay for pay guys that give us nothing...

i see so many threads on here talking about some straight dude who posts thirst traps on IG and than people wonder about their OF content. It's almost always nothing (teases in short videos) , but i see a new thread about a new white str8 dude like every day.

let's stop.
i personally only pay for OF if i'm certain there's gonna be some gay sex. or AT LEAST some effort put into the videos... because literally these guys take a short video of them getting out the shower and it's like... that does NOTHING for me.

We'll stop supporting straight guys when they stop being attractive??

Don't know what you expect honestly. OF is a business. Gay guys are thirsty for male bodies. Luckily for us, hundreds and hundreds of men of any sexual orientation are willing to sell us nudes, so we pay up. And just because YOU need to see gay sex doesn't mean that we all need to see that. For me, guys showering is worth paying for...so I intend to keep paying for that.

You pay for the content that gets you off and the rest of us will do the same. It ain't complicated, just bust a nut and go on with your day.

 

[dave in oz]

"just bust a nut and go on with your day."

Best advice I have seen on this whole ridiculous thread.

 

[bigboaster]

As far as I'm concerned if you're even willingly aware of a porn star being g4p or not in real life. You're already lost in the sauce and too invested into porn. Not sure why that is something to concern yourself with at all. As long as they give a good performance or solo or whatever. That's all that should matter. Porn is about fantasy.

 

[StrenghtenMe]

How am I going to distinguish gay-for-pay pornstar from bisexual or pansexual pornstar?
Or you assume bi/pan pornstars also don't deserve support?

 

[3403861]

This gate-keeping is so horribly hypocritical that it makes me sad for the gay community. Since when are we policing the sexual orientations of adult performers and adult models? What’s the cut off for being acceptably gay enough ? Why are we tolerating - let alone PERPETUATING- the shaming of their gay fans???
The LGBTQIA++ umbrella is a very large one. There is room.
And let people like things, ffs.

Agreed. There’s also a movement afoot in film/Television calling for gay roles to only be played by gay actors. By this standard, should heterosexual characters in film/Tv only be played by other hetero men? These activists are seemingly oblivious as to how this toxic retrograde rhetoric negatively impacts the community they claim to care so much about.