Gay Nazis

[absinthium]

Originally posted by lacsap1@Jun 29 2005, 04:51 PM
I don't know how it works in the US, but here in Holland military / army stands for a particularly strict order in society. With the use or appropriation of military / army accessories and clothing this (gay) culture express their opposition to society. Among this gay Nazi style in the context of sado-masochistic plays and sex, uniform pieces serve the connotation of subordination and unlimited power. They are used to exaggerate and overdo the heterosexual image of manliness or Sissi's.

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This really makes a lot of sense. In the work of the artist Tom of Finland, for instance, there are a lot of tongue in cheek plays on macho stereotypes, everything from the common "biker" and "sailor" to costumes that come very close to resembling uniforms of the Nazis.

Thank you for posting this! It's about time we see such an eloquent response to this topic.

 

[robertomuro]

Don't worry, found it..

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=214682

 

[madame_zora]

That was a good laugh, they were a bunch of twats, just like I expected.

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Jun 29 2005, 07:31 PM
That was a good laugh, they were a bunch of twats, just like I expected.

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Yeah. I've decided not to say anything to them about their twatdom. There's absolutely no use arguing with people like that (did you see the reply some fellow made asserting that neither gays nor Jews were exterminated by the Nazi party?). I just wanna gather some information and get the fuck out of the there as soon as possible.

 

[KinkGuy]

Originally posted by absinthium@Jun 29 2005, 06:36 PM
I just wanna gather some information and get the fuck out of the there as soon as possible.

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Ahhhh, but now they :evilgrin: know who you are.

But, you gotta' admit.....the uniforms were hot!!! Especially the jack boots.

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by KinkGuy@Jun 29 2005, 08:40 PM
Ahhhh, but now they :evilgrin: know who you are.

Feh... I doubt there's a group of people in the world I could be LESS afraid of. Even their forum is confusing and disorganized... I keep getting email prompts to confirm my email address, even though I already have, and have been posting! Not to mention that several other members on the forum have complained that their posts aren't showing up. Tsk, tsk. Get it together, people.

But, you gotta' admit.....the uniforms were hot!!! Especially the jack boots.

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Like the government, I can neither confirm nor deny these allegations.
*Cough*
...I don't own a riding crop.

Stop looking at me!

 

[KinkGuy]

Originally posted by absinthium@Jun 29 2005, 06:55 PM
...I don't own a riding crop.
Stop looking at me!

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Wanna' borrow one?

And I can look all I want!

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+Jun 29 2005, 02:50 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; Jun 29 2005, 02:50 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-absinthium@Jun 29 2005, 01:33 PM
Don&#39;t worry, folks, thanks to the "one drop rule" they&#39;d never have me, anyhow.

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I think I almost knew.

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Now, now, now, Chimera, don&#39;t be shy... Are you insinuating that you knew I was a person of mixed race because I&#39;m healthy, intelligent, and insanely hot? Because I know all these things, and you admitting you have a HUGE, THROBBING... Crush on me is OKAY. It doesn&#39;t make you any less of a Texan, I promise.
...Or maybe it was the fact that you know my biological mother and can clearly see she&#39;s no hunk of white chocolate. YOU FUCKING IDIOT&#33; Of course I&#39;m mixed... You think you "almost knew"? How differently abled are you, anyway? Jesus in a biscuit&#33;

Anyhow, dearest, I hate to inform you that, sadly, I&#39;ll be too busy eternally washing my hair to ever give you the time of day, but I appreciate your tawdry little advances just the same.

 

[surferboy]

Perhaps what these guys are doing with their profiles is to make themselves appear "dark and dangerous". However, I also feel that it could be similar to the "straight-acting" which many guys are bashed for writing. When they put "88" or "straight acting" they are saying, at least IMO, that they don&#39;t consider themselves "gay" but they want gay sex.

I hate the phrase "straight acting." Yes, I&#39;m a masculine gay boy. When people say "straight acting," that implies that I&#39;m acting, meaninf I&#39;m not being myself. Well, like, I got news for those people; this is how and who I am. Not all gay guys are fem.

 

[madame_zora]

Nixxy, you&#39;re perfect just the way you are.

When I say "straight acting" I mean it literally, gay guys who "act" straight to avoid criticism and even let women believe they are straight, which is rude and obnoxious.

Gay men don&#39;t have to fit any certain stereotype to be cool, being yourself is always best.



Julianna, are you trying to move in on my man? I saw him first&#33;
Gun totin&#39; white supremacists make me weak in the knees.

*spreads the brown love*

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+Jun 29 2005, 11:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; Jun 29 2005, 11:07 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by madame_zora@
Julianna, are you trying to move in on my man? I saw him first&#33;
Gun totin&#39; white supremacists make me weak in the knees.

*spreads the brown love*

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Now, now, now, Chimera, don&#39;t be shy... Are you insinuating that you knew I was a person of mixed race because I&#39;m healthy, intelligent, and insanely hot? Because I know all these things, and you admitting you have a HUGE, THROBBING... Crush on me is OKAY. It doesn&#39;t make you any less of a Texan, I promise.
...Or maybe it was the fact that you know my biological mother and can clearly see she&#39;s no hunk of white chocolate. YOU FUCKING IDIOT&#33; Of course I&#39;m mixed... You think you "almost knew"? How differently abled are you, anyway? Jesus in a biscuit&#33;

Anyhow, dearest, I hate to inform you that, sadly, I&#39;ll be too busy eternally washing my hair to ever give you the time of day, but I appreciate your tawdry little advances just the same.

...I&#39;m going to slowly leave this topic, then we will just forget this ever happened.

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DON&#39;TLEAVEMEBABYCAN&#39;TYOUSEEI&#39;MDESPERATEFORYOU

 

[madame_zora]

Man, if only I&#39;d known it would be that easy.....

 

[absinthium]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Jun 30 2005, 01:27 AM
Man, if only I&#39;d known it would be that easy.....

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He wants me. Hardcore.
Poor thing.

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by ChimeraTX+Jun 29 2005, 07:09 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimeraTX &#064; Jun 29 2005, 07:09 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Dr Rock@Jun 29 2005, 03:56 AM
nope, I think that if you check out some of the color photos of him and bother reading some descriptions (I think there was a fairly detailed one by that US ambassador who resigned during the 30s), you&#39;ll find there&#39;s nothing blue about &#39;em. hitler&#39;s eyes were commonly described as grey and watery, and the photographic evidence (while not terribly high-quality) does bear that out.

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Do you mean Martha Dodd?

"As has often been said, Hitler&#39;s eyes were startling and unforgetable - they seemed pale blue in color, were intense, unwavering, hypnotic." -Martha Dodd, OSS, "Through Embassy Eyes"

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"Hitler is not physically attractive. Everyone knows that today. But at that time stories were circulated in the party and among sympathizers about his deep blue eyes. They are neither deep nor blue. His look is staring or dead, and lacks the brilliance and sparkle of genuine animation."
- Hermann Rauschning, Voice of Destruction

Rauschning was the President of the Danzig Senate during the early years of the nazi government (although he did later resign from the party, and became a prominent public detractor - still, which of them DIDN&#39;T after nuremberg). I dunno who Martha Dodd was, but I never heard of her before.

incidentally, Madame Tussaud&#39;s in london did a lot of research on this exact topic for their waxwork of hitler. as you&#39;ll notice if you take a look at it ... the eyes are gray.

 

[DC_DEEP]

Hmm, maybe I am just confused, but I always think of "straight-acting" to mean they act like straight men, which to me means they like to lick and/or fuck women.

Masculine would seem to be a better and more accurate term - and requires less typing, even if they use the cutsey-silly "str8-acting".

I should probably put this in PM to a couple of the posters on this thread, but I&#39;m putting it here anyway. I have, unfortunately, over the years known a few of these supremist types, and challenged them on their rationale for their attitudes toward dark-skinned people. The response was almost always one that showed their ignorance. The claim was that it says so in the Bible, that the dark skin was "the mark of Cain," and that it was their christian duty to hold those attitudes. Even though I don&#39;t believe in their silly little book, I know that they don&#39;t really read it and understand it. The mark of Cain, whatever it was, was not an invitation to harm, it was a warning NOT to harm. And I quote, "And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark on Cain, lest any finding him should kill him." (Genesis 4:15.) So, from the very mouth of the god they claim to worship, whatever they do to a dark-skinned person, shall come back to them sevenfold. Ah, the very thought of lynchings being avenged sevenfold....... So do the stupid bastardize the holy text they claim to revere, simply to use it for evil purposes.

 

[DC_DEEP]

Originally posted by MisterMark@Jun 29 2005, 06:05 PM
I asked an acquaintance of mine who has "88" in his profile on a gay site about all of this. Here&#39;s his response:

"For the vast majority, myself included, it&#39;s the power and uniform that hold the real intrigue."

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Argh, semantics is everything. One can enjoy the role-playing with the uniforms and power, but not the rest of it. When they put the 88 or the 14 or the phrases skin-head or neo-nazi or whatever, they are, IMHO, emphasizing that regardless of claims to the contrary, they DO espouse the ideology. When they put the symbolism in a profile, then claim it is only the image, that claim is only to try to assuage the ire from correct-thinking folks who take them to task for it. Why not just simply, in the profile, put "uniforms and power-play a huge turn-on"? If they are that stupid, I want nothing to do with them. If they are sincere, I want nothing to do with them.

Mark, I&#39;m glad he is just an acquaintance of yours. In my dotage, I have become much less inhibited about blasting bigots, and I do so at ANY given opportunity.

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by DC_DEEP@Jun 30 2005, 11:39 AM
The mark of Cain, whatever it was, was not an invitation to harm, it was a warning NOT to harm.

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fwiw, the literal translation seems to indicate that it was supposed to be an actual branding mark rather than any physiological distinction. the myth probably arose from one of the many ancient cultures in which malefactors were branded for life so that everyone could observe their guilt - for the same reason it was usually forbidden to kill them, because killing them would be seen as a mercy they were unworthy of (incidentally that&#39;s also the same reason their tongues were usually cut out - not so that they couldn&#39;t speak, but so that they couldn&#39;t commit suicide by choking on them. notice the parallels: "They loved Him with their lips, and with their tongue they lied to Him; but their heart was not sincere with Him, nor did they prove faithful to His covenant. Therefore struck dumb shall be the treacherous lips that speak evil against the good man." - 1st Epistle of St Clement).

 

[jonb]

Yeah, but you know you&#39;re a fundie when you claim an ethnic group you don&#39;t like is descended from Satan via Cain and when someone reminds you that&#39;s impossible because of the flood you claim it&#39;s via Ham&#39;s wife.

 

[Dr Rock]

it&#39;s okay, colored folks can be christians too, just so long as they donate 75% of their earnings to their churches. everyone will be white in heaven, after all&#33;

 

[DC_DEEP]

I do love my analogies. Here&#39;s a good one. A "gay 88er" is not too much different from one who claims to be Buddhist, but his favorite foods are still cheeseburgers or a big ole bucket o fried chicken. Well, you know, it&#39;s like the image of being a Buddhist is so cool, what with the chants and cool robes and shit. But the dead animals still taste mighty fine.

Uniforms and power image, yeah, whatever. Whenever I see the 88 or 14 or LOVE/HATE tattooed across his knuckles, (or emblazoned across his online profile) I know where his heart really is.