Gay Perverts

SyddyKitty

Admired Member
Joined
Aug 18, 2007
Posts
2,432
Media
0
Likes
860
Points
333
Age
37
Location
Washington (United States)
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
The post you quoted is still, pretty much, a "deal with it, you're in public" post. It's on the internet, there is nothing you can do to remove it from the various hard drives viewers have saved the image to. That means there is nothing you can do about it but try to lessen the blow.
 

marleyisalegend

Loved Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2007
Posts
6,126
Media
1
Likes
620
Points
333
Age
38
Location
charlotte
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
The post you quoted is still, pretty much, a "deal with it, you're in public" post. It's on the internet, there is nothing you can do to remove it from the various hard drives viewers have saved the image to. That means there is nothing you can do about it but try to lessen the blow.

but according to some, there is no blow, you were in public so you were asking for it.
 

SyddyKitty

Admired Member
Joined
Aug 18, 2007
Posts
2,432
Media
0
Likes
860
Points
333
Age
37
Location
Washington (United States)
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
In fact, I have been taking pictures of myself since I was underage, sharing them on the internet (and that is a much more common act than you might like to think). I used to think "Oh no, what if a future boyfriend finds out and leaves me for it?" then I got over it. This is very(very) loosely related to this thread.
 

HyperHulk

Experimental Member
Joined
May 12, 2007
Posts
825
Media
1
Likes
14
Points
163
Location
Sydney, Oz
Sexuality
50% Straight, 50% Gay
Gender
Male
The situation in question is not about nudity. This situation is about people who are clothed in common public attire being the focus of sexual interest.

So if they took pictures of your female loved ones while they are wearing bathing suits or say, just their breasts (while clothed) and posted it on a website or blog called, saggytittedsluts.com, then you or your loved ones wouldn't mind? You guys would just laugh it off? I'm pretty sure I can speak for my loved ones and say they would be devastated and distraught and I would be too. But maybe that's just me.
 

HyperHulk

Experimental Member
Joined
May 12, 2007
Posts
825
Media
1
Likes
14
Points
163
Location
Sydney, Oz
Sexuality
50% Straight, 50% Gay
Gender
Male
In fact, I have been taking pictures of myself since I was underage, sharing them on the internet (and that is a much more common act than you might like to think). I used to think "Oh no, what if a future boyfriend finds out and leaves me for it?" then I got over it. This is very(very) loosely related to this thread.

And if caught, you could be arrested for distribution of child pornography and end up a registered sex offender. That's a reality and it's happened to people. It's not something I would pass around. Considering from your admission, it would be easy enough to get a warrant, get your ISP and use the federal wiretap laws to monitor your internet traffic to see if you are going to send any pictures. I'm not sure if you're aware of how expanded the powers of the federal government are to investigate these things.

Admitting that you have distributed child pornography is remarkably reckless.
 

marleyisalegend

Loved Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2007
Posts
6,126
Media
1
Likes
620
Points
333
Age
38
Location
charlotte
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
so let me get this straight. if one takes pictures of a child in public, which is legal, as soon as its put on the internet it's illegal?? it's okay to TAKE the pictures as long as you don't post them?? this is terribly confusing.

once again, no one answered, why does putting a window in between the photographer and their subject make it unacceptable. if its okay to photograph someone in public, why is it wrong to photograph them in their home?? should windows be made with color so they're not see-through??
 

HyperHulk

Experimental Member
Joined
May 12, 2007
Posts
825
Media
1
Likes
14
Points
163
Location
Sydney, Oz
Sexuality
50% Straight, 50% Gay
Gender
Male
It's a few years late to really care. Especially considering none of that is even on this computer (a dead, old computer that won't even power on), so there's nothing to catch me for.

Again, you're naive if you don't think this website isn't on the radar of the FBI and other agencies who monitor child pornography. By your admission alone, they have enough to get a warrant--without your knowledge and monitor your activities for the rest of your life. They could have enough to get a warrant, raid your home, seize your computer to see if you have any other pics. Stranger things have happened. Good luck.
 

marleyisalegend

Loved Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2007
Posts
6,126
Media
1
Likes
620
Points
333
Age
38
Location
charlotte
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
I never made any comment on whether or not the FBI or other agencies monitor this site. It's been made quite clear in various other threads.

Anyway, 'thanks' for the info but meh.

i think the sex-crimes division would have a lot to say about this thread and MANY MANY others on this site
 

husky14620

Experimental Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2005
Posts
179
Media
0
Likes
6
Points
163
Age
67
Location
Rochester, Western NY
Sexuality
100% Gay, 0% Straight
Gender
Male
Once again, this isn't a witch-hunt, all gay men are NOT perverts, but in my homestate of North Carolina, there are almost 10,000 registered sex offenders so to ignore the perversion of humanity would be blind.

You may not be aware of it, but had you been caught having consensual sex with another adult male in North Carolina, both you and he would have become registered sex offenders prior to the Supreme Court's Texas v. Lawrence decision. Many of those men are still listed despite the law under which they were convicted having been declared unconstitutional. so by your very premise, all gay men must be perverts because until "Lawrence", they were sex offenders.:mad:

That is not to say that some of us aren't perverts. It is just to say that you need to find [a] better definition(s) of pervert to use. Some of the things I've done would curl your bone(s).:theyareontome:

You apparently haven't been out very long, as the tone of your original post indicates a significant loathing of gay men, typical of the self-loathing that permeates our community. I hope you will think hard about:

a: who is being hurt by the things you see as perverted?

b: why you think they are perverted?

c: what do you do that others would think perverted?

When you have spent some time thinking about answers to these three questions, please go back and look at your original post in a new light.
 

husky14620

Experimental Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2005
Posts
179
Media
0
Likes
6
Points
163
Age
67
Location
Rochester, Western NY
Sexuality
100% Gay, 0% Straight
Gender
Male
once again, no one answered, why does putting a window in between the photographer and their subject make it unacceptable. if its okay to photograph someone in public, why is it wrong to photograph them in their home?? should windows be made with color so they're not see-through??

Because you have a "reasonable expectation" of privacy inside your own home, even it the windows are open (no glass!) which you do NOT have on a public thoroughfare.
 

marleyisalegend

Loved Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2007
Posts
6,126
Media
1
Likes
620
Points
333
Age
38
Location
charlotte
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
You apparently haven't been out very long, as the tone of your original post indicates a significant loathing of gay men, typical of the self-loathing that permeates our community. I hope you will think hard about:

a: who is being hurt by the things you see as perverted?

b: why you think they are perverted?

c: what do you do that others would think perverted?

When you have spent some time thinking about answers to these three questions, please go back and look at your original post in a new light.

a: who's being hurt when they're touched in their sleep?? the person being touched

b: because the person is enjoying a sexual experience where they don't know/care if the particpant would be consentual

c: honestly i can't think of anything. my sex life with my boyfriend is satisfactory enough that i don't need to grope men on the train or fondle my friends when they sleep over

for the record i've been gay my whole life and completely out since 04. ask every person i've worked with, partied with, or gone on vacation with since then.
 

marleyisalegend

Loved Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2007
Posts
6,126
Media
1
Likes
620
Points
333
Age
38
Location
charlotte
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
Because you have a "reasonable expectation" of privacy inside your own home, even it the windows are open (no glass!) which you do NOT have on a public thoroughfare.

so an action that's acceptable when i step out of the home immediately becomes wrong when i step in it?? why do we need this privacy in our homes if we don't need it at all in public??
 
2

2322

Guest
what about clothed people?? you can photo a woman's bossom no matter how covered up she is

Yes, you can.

they're two separate incidents, is it not possible to discuss multiple incidents in one thread??

Not when you're doing what you are and that is equating one with the other. Because I can tolerate being photographed in public does not mean I can tolerate my sister being sexually assaulted.

so you don't care if your mother or a family member is photographed in a pornographic manner??

Being photographed wearing commonly worn garments in public does not make the photographs pornographic. The intent of the photographer does not make the photographs pornographic.

guess this answers my above question

I hope so because I'm at a loss to understand how you can draw all these parallels between photographs of people wearing ordinary clothing in public and pornography, sexual assault, pedophilia, and even arson. To my mind, you're making a mountain out of a molehill. More boggling was a previous example of your penis slipping out of jogging shorts and not being disturbed by it so long as when other people see it, they're not turned on by it.

It may surprise you to learn that other people routinely look at the sexual attributes of other people in public and most of the rest of the world isn't shocked by it. Indeed, many people in western society wear clothing and cosmetics that enhance their sexual attraction in public. Ever leave the house with a woman and she suddenly stops and says, "Oops, I need to put on my face!," and then runs to check her makeup? High heels, a very common type of shoe, is specifically designed to not only make women appear taller, but to cause their asses to be thrust further back and their busts to be thrust further forward. Women wear décolletage, and even enhancing brassieres in public all so that they look more sexually attractive.

Many men wear trousers that enhance their bulges, front and rear, make their shoulders appear broader, and their waists narrower. A few men even wear makeup and workout to achieve a chiseled body.

The fact is that people routinely dress to appear sexually attractive both in private and public. To deny that they do and to take offense that someone might find these attempts sexually appealing, is naive at least, disingenuous at worst. Some people, let's use nuns as an example, may purposely try to dress in the most unappealing sexual manner possible, but again, there may be men and women out there who find nuns in habits to be very sexually stimulating so even a nun in full habit may find herself the object of sexual attraction.

If a photographer wants to take a picture of someone in public because the photographer finds that person attractive, then the photographer can do so. In western society we acknowledge that each of us has a responsibility for our appearance in public. We may dress to be sexually appealing or not, we may sit or stand or walk in such a way that may be sexually appealing or not. As with the nuns, not everyone finds the same appearances to be sexually appealing, so there's no hard and fast rule about this. When we leave our homes we're taking a chance that some people may think we're hot, or not. A photograph in this instance, is a moment captured in time; it's a split second visual record of something we have done and place where we were. If we do something that appears sexually provocative to a photographer, then the photographer is free to capture that moment. That pose, that action, in that instant, was visible to everyone within visual range. The only thing that a photograph does is capture the moment of the action and appearance which we ourselves have offered to the public. That is why if we expose something that we didn't mean to or appeared to be doing something that we didn't mean to, it's our fault. We appeared or behaved that way in public. The photographer just happened to capture it on film.

We cannot control what the photographer does with that picture. It could end up in a newspaper, in a collage, maybe in a photo album, or yes, it could even end-up in a nightstand or the internet and promoted as masturbation material. We offered ourselves for public exposure, we were responsible for how we were dressed and how we acted. If others find it sexually appealing, then there is nothing we can do about it because we cannot control what others find sexually appealing. We just have to live with it.

Do not equate any of this with being nude in your home, being nude in a private place, undressing in a changing room, or taking photographs of nude children for prurient purposes. All of those are different situations which are addressed in law because those situations usually confer a legal expectation of some degree of privacy which does not exist in general public. Odd as it may sound, photograph a well-hung stud on the beach and you're legal. Photograph a well-hung stud in his jockeys in a changing room and you're not legal. There are exceptions to the rule, however in open general public, such as on the subway, sunbathing on a public beach, or walking down the street, expectations of privacy drop to nearly nothing.
 
2

2322

Guest
So if they took pictures of your female loved ones while they are wearing bathing suits or say, just their breasts (while clothed) and posted it on a website or blog called, saggytittedsluts.com, then you or your loved ones wouldn't mind? You guys would just laugh it off? I'm pretty sure I can speak for my loved ones and say they would be devastated and distraught and I would be too. But maybe that's just me.

Yeah, they likely would be upset but it doesn't make the photographs illegal in and of themselves. What might be illegal is promoting the images for commercial purposes which is not the case here.
 

marleyisalegend

Loved Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2007
Posts
6,126
Media
1
Likes
620
Points
333
Age
38
Location
charlotte
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
Yeah, they likely would be upset but it doesn't make the photographs illegal in and of themselves. What might be illegal is promoting the images for commercial purposes which is not the case here.

okay maybe we need another scenario. a man is videotaping a pre-teen girl practicing soccer. he tries to remain obscure and unnoticed, and only intends to masturbate to this video, there's no web distribution involved. this is acceptable?? should the pre-teen practice with her hands covering her chest and in a full-body sweatsuit?? this is acceptable right??
 

HyperHulk

Experimental Member
Joined
May 12, 2007
Posts
825
Media
1
Likes
14
Points
163
Location
Sydney, Oz
Sexuality
50% Straight, 50% Gay
Gender
Male
Yeah, they likely would be upset but it doesn't make the photographs illegal in and of themselves. What might be illegal is promoting the images for commercial purposes which is not the case here.

Again, test your theory. Take your camera and walk around the beach taking pictures of the women wearing their bikini tops and see whether or not you can be charged with anything.
 

husky14620

Experimental Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2005
Posts
179
Media
0
Likes
6
Points
163
Age
67
Location
Rochester, Western NY
Sexuality
100% Gay, 0% Straight
Gender
Male
hulk i'm beginning to think these people are either fucking with me or they grew up in homes where no one ever wore clothes. seriously, we're defending taking pictures of people's genitilia just because it's in public??

anybody with children?? tell me how you'd respond to some pervert taking pictures of your pre-teen daughter and telling you get over it, you're in public. you're in public, and your daughter's breasts just happen to be the focal point of the shot, though this can easily be argued down. better yet, he can take an upper-torso pic and zoom in when he gets home.

First, your original post had nothing to do with exposed genitalia. It was about crotch shots on a public street, so stop trying to redefine the issue.

Second, if someone exposes themselves in public, THEY are the pervert, for doing so. So IF I had a daughter whose breasts were somehow photographed in PUBLIC, I'd be more angry with that daughter for being an exhibitionist than with the photographer who caught the shot.

And most digital cameras, unless they are above 8 megapixel, can't zoom that far without distortion, especially the phone cameras that a lot of these public pictures are take with.


marleyislegend said:
for the record i've been gay my whole life and completely out since 04. ask every person i've worked with, partied with, or gone on vacation with since then.

So you have been out for 4 years. Get back to me in 30. For I too have been gay all my life, and came out at 17: 34 years ago. And even when I "came up" we weren't as uptight as you seem to be. For someone who is 99% Gay, you are one of the most prudish people I have ever seen. 30 years ago, you would have been run out of town on a rail as a "queer" in North Carolina. 10 years ago, you would have gone to jail for having consensual gay sex in North Carolina. The people of your state sent Jesse Helms to the U.S. Senate FIVE times, now there was a REAL pervert.

You seem to think that all those groping videos on YouTube or where-ever are real. Grow Up! They're not! Anyone doing that in real life could probably be convicted of sexual assault. Of course, a lot of people fantasize about doing or receiving it. That doesn't make it real.

Of course, at your age, I too had a stick up the butt. One day, hopefully, you'll get over it.
 

marleyisalegend

Loved Member
Joined
Oct 3, 2007
Posts
6,126
Media
1
Likes
620
Points
333
Age
38
Location
charlotte
Sexuality
99% Gay, 1% Straight
Gender
Male
Again, test your theory. Take your camera and walk around the beach taking pictures of the women wearing their bikini tops and see whether or not you can be charged with anything.

hulk its obvious that they're only interested in looking at the aspects that prove me wrong. not a single fucking one of these people would continue mowing the lawn when they realize a man across the street is filming their mom's bosom while she's just sitting on the porch reading a book, doing nothing to be provocative other than existing. they know what i'm talking about even if my wording leave loopholes for these things to be technically legal.