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seems like most members of this thread wouldn't mind, though they're not at liberty to speak for everyone else at the beach
No, we don't need another scenario. I've tried very hard to help you understand why the laws and the common public believe this is a non-issue, but you continually redirect the argument to examples which have nothing to do with the original premise as if they were somehow related. Somewhere there's a disconnect that doesn't understand that it is an action which is a crime, not an intention. Intentions can be considered in adjudicating a crime, but without the action of the crime itself, the intention alone isn't criminal. You are essentially outraged that thought isn't policed. Do you really think it's credible for police to ask everyone brining a camcorder to a kids' soccer game if they're filming the game for sexual interest? Do you think they'd get a straight answer? Maybe we should ban all cameras from juvenile sporting events, or maybe we should ban spectators altogether because one of them just might be a pedophile. As has been mentioned, you need to prove that harm was done to the person being photographed for a civil or criminal action to be valid. If this guy takes his video and goes home and masturbates to it then he'll do just that and there's nothing we can do about it. You can't live your life in fear of being the object of unwanted sexual attraction.
Sally Mann is famous photographer whose second book, Immediate Family, contained nude photographs of her children. She's well aware that pedophiles may be buying her book even though her work is not considered to be pornographic. Try reading her interview in the New York Times and then view some of her work which is all over the internet. See what you think.
I liked the case in Maryland, where the girl gave the guy head and wanted to fuck him silly, then after a few minutes changed her mind and told him no. It took him 5 seconds to process this info and he pulled out. He was charged and convicted of rape, thus the 5 second rule. what say ye>
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You sir, would be wrong. Read this story where a teacher was charged for filming the crotches of female wrestlers:
Teacher's Videos Spark Criminal Charge, Accused Of Close-Ups, Without Girls' Consent, For Illegal Purpose - CBS News
So this comes down to what state you live in, what laws are on the books and what your intent is.
It will be interesting to see what happens to this case. A man in Texas who was charged with photographing up the skirt of a 16 year old girl in a changing room had his case dismissed earlier this year because the judge ruled that there was not enough expectation of privacy in the store's changing room. If that's the case, then I expect Ware's case will be similarly dismissed. If Texas's peeping tom law can't protect a 16 year old girl in a changing room, then it has no hope of protecting girls playing on an open sports field. Sounds like the cops were reaching really far on this one. As the defendant's lawyer pointed out, what happens when fans videotape the Dallas Cheerleaders, who wear substantially less?
once again, people are spending more time finding loopholes in my argument when i'm almost SURE they understand what type of behavior i'm speaking against. i'm completely comfortable with nudity, when my boyfriend isn't home i'm almost always naked (i don't do so when he's here because eating chocolate everyday will make you sick of it). i'm in no way shape or form prudish this is simply an issue of respecting other people's space and privacy. ONCE AGAIN, no one who is arguing against me has said that they wouldn't mind if it was their loved one being taped sitting on the porch or their child being filmed at soccer practice. any one who's arguing AGAINST what i'm saying, go to the beach and start filming, zero in on men's crotches and women's breasts and see if everyone says "it's okay, i'm in public so i expect this. i may not have worded my initial post perfectly and without flaw, but more people are focusing on THAT than the real issue at hand, one that they readily defend until i suggest bringing a family member into the mix.
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Marley, I don't people are saying that such behaviour is laudable, merely that in many jurisdictions it's simply not illegal, nor merits undue concern and that the alternative is to hold oneself hostage to a misplaced paranoia.
I can't understand why you seem to having such a hard time grasping that distinction.
you obviously haven't read the threads about this kind of behavior, i KNOW most of the stories on this site about this behavior are fake, but not all of them.
second, i'm not redefining the issue, i'm realizing that more people are concentrating on legal loopholes and megapixels than they are on the issue. again, i urge you, PLEASE tell me how you'd respond to a pervert filming your daughter practicing soccer for his own sexual purposes. you KNOW exactly what i'm talking about, but are more focused on the aspects that are escapable than the bigger issue at hand. the ARTICLE was about someone with megapixels, that's the only part you're responding to.
because i'm trying to talk about abusive and possibly damaging behavior but everybody else is concerned with legal loopholes and mega-pixels. again, i can't think of a single fucking person who wouldn't react if a pervert was filming their daughter while she practiced soccer. if i focus ONLY on the germans who weren't involved in the holocaust i could say it never happened because everybody i'm focusing on wasn't involved. this is less a discussion about perversion which some seem to believe doesn't exist or are defending it because i'm speaking about gay men and they're taking offense. but the conversation is explicitly about how someone can escape being labeled a pervert because their camera doesn't have enough mega-pixels.
i feel COMPLETELY fucking vindicated and justified because everybody shuts the fuck up as soon as it becomes personal and applies to family members. it's deserved when its a stranger or a hypothetical person and nothing's wrong with it, but as soon as you bring loved ones into the fray noone has a goddamn thing to say.
i tell you what if my daughters at a soccer field practicing for school and some pervert is filming her, i'm not going to say "she's in public she asked for it, it's okay cuz his camera doesn't have enough mega-pixels to zoom in and get a GOOD shot of her bosom" i'm going to send that camera somewhere it'll get a great shot of the perverts insides.
there ARE perverts in this world who violate other people otherwise there wouldn't be sex-crime laws and there are people who are simply sexual. many members of this thread are trying to prove my wrong by focusing on the latter but again, if i focus only on the germans who weren't involved in the holocaust, i could argue that it didn't happen.
well gee no one seems lightening-quick in defending these behaviors when it applies to loved ones. where'd everybody go?? i thought all this was okay?? how come you get so silent in your defenses when family members are brought into the mix?? where's all my opposition??
I did defend it but you've decided to ignore that.
Perversion is a social construct. It's a moral state deemed to exist when a society believes certain sexual desires and behaviors are unacceptable to the members of the society and those members believe they have authority to stand in moral judgment of other members of that society.
I hope it's not lost on you that many people here in your own society believe you are perverted and are just as shocked and morally outraged that people like you are allowed in public and not locked-up or even put to death.
Perversion is a social construct. It's a moral state deemed to exist when a society believes certain sexual desires and behaviors are unacceptable to the members of the society and those members believe they have authority to stand in moral judgment of other members of that society.
I hope it's not lost on you that many people here in your own society believe you are perverted and are just as shocked and morally outraged that people like you are allowed in public and not locked-up or even put to death.
once again, you've said nothing about your family members. you admit to defending it, but make no correlations to what would happen if these behaviors were inflicted upon your loved ones. guess it's like saying it's okay that they're starving in 3rd world countries cuz my family is well-fed. it's almost laughable that you guys argue against me something that you wouldn't accept in your own lives and with those close to you.
okay, than i urge, i dare you to go to anyone's front yard, stand on the sidewalk, and videotape their genitilia as they wash their car or cut their grass or play with the dog. see what kinda reaction you get. there are plenty of things that are morally and basically wrong that aren't covered by a law. PLEASE come back and share the results. if nobody cares cuz it's your right to use that camera.
I don't own a videocamera and we don't have sidewalks here. Short of that, I doubt anyone could know I'm photographing their genitals. They'll just see me taking pictures. Beyond all that, I'm not someone who gets off on that sort of thing and while it may be legal, I think it's very rude.
So no. Like bear hunting or beating my wife on the courthouse steps on a Sunday, just because it's legal doesn't mean I want to do it.
I am not sure what you want, but I would not care one bit if someone photographed my daughter playing soccer, my mother coming out of the house, or any of my family members in public. If they are dressed decently and are comfortable with what they chose to wear, who would care if someone photographed them. You are welcome to photograph my son mowing the lawn any time you want. Even if he takes his shirt off. It is not indecent, and he should not feel embarassed. You can photograph us at the beach if you want. My family is not ashamed of what they wear to the beach. My family members have nothing to be ashamed of. They are not going to be embarassed. And none of their friends would think less of them. And you can post the photos on the internet. Any decent person will only see a cute girl playing soccer, a young man mowing the lawn, a family enjoying the day at the beach. I don't really care what some pervert thinks. It is him that has twisted something out of this whole thing.
None of this is offensive to me. Does that shock you? I don't get what I should be upset about. When my kids were playing soccer, you could shoot any pictures of them you want. They were quite adorable, but not very sexual, sorry.
And you should be ashamed of yourself for labeling this thread gay pervert. You owe us all an apology. Quite frankly I find that more offensive than any of your worries about photographing my family.
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There are a lot of perverts out there so yeah there are gay perverts. I just dont think that gay men (or black women) are the cleanest people in the world, but that was just what I was raised to think
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I guess it will never stop being shocking to me that someone could think this, let alone write this so openly and not feel any shame.
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This is very true. Can you even begin to count how many men have molested their daughters, nieces, etc? People don't think about it very much, but if you were to sit for just 5 minutes and think about how many sick things are being done to helpless and innocent people all over the world right now, you would undoubtedly hate the human race.
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