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And for the time being, I'll leave alone your snarky comment about gays being forced to participate in christian advocacy.

Great. Why don't you leave me alone altogether in light of the fact that you are responding to things I have said in direct response to someone else?
 

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Honestly. If it was an "opinion" piece, then he did what he set out to do. Give his opinion on the fire cheif making it mandatory to march in the pride parade.

If this was a local news piece, it would be a horrendous piece of trash that shouldn't be tolerated by any news outfit.

Legal action sought by said firefighters is, I think, justified. They were put in a situation where they felt mistreated and offended. Marching in the parade against their will was definitely beyond the level of a Diversity training session. (no offense, Speedoguy). Althought gay pride events are geared towards building acceptance of the gay community and uplifting it, appreciating someone for who they are is an act that needs support from both sides.

If you want to be respected by someone, you need to respect them. It's just common sense. You show someone that you are equal by living your life as an equal, not by forcing them to believe that you are an equal by any means necessary.
 

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Great. Why don't you leave me alone altogether in light of the fact that you are responding to things I have said in direct response to someone else?
Only if you promise you'll do the same.

Actually, please explain to me why you feel you are entitled to respond to any given post in this forum, but I am not?
 

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Only if you promise you'll do the same.

Actually, please explain to me why you feel you are entitled to respond to any given post in this forum, but I am not?

C'mon, you know what I'm talking about. You're taking comments I made to mindseye that were specifically directed to something he said, and responding as if they were directed to something you said. It's opportunistic context-shifting, and it makes it look like I'm being completely unfair to you.
 

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And for the time being, I'll leave alone your snarky comment about gays being forced to participate in christian advocacy.

I have read all the posts. You were quick to get inflamed at a straight christian being "forced" to attend a gay function, but you didn't comment on gay non-christians being "forced" to participate in christian functions. Which do you think occurs more often?

(And just a guess - do you vote republican?)

True in an ideal world, but what have you done to make us all basically equal at core? I have yet to see you post anything at all regarding straights mistreating of gays, but you take every opportunity to post whatever you can find about gays mistreating straights (which you do, about every 10 months or so). I'll ask you what I asked lisasdong: which do you think occurs more often? By your reasoning, if us "gay folk" would just shut up and stop whining, the discrimination will go away.
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Also, there's the hypocrisy. If straights say faggot it's hatespeech. If gays say breeder it's not. I enjoy pointing out instances of this writ large. Like this thread and the one midseye mentioned.
So, once again, there's the question of frequency. I know you enjoy pointing this out, but then again, you point it out infrequently - because it happens (proportionally) infrequently.

Again, for emphasis, I will ask you... are you saying that if we just shut up, the problem will go away?

And again, I'll put the challenge out there for you. I'll even narrow the field. Once a week, you post all the articles you can find, in which a gay person has fired a straight employee for being straight, or murdered a straight person for being straight. And once a week, I'll post all the articles I can find in which a straight person fires a gay employee for being gay, or in which a straight person murders a gay person for being gay. Let's see who has the longer list.

If you think that's whining or looking for handouts or entitlements, you may have some pathology going on there.[/quote]

Don't shut up. Just don't imagine imaginary shit.

Most if us 'breeders' couldn't give a shit. We're not necessarily homophobes. But we me may be getting tired of being forcefed your agenda.

*time to bring the victim response*
 

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So, once again, there's the question of frequency. I know you enjoy pointing this out, but then again, you point it out infrequently - because it happens (proportionally) infrequently.

Again, for emphasis, I will ask you... are you saying that if we just shut up, the problem will go away?

And again, I'll put the challenge out there for you. I'll even narrow the field. Once a week, you post all the articles you can find, in which a gay person has fired a straight employee for being straight, or murdered a straight person for being straight. And once a week, I'll post all the articles I can find in which a straight person fires a gay employee for being gay, or in which a straight person murders a gay person for being gay. Let's see who has the longer list.

If you think that's whining or looking for handouts or entitlements, you may have some pathology going on there.

Don't shut up. Just don't imagine imaginary shit.

Most if us 'breeders' couldn't give a shit. We're not necessarily homophobes. But we me may be getting tired of being forcefed your agenda.

*time to bring the victim response*[/quote]

What exactly is the "agenda"?
 

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What the fire-chief did was wrong; forcing the men to participate in the parade showed a lack of judgment. However, I don't think she deserves to lose her job because of it. The maximum comeuppance should be suspension or, perhaps, even a demotion.

The writer of the article [Steve Yuhas] says:

Jarman lacks the ability to make good decisions on the simplest of issues and since she lacked it on the issue of forcing men to be sexually harassed by throngs of gays looking for a cheap firefighter thrill – she probably lacks it on the bigger issues too.

...and that's both presumptuous and unfair. Then again, his letter is filled with so much vitriol and homophobia I'm surprised he didn't suggest a hanging.
 

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What's more, the article suggests that Jarman knew her subordinates were going to be "sexually-harassed". This is evident in his critique of her judgment here:

(...)and since she lacked [judgement] on the issue of forcing men to be sexually harassed by throngs of gays looking for a cheap firefighter thrill (...)

This, of course, begs the question: how would Jarman know her employees would be "subjected" to this type of behavior from the parade participants?

Well, according to the writer of the article, there were "thousands of gathered perverts" who were "pretending to be something they're not."
 

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Don't shut up. Just don't imagine imaginary shit.

Most if us 'breeders' couldn't give a shit. We're not necessarily homophobes. But we me may be getting tired of being forcefed your agenda.

*time to bring the victim response*
Just as I am tired of being forcefed your agenda.

And if you didn't give a shit, then why did you even bring it up in the first place?
 

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But I can't deny I get weary of seeing my race and orientation so often being used as a doormat for social ills.
We live in a society where everyone loves a scapegoat. I suppose this is human nature. There is not a single person whose "race" and orientation are used as doormats for social ills by one group or another. To the extent that straight white males are blamed for problems the nonstraight, the nonwhite and the nonmales are blamed a hundred times over.
 

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the firemen are acting like wimps.....they need to butch it up. something tells me the the rightwing law firm had lot to do with this... the firehouse is in hillcrest ........duhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 

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Shelby has used this tactic from time to time since I became aware of him on this board.

Post something inflamatory, then if his intended "victims" make a comment, he belittles them for playing the victim. Yet he says "don't shut up, just don't imagine the imaginary." What the fuck?

I'll ask again, Shelby, what was the point of posting this in the first place?

I'll go first...

Govt vs. homosexuality

Let me know when you find an article about a lawmaker who wants to impeach judges who rule in favor of heterosexuals.
 

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Do you give a shit, that I dont give a shit, that you dont give a shit, that we all dont give a shit, about giving a shit about shit?

I dunno..Im chiming in late on this one.. I read the article...and I guess I didn't see where he Flamed the Gay community other than stating a fact about the parades.

Im all for being out and Proud, but by the sounds of it...The only thing that was out, is control.

If we are going to say that Gay and Lesbian people are just as capable as any hetero counterpart, (Which they are), then why do we need to display boobies, and horny old men shouting obscenities out in the crowd, or Half naked dancers on floats??

Hetero or Gay, that crap doesnt "Float" with me, especially when your trying to express cultural unity with the rest of the world.
These are the types of things that continue to drive a wedge in peoples mentality about the LGBT community.

I agree with the article. Because:
1. The Fire chief forced her employees to do something that was against their morals.
2. She put her personal agenda first, before community safety.
3. She brought her sexuality to the forefront in a BUSINESS environment.
4. She wasted taxpayer money on fuel, and resources for that parade.

She should be fired. I dont think a lawsuit will do much good, unless it is to remove her from ever being in a position to manage people.

If the Police Chief is doing it too, then Fire Him/Her too.
If it goes higher up, then remove them as well.
 

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I dunno..Im chiming in late on this one.. I read the article...and I guess I didn't see where he Flamed the Gay community other than stating a fact about the parades.
You are kidding, right? Stating a fact?
If we are going to say that Gay and Lesbian people are just as capable as any hetero counterpart, (Which they are), then why do we need to display boobies, and horny old men shouting obscenities out in the crowd, or Half naked dancers on floats??
I would venture to guess that there are more "displayed boobies, horny men (would it be different if they were young?) shouting obscenities in a crowd, and half-naked dancers at any popular spring break destination. I don't see too many articles about how traumatic it is for the residents of those locations, nor such pejorative descriptions of them.
Hetero or Gay, that crap doesnt "Float" with me, especially when your trying to express cultural unity with the rest of the world.
These are the types of things that continue to drive a wedge in peoples mentality about the LGBT community.
And you don't think that was Shelby's sole purpose in posting it? To drive wedges, and perpetuate that mentality? Do you agree that if gays were not so often treated as second-class citizens, then gay pride parades would not even exist?
 

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I dunno..Im chiming in late on this one.. I read the article...and I guess I didn't see where he Flamed the Gay community other than stating a fact about the parades. Im all for being out and Proud, but by the sounds of it...The only thing that was out, is control.

If we are going to say that Gay and Lesbian people are just as capable as any hetero counterpart, (Which they are), then why do we need to display boobies, and horny old men shouting obscenities out in the crowd, or Half naked dancers on floats??

Hetero or Gay, that crap doesnt "Float" with me, especially when your trying to express cultural unity with the rest of the world.
These are the types of things that continue to drive a wedge in peoples mentality about the LGBT community.

Wonderful post. Gets it exactly right - thank you.