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Libtard?
A portmanteau of liberal and retard?
Do you think it is OK to use offensive terms like that? It weakens your argument.


Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel years ago and peace has reigned supreme between the three of them. The Palestinians will also have peace if and when they decide they love their children more than they hate the Israeli Jews. Only a "Dyke March" or "Slut Walk" libtard moron would side with the Palestinians. The Israelis support the rights of gays, women, the environment yet many liberals support the Palestinians who support NONE of those things.
 

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the feeling amongst left-leaning liberals (I am such a card carrying leftie myself) that Israel is the dominant oppressive state and the Palestinians are the victims.
That doesn't include me, and I think you're trying to represent most if not all liberals thinking that Palestinians are victims. Speak only for yourself.
 
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That doesn't include me, and I think you're trying to represent most if not all liberals thinking that Palestinians are victims. Speak only for yourself.
Fair enough.
I think it is a common view amongst liberals, definitely most liberals that I know, but you are correct, I should be more precise with my language.
 
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No it doesn't. It might offend someone, but it has nothing to do with the argument.

Instead of sticking to a discussion which throws up a lot if interesting points you choose to degenerate it into personal insults towards those who disagree with you. Worse, the insults are based on cruel and offensive language - the kind of language that bullies use against vulnerable people with learning difficulties.

In my view (it is only my opinion as that is all I have) that means that you lose credibility.
 
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Fair enough.
I think it is a common view amongst liberals, definitely most liberals that I know, but you are correct, I should be more precise with my language.
To add a further clarification, I live in Europe where, in my experience, the dominant view amongst liberals re the Middle East is that Israel is an aggressor towards Palestinians (who are victims). Feelings in the US may be different.
 
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To add a further clarification, I live in Europe where, in my experience, the dominant view amongst liberals re the Middle East is that Israel is an aggressor towards Palestinians (who are victims). Feelings in the US may be different.

Feeling in the U.S., as in Europe, are divided.
 

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To add a further clarification, I live in Europe where, in my experience, the dominant view amongst liberals re the Middle East is that Israel is an aggressor towards Palestinians (who are victims). Feelings in the US may be different.

Yes, feelings are different: there's a very strong pro-Israel attitude out there in our electorate, and remember, Israel is a client state of the US: and not all of that is just for weapons--it's a huge subsidization for the entire national economy of Israel. Who knows where the money goes once it gets there? Politicians of both our parties court votes from American Jews, and the pro-Israeli lobby's very vocal and very-well-financed clout is considerable.

Then there are American evangelicals who do the 'God thing' about Israel, the chosen people, and, of course, 'The Holy Land'. And there's always the scare idea about Megiddo and immanentizing the eschaton... I don't see where this has as much significance in Europe, where there is stubbornly persistent anti-semitism (on the rise, apparently) and considerable relocation of European Jews to Israel, encouraged by Israeli representation of Europe as hostile to Jews. Perhaps the European fascination with its fascist and nationalist past and pressent accounts for some of the anti-Israel sentiment.

Israel is a also military ally, and the US has always regarded it as a stabilizing force in the middle east, which seems always to have more than its share of madmen. Plus Israel has been the underdog in a steady Arab and Persian effort to crush it from 1948 on--and Americans love an underdog. Palestinians as victims? Americans seem not to like victimhood.

Frankly, Israel is not a source of the rabid, insane, destabilizing religious elements that threaten Western values and the West itself.--far from it.

Am I pro-Israel? It depends on who commits the Insanity of the Day--Israelis or their combined middle-east adversaries.

A friend of mine suggested the best solution to the problems of the Middle East may to pave the whole region, and then to use that as a parking lot for a combine of religious theme parks.

And Europe? Well...it remains to be seen what happens there: I'm not optimistic. Look at your history.

Just my take, admittedly one opinion.
 
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Feeling in the U.S., as in Europe, are divided.
It definitely seams to be.
The left and parts of the right (mainly with anti-jewish thinking in general) think that Isreal is most responsible for the problem
The focus of the left is on the conditions of the Palestinians, created in large parts by Isreal, ignoring the terror done by some Palestinians.

There are different ways of arguementation, from criticizing the terror, to ignoring it, or even justify or at least "understand" the reasons for it.
But most of the time, the influence of regional powers gets ignored. A serious and emotionless discussion is barely possible. Even more so in Germany. (Not because Germans still think negative about jews in general, but because we fear someone could think so)
 
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A friend of mine suggested the best solution to the problems of the Middle East may to pave the whole region, and then to use that as a parking lot for a combine of religious theme parks.

Don't it always seem to go
that you don't know what you've got
'till it's gone?
They paved paradise
and put up a parking lot.