stud_hunter
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Matthew said:Just in case anyone was trying to imply that because things are worse for gays in Islamic countries, we should be happy with what we have here ... LOL. Fuck that noise.
Happy yes, satisfied no.
Matthew said:Just in case anyone was trying to imply that because things are worse for gays in Islamic countries, we should be happy with what we have here ... LOL. Fuck that noise.
Matthew said:Just in case anyone was trying to imply that because things are worse for gays in Islamic countries, we should be happy with what we have here ... LOL. Fuck that noise.
If I'd been slightly more awake, I'd have found and referenced the bit where God commands his followers to put to death any followers of other gods they meet, and go to the town from where they came, kill everyone, put all their belongings in the middle of the town and burn them, and the town must never be lived in again.madame_zora said:This is some seriously funny stuff. Someguy, I actually pulled out my Bible and read that passage, but the whole thing is a hoot:
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Thanks for posting that, someguy, it's good to discover where these half-truths come from.
Matthew said:Matthew Shepard's happy.
Matthew said:Matthew Shepard's happy.
Matthew said:Yeah, it was probably a mistake to focus on that one example. It was so high-profile that it gives the impression that it was exceptional. But men and women are murdered reguarly and often in the US for being queer. Not all their names make the front page, even in the communities where they live.
The diversion of this thread into criticism of Islam is a pretty common tactic for those who take exception to criticism of the US/Christianity in general. I think that was Shelby's motivation, at least. And I am well aware that it's worse in many other countries, just as I'm aware it's better in a few. But the idea that gays in the US should be "happy" about the state of things here strikes me as patronizing.
Matthew said:...
The diversion of this thread into criticism of Islam is a pretty common tactic for those who take exception to criticism of the US/Christianity in general. I think that was Shelby's motivation, at least. And I am well aware that it's worse in many other countries, just as I'm aware it's better in a few. But the idea that gays in the US should be "happy" about the state of things here strikes me as patronizing.
GoneA said:I love how the Catholic groups call themselves "courage" ... what correlation are they trying to make exactly?
"all"?? Are there millions?regularguy said:What do you all think about all the gay re-orientation that's going on?
Spoogesicle said:The Catholic organization that encourages gay Catholics to accept and embrace their sexuality has a positive name. That group is called Dignity.
GoneA said:I was actually going to make a comment about that as this thread progressed; however, I wanted to be sure my knowledge on the subject was adequate. Google is helpful, but I wanted a more exhaustive search. The existence of this organization shows the great strides that we've made as a people, yet it also highlights how far we have to go. That is, because there is a place of acceptance means that there must be a place of rejection - that, after all, is the real tragedy here.
To that end, it's organizations like Dignity (using bold is contagious) that make it important for us not to generalize about the church's stand on sexuality. While these types of associations might not be in majority, they exist nonetheless and they offer us a glimmer of hope in the night.
hypolimnas said:Refrain:
All things bright and beautiful, :smile:
all creatures great and small,
all things wise and wonderful: :redface:
the Lord God made them all.:wink:
1. Each little flower that opens,
each little bird that sings,
God made their glowing colors,
and made their tiny wings.
(Refrain)
2. The purple-headed mountains,
the river running by,
the sunset and the morning
that brightens up the sky.
(Refrain)
3. The cold wind in the winter,
the pleasant summer sun,
the ripe fruits in the garden:
God made them every one.
(Refrain)
4. God gave us eyes to see them,
and lips that we might tell
how great is God Almighty,
who has made all things well.
(Refrain)
But it is important to keep in mind that Dignity is NOT a part of the Vatican's catholic church, it is an independent non-profit organization. The official church stance remains unchanged - and misguided.Spoogesicle said:The Catholic organization that encourages gay Catholics to accept and embrace their sexuality has a positive name. That group is called Dignity.
SomeGuyOverThere said:If like me, you practically vomitted your guts out to that song, here is the Montey Python version, which makes a good point:
SomeGuyOverThere said:All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Oh yes, the version we used to sing. Much better! Thanks for the reminder.