Gay Rights Not Fairing Well in State Initiatives

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  1. jason_els

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    There's more than California on the line. Bigotry is alive and well in many states. Clearly we have a lot of work to do.:frown1:

    Not everything is a victory tonight but I hope that if Obama can say, "we shall overcome," then so can we.

    On the table tonight are 4 ballot measures regarding gay rights. As it is now:

    Arizona Prop 102:

    Seeks to ban gay marriage in the state. Current figures with 81% reporting:
    Yes 56%
    No 44%
    Arkansas Initiative 1:

    Seeks to ban gays from adopting children. Current figures with 58% reporting:
    Yes 57%
    No 43%

    Florida Amendment 2
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    Seeks to ban gay marriage. Current figures with 91% reporting:
    Yes 62%
    No 38%
    California Proposition 8:

    Seeks to ban gay marriage. Current figures with 11% reporting:
    Yes 54%
    No 46%
     
  2. B_Nick4444

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    includes two States that turned themselves over to Obama

    so "revolution" is not what they were voting for, perhaps?
     
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    :fingersx: on prop 8, we must defeat all this bullshit.
     
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    Red State

    Red State

    Old State

    WTF?
     
  5. marleyisalegend

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    Gay men need to come out of the fucking closet, quit dancing to Donna Summers and start getting active. There are pro-gay candidates all over the US but they don't get as much attention as Zac Efron.
     
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    It is unconstitutional-
    No gay marriage ban proposition can survive court challenge...

    Propositions passed in California get overturned ALL THE TIME.
    The California state supreme court will not allow the California Constitution to be amended by simple majority in a proposition. And they have already ruled that the state may not discriminate on marriage.

    A prop saying discrimination is "okay" will not stand- the California State Supreme Court will deny it because NO State can pass a law contravening the Federal Constitution which demand equal treatment under the law.
     
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    im in australia and all this is making me real fucking mad

    why are people so ignorant?

    whyyyyyyyy
     
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    This is all conservatives have left to hold onto in this Country after tonight; anti-abortion and anti-gay. They sure as hell don't have any power. lol
     
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    18% now reporting.

    Yes on 8: 54%

    No on 8: 45%

    This is BS~! No on 8 had a good lead in the public polls 3 months ago... until the LDS Church raised several millions for tv advertising (the commercials that claimed kindergarten children would be forced to learn about and accept the "gay lifestyle" if No on 8 prevailed).
     
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    but obviously theres some homophobic dem's too :(
     
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    No denying it. There are homophobes everywhere - even on lpsg.
     
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    So was slavery and that went on for 200+ years.

    I think attitudes towards homosexuality will change when these cowards come out of the closet and start getting involved in politics.

    Imagine how much longer the Civil Rights movement and Women's lib would've taken if, instead of marching and being vocal, they just hid in closets.

    It's very easy, when I decided to get involved I found resources almost immediately. Now I'm a member of several NC pro-gay politician forums and I get updates on important dates and events. It's that fucking easy.
     
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    omg its going to pass

    what about ellen's marriage and everything???

    people are so heartless
     
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    They do it all the time Phil! Arkansas, Florida, and Arizona are doing it right now.

    There are gay marriage bans all over this country and not a single state that has a ban recognizes the legitimacy of gay marriages/civil unions contracted outside of the state. The only way this can be settled is for the Supreme Court to enforce the full faith and credit clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. I do not believe that will happen under Roberts' tenure as Chief Justice. He can't touch it because he knows that SCOTUS will have to enforce it given previous rulings against miscegenation based upon that very clause.

    Justice Roberts suffered a seizure last year. Maybe he'll have to retire soon.
     
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    It is ridiculous and a civil rights issue, totally unconstitutional to deny people the right to marry.
     
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    From your mouth to god's ear. Congrats to you and all the other Obamabots (like me) on tonight, btw. You should hear NY. The city is going WILD celebrating!
     
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    Dude, the world is going wild. Have you seen the shots overseas? lol
     
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    Damn.... That's terrible that this is going to go YES. I was so hoping for NO. What's going to happen to everyone who got married since May in California?? Is it going to be like they never got married at all?
     
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    If we gotta lose this thing, at least John McCain is not gonna be president (that's at least a consolation - with the christian evangelicals urging a republican congress & a republican president to stop hate crime legislation, to push for a federal ban on marriage, etc).

    Can't believe Arkansas is voting to ban gays from adopting kids. That truly sucks. It's just strange (& radical) how people think they have a right to legislate law-abiding people's private lives....
     
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    No, their marriages are still legal. I wonder though how many are going to last, how many were just young, idealistic couples who rushed to get married just because they could.
     
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