Gay student speaks up to defend a teacher

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The world doesn't revolve around you honeybun

And I'm glad that it doesn't. I'm not greedy and selfish so I don't mind if the spotlight moves about and shines on others.

you can rest assured that I have no issue with your skin colour

I doubt that very much.

(I know you're desperate for me to care, just so I take an interest in your life). I'm more interested in culture and ideology, unfortunately for you you've adopted the very beliefs and opinions that irk me the most: lefty, wishy-washy liberalism.

You don't have to care. However, you're new around here so you don't know that it's pretty much expected of me to go after the ignorant people on this board (especially the Politics section) for spewing out hatred and ignorance. My beliefs and opinions are not 100% "lefty" either, so you can once again stop with the bullshit labeling. My grievance with you has nothing to do with political ideology. You're just an uneducated, hateful bigot... and I'll always have my phasers set on stun when people like you emerge.

You can pull out your bag of "isms" play the victim and pretend it's about that, but it's not and never will be.

I'm no victim. If anything, you're the one crying about your first amendment rights and your right to be a hateful son of a b****. That's precisely what victims do, so don't look in a mirror next time you try to categorize me. Because deep down you know engaging in hate speech is ethically wrong even if you think it's protected by our Constitution (or whatever set of ideological rules you want to play by). So stop acting stupid, or am I asking too much of you?
 

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Isn't this organisation called New Labour? Yeah it's been awful living under their regime, but I've managed to slip between the cracks so they were never able to catch up with me!


That's cute. A few years of a government you disapproved of, wow perhaps you really do understand what it means to live with hatred, persecution and discrimination over prolongued periods or the entirety of your life on a consistent or intermittent basis. :rolleyes:
 

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.....it's pretty much expected of me to go after the ignorant people on this board (especially the Politics section) for spewing out hatred and ignorance. You're just an uneducated, hateful bigot...

This is a simple communication breakdown, I find it happens a lot when I converse with lefties such as yourself. I say something like "as long as people aren't causing harm to others they should be able to say what they want and act how they please" and this is interpreted as "I believe that society should be able to openly attack and victimise minorites".

I seriously think that leftists suffer from some form of brain malfunction, a bit like colour blindness. Something is happening in reality but you're unable to distinguish between that and the inner workings of your own head, you only hear what you want to hear and see what you want see, regardless of the facts.
 

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That's cute. A few years of a government you disapproved of, wow perhaps you really do understand what it means to live with hatred, persecution and discrimination over prolongued periods or the entirety of your life on a consistent or intermittent basis. :rolleyes:


There are different types of discrimination though. I'll admit that it must be extremely tough being a gay person, particularly in a religious country such as Ireland. But there's a divide between one's personal life and the politics of public life, generally I don't tend to discuss the former as it's a completely private issue, it's not for me to make judgement's on someone's living arrangements.

If gay people experience hatred then my only solution would be to ensure that they're not burdened with extra restrictions as a result of them being gay. You can probably guess that I don't go for positive discrimination, I file laws against hate speech in roughly the same catergory. You can't force people to like you but you can ensure the rules of the game treat individuals as equals. That's fair isn't it? I would say treating everybody the same is the very essence of fairness, allowing special privileges in law (even if they're well intentioned) create tension and resentment, so they're ultimately counter~productive.

As for me yes I do feel persecuted by the government, I'm a white, childless working male that rents rather than owns a home. My personal income is treated as little more than government pocket money, money they spend on map-cap social engineering schemes or bankers' bonuses. There are plenty of people getting a free ride here in the UK, and I'm expected to foot the bill for all their largesse while going without myself. But hate laws won't help with any of this, they're nothing but extra restrictions that can potentially be used against me if I decide to speak out against any of this injustice.
 

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There are different types of discrimination though. I'll admit that it must be extremely tough being a gay person, particularly in a religious country such as Ireland. But there's a divide between one's personal life and the politics of public life, generally I don't tend to discuss the former as it's a completely private issue, it's not for me to make judgement's on someone's living arrangements.

If gay people experience hatred then my only solution would be to ensure that they're not burdened with extra restrictions as a result of them being gay. You can probably guess that I don't go for positive discrimination, I file laws against hate speech in roughly the same catergory. You can't force people to like you but you can ensure the rules of the game treat individuals as equals. That's fair isn't it? I would say treating everybody the same is the very essence of fairness, allowing special privileges in law (even if they're well intentioned) create tension and resentment, so they're ultimately counter~productive.

As for me yes I do feel persecuted by the government, I'm a white, childless working male that rents rather than owns a home. My personal income is treated as little more than government pocket money, money they spend on map-cap social engineering schemes or bankers' bonuses. There are plenty of people getting a free ride here in the UK, and I'm expected to foot the bill for all their largesse while going without myself. But hate laws won't help with any of this, they're nothing but extra restrictions that can potentially be used against me if I decide to speak out against any of this injustice.



Anti-hate speech legislation isn't about giving anyone special privileges, it protects you from hate speech just as it protects me. Nor are these laws about forcing people to like each other they are about preventing people from persecuting each other the difference is profound.

Anti-hate speech laws apply to everyone equally, how is that incompatible with equality?


Ireland isn't the backward religious hell of the 1950's so don't jump to any conclusions.

The fact that you think you pay high taxes does not amount to persecution. Speaking out against the fact that you think you pay high taxes would not amount to hate speech.
 
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Ireland isn't the backward religious hell of the 1950's so don't jump to any conclusions.

I wasn't jumping to any conclusions, I based my post on yours, the one where you mentioned living with "hatred, persecution and discrimination over prolongued periods".

If you're prepared to say that about your own country don't be shocked when others pick up on it.
 

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I wasn't jumping to any conclusions, I based my post on yours, the one where you mentioned living with "hatred, persecution and discrimination over prolongued periods".

If you're prepared to say that about your own country don't be shocked when others pick up on it.

Ha ha ha! you've found Hilaire now too! With VB in tandem. Classic!

Just start randomly quoting Lewis Carroll, because it's in his realms you are now dwelling:wink:
 

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Hate speech and bullying do not constitute a political view, and no civilised society would allow hate speech and bullying to shelter within the protections of freedom of speech.

The young man in this story is a rare and brave person and that school is beneath contempt for having treated the teacher who stood up for rights of pupils to be treated as equal human beings free from persecution for their sexuality in this fashion.

Young people kill themselves all the time, and everywhere because they suffer sustained and vicious persecution from their peers and others and not just because of their sexuality, anyone prepared to stand against this pernicious evil is a hero.


Bravo! Well said!
 

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This is a simple communication breakdown, I find it happens a lot when I converse with lefties such as yourself.

Still trying to get the "lefty" title to stick, eh? :rolleyes:
Knock yourself out, son. Unfortunately, this isn't an issue where you can say it over and over again and people just start to believe it.

I say something like "as long as people aren't causing harm to others they should be able to say what they want and act how they please" and this is interpreted as "I believe that society should be able to openly attack and victimise minorites".

Again, you don't read.
Just as I stated before, if someone right now called you a c****** my viewpoint wouldn't change. At that point, hate speech would be directed at you and that would be wrong. Hate speech does cause harm to people. It can unfairly target you in the same way it can victimize others. But telling someone whose motive is to victimize not to do so isn't an impediment on First Amendment rights... they're just telling you to watch your damn mouth. Do yourself a favor and READ next time before you open your blindly ideological, bigoted mouth. That way you won't look so stupid.

I seriously think that leftists suffer from some form of brain malfunction, a bit like colour blindness. Something is happening in reality but you're unable to distinguish between that and the inner workings of your own head, you only hear what you want to hear and see what you want see, regardless of the facts.

Well the problem for you is... I'm not color blind. I'd have to be really naive and ignorant to my surroundings to ignore who I am and where I come from. I embrace difference, but reject ignorance. Bigoted & blinded ideological thinkers such as yourself want everyone to adhere to this phony ideal of equality and colorblindness so that you can tout about some imaginary injustice that has been done to people with your beliefs and physical appearance. When the bottom line is, even with all of the Civil Rights Acts, legislation and amendments we've passed to push true equality, people with your beliefs and physical appearance STILL have all of the the advantages as soon as you're born. That's a fact that you will never grasp, because your ideological beliefs keep you too blind and stupid to see reality from a different angle. Instead, you'll claim that it's a sign of "playing the victim". And as I sit here in a wonderful 1 bedroom condo in New York with the prospect of purchasing a house with my beau back in my hometown as well (and during a recession), believe me when I say that I'm no victim.

You're not ready for this discussion by ANY stretch of the imagination. It's in your best interest to step aside.
Damn, who let in the demon spawn of Wyldguschaz in here? :rolleyes:
 

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I wasn't jumping to any conclusions, I based my post on yours, the one where you mentioned living with "hatred, persecution and discrimination over prolongued periods".

If you're prepared to say that about your own country don't be shocked when others pick up on it.

When did I say that about my own country? I wasn't describing the country I live in or the country I come from, I'm actually English, from London, I just happen to live here. I was describing the experiences many people (including myself) go through, regardless of their place of residence, either for prolonged periods or for their entire life in one form or another. I have experienced prejudice of various kinds ever since I was in infant's school. These days it's less common because I happen to spend most of my time living or working in countries with strong laws (of the kind you seem to oppose) against it, and in which gradual cultural and political change is making prejudice less socially acceptable and because I am able to limit my exposure to it.

This is beside the point though.

Oh and Crackoff you can consider the compliment repaid. Lewis Carol would make infinitely more sense than most of the tripe you post.
 
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The decision to suspend her was the right one imo, how dare she reprimand a student for expressing a political preference.
Before you guys jump down my throat consider whether you think it's ok to discipline a student for expressing another viewpoint, lets say support for the removal of troops from Iraq.

I'm not expecting any consistency from you lot on this one btw, I know that you'll happily support classroom chastisement when individuals express views that you disagree with but perform a 180 when students echo your own biggoted opinions.

No, it was right to reprimand a student for harrassing another student in the classroom. It's counterproductive.

Viewpoint and harrassment are two different things.
Fuck Yes Pull the Troops from Iraq. They don't belong there.

Whos the bigot??
 
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The world doesn't revolve around you honeybun, you can rest assured that I have no issue with your skin colour (I know you're desperate for me to care, just so I take an interest in your life). I'm more interested in culture and ideology, unfortunately for you you've adopted the very beliefs and opinions that irk me the most: lefty, wishy-washy liberalism.

You can pull out your bag of "isms" play the victim and pretend it's about that, but it's not and never will be.

Hmm.... Sure does seem peculiar for a new user to be so up front and forceful.... sure seems like he/she/it has been here before..... The Troll Returns. (but for how long... :) )

I've come to the same conclusion myself, though I'm having a hard time recognizing this one because of the occasional Brit/Canadian/Aussie spelling tricks. I quoted the specific post above as distinctly American in voice, irrespective of the "u" in color :cool:

Without a doubt, he has the least authentic British voice I've ever read on the internet, and I've read thousands. His use of "liberal", "identity politics" and "taxpayer" (just to pick the most obvious), tells me there's something hollow and deeply disingenuous in his persona. He also seems to have a preternaturally precocious predisposition towards a couple of respected members here for such a n00b.
 

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When did I say that about my own country? I wasn't describing the country I live in or the country I come from, I'm actually English, from London, I just happen to live here. I was describing the experiences many people (including myself) go through, regardless of their place of residence, either for prolonged periods or for their entire life in one form or another. I have experienced prejudice of various kinds ever since I was in infant's school. These days it's less common because I happen to spend most of my time living or working in countries with strong laws (of the kind you seem to oppose) against it, and in which gradual cultural and political change is making prejudice less socially acceptable and because I am able to limit my exposure to it.

This is beside the point though.

Oh and Crackoff you can consider the compliment repaid. Lewis Carol would make infinitely more sense than most of the tripe you post.

The mad hatter has returned! Hate speech - invented by communist Russia - what we say is hate - we pick what is hate - the paranoid delusionals are running the show with Newspeak.

The reactionaries are all now leftwing! It used to be the right that censored, now it's the left. Haha it's all leftwing fascists now! (and that was on the BBC a couple of nights ago talking about satire!)

There have already been some right onner's who've racially stereotyped the girl with the Confederate belt. Bigotry only goes one way yup. Hate speech incarnate.

Hilaire - you're a card - all kids suffer abuse - only truly self obssessed narcissisitic personalities let it go on & on & on droning away like a stuck drugged pig.I got physically attacked by groups a lot when I was younger just for the way I looked - it gave me some awesome cheekbones. Deal with it.

I bet the only fights you've been in are the ones you started!

Mwah!

Change 'communist' to 'hate speech,' McCarthyism is alive and well - DailyHerald.com
Hate speech, sex speech, free speech - Google Books
 

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Without a doubt, he has the least authentic British voice I've ever read on the internet, and I've read thousands. His use of "liberal", "identity politics" and "taxpayer" (just to pick the most obvious), tells me there's something hollow and deeply disingenuous in his persona. He also seems to have a preternaturally precocious predisposition towards a couple of respected members here for such a n00b.

Wrong again without question.

Certainly as British as Joll, Jason, Dolfette & Dandelion. He's just jumped in, thought he was being reasonable, & got howled down by the LPSG Rainbow lynchmob that always does its best to hound & persecute. Hypocrites!

It's still divisive here! Consensus leads to inertia, however, it would be nice if we could just agree to disagree sometimes in a gentlemanly fashion.
 

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The mad hatter has returned! Hate speech - invented by communist Russia - what we say is hate - we pick what is hate - the paranoid delusionals are running the show with Newspeak.

The reactionaries are all now leftwing! It used to be the right that censored, now it's the left. Haha it's all leftwing fascists now! (and that was on the BBC a couple of nights ago talking about satire!)

There have already been some right onner's who've racially stereotyped the girl with the Confederate belt. Bigotry only goes one way yup. Hate speech incarnate.

Hilaire - you're a card - all kids suffer abuse - only truly self obssessed narcissisitic personalities let it go on & on & on droning away like a stuck drugged pig.I got physically attacked by groups a lot when I was younger just for the way I looked - it gave me some awesome cheekbones. Deal with it.

I bet the only fights you've been in are the ones you started!

Mwah!

Change 'communist' to 'hate speech,' McCarthyism is alive and well - DailyHerald.com
Hate speech, sex speech, free speech - Google Books


Boring.
 

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I've come to the same conclusion myself, though I'm having a hard time recognizing this one because of the occasional Brit/Canadian/Aussie spelling tricks. I quoted the specific post above as distinctly American in voice, irrespective of the "u" in color :cool:

Without a doubt, he has the least authentic British voice I've ever read on the internet, and I've read thousands. His use of "liberal", "identity politics" and "taxpayer" (just to pick the most obvious), tells me there's something hollow and deeply disingenuous in his persona. He also seems to have a preternaturally precocious predisposition towards a couple of respected members here for such a n00b.

You noticed that too? I am just sitting back and enjoying the show.Couldn't find the pop corn, so, share a beer with me Bbucko?:beerchug2::friday: