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so superbot i am curious to know the 705 more important issues that will influence your vote.
Actually it's quite selfish to use one's sexuality as a primary consideration.Being gay, for me, would rank about 706th on the list of importance,afterall we live in country populated by other people too.Besides what more is there to be said I'm gay.... and???
Personally, David Cameron is all for gay rights when questioned about it, but behind closed doors it seems to be a different matter. He recently stated he supports gay adoption yet voted against it twice. He also apologised for his support of Section 28 but back in 2003 when Labour got rid of the clause he supported a Tory amendment which Stonewall called "section 28 by the back door". He is pro-civil partnerships but again his track record of voting on gay issues is less than favourable. See this interesting chart by The Guardian. However Cameron does seem to be a changed man and has since shown his support of LGBT issues, it's a shame his voting record doesn't match his claims.
Labour have done a lot for gay rights, since they've been in power there have been many alterations to the law including introducing Civil Partnerships, equalling the age of consent, ended the ban on openly gay military personnel, allowed immigration to include same sex partners, allowing gay adoption and introduced homophobia as a hate crime to name just a few.
Liberal Democrats fully support the idea of gay marriage and launched a Marriage Without Borders campaign which would mean civil partnerships would have to be recognised internationally as well as domestically.
Some of us will find the gay rights issue a key choice when voting, others will see it as a non-issue, we are all different but none of us are wrong for selecting different issues as our reason for supporting a political party.
I am still undecided, but I think my vote will possibly be for Lib Dem.
Nope, never once been discriminated against in 45 yrs! QUOTE]
Agree again, i can honestly say i have never been discriminated against, i am not saying that it does not happen,but the same same happens to women, ethnic groups etc.But it never ceases to amaze me how quick the Gay card and discrimination does come out for really silly things,example a couple of guys at work were applying for a job, both lazy people who generaly upset the office with their sexual behaviours of their conquests etc, were offended when women were talking about sex??, but decided if they did not get the job they would say they were being discriminated against??.
Apologies OP for off topic.
I am still undecided, but I think my vote will possibly be for Lib Dem.
The UK electoral system is unfair. It is a brutal system which might (possibly) be justified by the idea that it usually produces a strong government. Failure to realise the inherrent unfairness may encourage some people to vote Lib Dem. Voting Lib Dem will not get Lib Dem policies enacted. It will help Gordon Brown cling to power.
You have a choice at the election:
- Conservative (and Unionist)
- Lab, or de facto support Lab by another vote: Lib Dem, UKIP, Green, SDLP, Sinn Fein, BNP.
- If you are in Scotland or Wales SNP and PC are meaningful votes.
I'm not being drawn into that arguement,as it is only relevant to me and my agenda.What I am definately NOT is a 'professional poof' there's already way too much 'me-centric' nonsense coming out of the mouths of various groups and it's way too selfish for my beliefs.I live in a fantastic country which affords me a great many things and I certainly don't think I'm hard done by.Too many gay people nurse the idea that they are, almost by definition a victim in some way or another.The 'Daffyd Thomas' mentality for some people is not a joke but a reality,seeing oneself as a victim all the time ain't me, nor ever will be and I certainly won't be asking any perspective candidates 'what's in it for me?' type questions.so superbot i am curious to know the 705 more important issues that will influence your vote.
I'm not being drawn into that arguement,as it is only relevant to me and my agenda.What I am definately NOT is a 'professional poof' there's already way too much 'me-centric' nonsense coming out of the mouths of various groups and it's way too selfish for my beliefs.I live in a fantastic country which affords me a great many things and I certainly don't think I'm hard done by.Too many gay people nurse the idea that they are, almost by definition a victim in some way or another.The 'Daffyd Thomas' mentality for some people is not a joke but a reality,seeing oneself as a victim all the time ain't me, nor ever will be and I certainly won't be asking any perspective candidates 'what's in it for me?' type questions.
Lib Dems have no chance of an overall majority. They have a real chance of holding the balance of power in a hung parliament. In such a circumstance they would demand a Lib Dem Chancellor as condition for a pact. There is no chance whatsoever to the Conservatives agreeing to this. In a hung parliament there are therefore two possibilities:
- Gordon Brown as PM for another 5 years with some poor Lib Dem fall guy trying to deal with the wrecked finances.
- Conservatives as a minority government. This is possible if the Cons are just below an outright win.
The markets would react badly to either of the above.
We have a real risk of disenchanted Labour voters not quite being able to bring themselves to vote Conservative and so voting Lib Dem, effectively voting Gordon Brown back into Downing Street.
Absolutely right! At this point he's prepared to say anything that might persuade voters to elect him.Personally, David Cameron is all for gay rights when questioned about it, but behind closed doors it seems to be a different matter. He recently stated he supports gay adoption yet voted against it twice. He also apologised for his support of Section 28 but back in 2003 when Labour got rid of the clause he supported a Tory amendment which Stonewall called "section 28 by the back door". He is pro-civil partnerships but again his track record of voting on gay issues is less than favourable. See this interesting chart by The Guardian. However Cameron does seem to be a changed man and has since shown his support of LGBT issues, it's a shame his voting record doesn't match his claims.
Labour have done a lot for gay rights, since they've been in power there have been many alterations to the law including introducing Civil Partnerships, equalling the age of consent, ended the ban on openly gay military personnel, allowed immigration to include same sex partners, allowing gay adoption and introduced homophobia as a hate crime to name just a few.
Liberal Democrats fully support the idea of gay marriage and launched a Marriage Without Borders campaign which would mean civil partnerships would have to be recognised internationally as well as domestically.
Some of us will find the gay rights issue a key choice when voting, others will see it as a non-issue, we are all different but none of us are wrong for selecting different issues as our reason for supporting a political party.
I am still undecided, but I think my vote will possibly be for Lib Dem.
Local Government Act 1988 (c. 9)28 Prohibition on promoting homosexuality by teaching or by publishing material
(1) The following section shall be inserted after section 2 of the [1986 c. 10.] Local Government Act 1986 (prohibition of political publicity)
2A Prohibition on promoting homosexuality by teaching or by publishing material
(1) A local authority shall not
(a) intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality;
(b) promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship.
to be honest, i hate labour, but im scared of what the conservatives will do, communities will become further segregated because of their policies. my only hope is to vote for the lesser of two evils, and thats labour at the moment. im brown skinned and bisexual. i think the conservatives just arent able to actually accept who lives here today
just my bit
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You didnt answer my observation last time: labour did nothing except implement the policies planned by Major, which in turn continued the policy of making students pay established under Thatcher. The conservatives popularised the idea that students should pay.When John Major was in power we had free university education and generous grants. Now students pay for their places and their living costs, and do this with loans. Labour have destroyed a traditional route for moving into the professional classes.
You said that before. Are you still claiming the current labour government caused the world financial crash rather than bankers trying to get rich? Apart from that, all labour has done is follow the trend in government policy established by Thatcher and then Major....Are you saying they got it wrong? You are correct, they are the ones who cut taxes on the wealthy thus allowing high end take home pay to boom and expanding poverty. Is Cameron planning to reverse this and put those taxes back?When John Major was in power there was less poverty and less inequality in wealth distribution. Labour are responsible for the greatest increase in poverty in peacetime ever, and the greatest increase in inequality. They are the only peacetime government to see the whole country get poorer between elections (2005-2010) - some say the only one ever, some the only one since the great depression. Labour have done more to segregate communities and increase poverty than any government ever.
I'm scared stiff at the idea of a Lib-Lab hung parliament. The markets would run against Britain, we would all get poorer before they even did anything, and then there's the certainty that the likes of Lord Mandelson (the brains behind Labour policy) doesn't care one iota for the poor. A vote for Lib-Lab is a kick in the balls for the poor of this country.
He was also discussing how well the scottish parliament works on a vote by vote basis, which actually forces the opposition to think about the merits of each vote rather than automatically opposing it because it is from the other side.
Not a hope in hell. There have been coalitions, but only during WWI and WWII, ....when people thought cooperation was necessary for the national good? The conservative and labour party have a vested interet in claiming that a coalition cannot work, because if people start to realise it can, their monopoly on power, or at least their main justification for it, is gone.Is there a possibility of a Con-Lab gov, and if so, would that equate to "do nothing" gov.?
I thought someone in this thread earlier was claiming anti-gay discrimination in the US was non existent! Broadly id say the situation in the UK has settled nicely under labour where society is more gay-friendly than I have ever experienced. I expect the protest groups are still about but they have not been visible so much since labour changed various laws to be equal for gay or straight. Which is not to say a different government wouldnt change things. The last conservative lot did introduce anti-gay legislation.Please don't take this the wrong way, since I am not gay, but I think it's totally cool that one's sexuality, at least for some of the members of the board, is not even a top 10 in terms of reasons to vote for a particular candidate. In this respect, and I am guessing only, it seems the UK is light leagues ahead of the US in terms of gay rights, both politically and culturally.
Er,because if you hadn't noticed that legislatively gay people in this country are on a par with straight people and that those who go on and on and on about 'being gay(?)' the entire time need to take their heads out of their arses and realize that they are part of a bigger picture.You don't hear straight people talking about straight politics do you ??!!How is voting on sexuality the ultimate obsurdity? People can vote on what they want. If gay rights is the key issue in someones life, then why shouldnt they vite for it?