Gayest Sports - Wrestling & Water Polo

[HorseHung40's]

Recently, I was having a zoom meeting with teachers of German, who are situated in various states, almost all of whom teach at the high school level. School boards and administrations have begun to plan for their post-covid lives.

One of the areas being examined was the offering of courses. These educators teach German in schools, where it is a popular foreign language, so they don't feel as if they are under threat there.

Another area of revue encompassed the extra-curricular sports to be on offer. Two sports have declined in popularity, and, were singled out as being "gay", because, according to the students, there was a lot of grabbing of the crotch.

Water polo, in those schools that offer it, was one of those sports. Coaches and former students told existing students to "hit the guy in the nuts - no one can see it underwater". The other sport was wrestling. Coaches shouting to students to "check the guy's oil" (finger into the opponent's anus), or, to "put 5 on 2" (grab the opponent's balls). Several brave kids' parents called these aspects of the sports "sanctioned molestation". There have been calls to replace these sports with other ones.

When asked my opinion, I could only add: No person should ever be made to feel uncomfortable at any time. Neither activity is essential to an education. People need to have the courage to stop a wrestling match, if a coach shouts to a student to "check oil" or "put 5 on 2" - and - translate those orders into plain English. The embarrassment of being identified could be enough to stop the match. If not, someone needs to point at the offending coach, and, shout, "Your team forfeits! The other team wins."

Has anyone here heard of this? If yes, what, if anything was done about it?

 

[JDFlows]

It's entirely possible to wrestle without "checking someone's oil" or "putting 5 on 2". It's a perversion of the sport. Playing dirty doesn't help students on either team, and is demoralizing. Coaches should have a stronger vetting process and regular oversight to ensure that these practices do not occur. In my opinion, any adult encouraging students to touch each other inappropriately poses a danger to students and is a liability to the district.

 

[deleted5199391]

Recently, I was having a zoom meeting with teachers of German, who are situated in various states, almost all of whom teach at the high school level. School boards and administrations have begun to plan for their post-covid lives.

One of the areas being examined was the offering of courses. These educators teach German in schools, where it is a popular foreign language, so they don't feel as if they are under threat there.

Another area of revue encompassed the extra-curricular sports to be on offer. Two sports have declined in popularity, and, were singled out as being "gay", because, according to the students, there was a lot of grabbing of the crotch.

Water polo, in those schools that offer it, was one of those sports. Coaches and former students told existing students to "hit the guy in the nuts - no one can see it underwater". The other sport was wrestling. Coaches shouting to students to "check the guy's oil" (finger into the opponent's anus), or, to "put 5 on 2" (grab the opponent's balls). Several brave kids' parents called these aspects of the sports "sanctioned molestation". There have been calls to replace these sports with other ones.

When asked my opinion, I could only add: No person should ever be made to feel uncomfortable at any time. Neither activity is essential to an education. People need to have the courage to stop a wrestling match, if a coach shouts to a student to "check oil" or "put 5 on 2" - and - translate those orders into plain English. The embarrassment of being identified could be enough to stop the match. If not, someone needs to point at the offending coach, and, shout, "Your team forfeits! The other team wins."

Has anyone here heard of this? If yes, what, if anything was done about it?

This is dirt play, and it's a foul. And since it involves genitals or anus it's even worse.
Coaches and referees should think about that and how to protect the sport from dirty players.
I had a guy trying to do something similar to me, he got an illegal elbow while I was falling on him during a clinch.
Oops.

 

[MilfBanger78]

lol this gave me a chuckle.

I remember being taught the check the oil technique in HS wrestling class n then yrs later when I trained some MMA. back in High school we'd rib each other with that shit during wrestling practice. Coach finally told us knock it off lol. Nobody cried about it. Different era now everybody is so sensitive.

Wrestling is the toughest sport, def not for anyone thats easily offended. That goes for fighting in general, in a streetfight you're only as tough as ur eyes n balls

 

[deleted5199391]

lol this gave me a chuckle.

I remember being taught the check the oil technique in HS wrestling class n then yrs later when I trained some MMA. back in High school we'd rib each other with that shit during wrestling practice. Coach finally told us knock it off lol. Nobody cried about it. Different era now everybody is so sensitive.

Wrestling is the toughest sport, def not for anyone thats easily offended. That goes for fighting in general, in a streetfight you're only as tough as ur eyes n balls

Sensitive? If you allow oil check you open the door to any kind of foul that can slip unnoticed. Like the guy that ate my elbow. Combat sports are dangerous, and streetfights have nothing to do with them.

 

[MilfBanger78]

Eh its part of combat sports.

Guys thumb eyes in UFC, Jon Jones is notorious for it. Guys headbutt in boxing, land low blows if they can. Rabbit punches etc

Guys hold in football, pull facemasks, chop-block etc.

These are contact sports, its part of the territory to be prepared for that shit. Dont like it, go play badminton

 

[deleted5199391]

Eh its part of combat sports.

Guys thumb eyes in UFC, Jon Jones is notorious for it. Guys headbutt in boxing, land low blows if they can. Rabbit punches etc

Guys hold in football, pull facemasks, chop-block etc.

These are contact sports, its part of the territory to be prepared for that shit. Dont like it, go play badminton

Those you described is pro contest and not amateur. And it's not a good example, since just recently UFC had a no contest for a eye poke and a title lost for an illegal blow.

 

[DSF140]

I think what should be addressed is not that fact that some people play dirty, but rather that people are addressing some foul moves with homophobia, thus making a sport less popular in high school. Why is checking the oil equated with being gay (not that there's anything wrong with that). It's done because it hurts like hell. Same with 5 on 2. It reminds me of being in a room with a bunch of lazy, fat people mocking MMA fighting as being gay because the guys are in close contact with each other. If the vast majority of people are too fat and weak to partake in one of the most basic, ancient and challenging sports, so be it, but to rationalize their feebleness with homophobic rants is irksome.

 

[deleted5199391]

I think what should be addressed is not that fact that some people play dirty, but rather that people are addressing some foul moves with homophobia, thus making a sport less popular in high school. Why is checking the oil equated with being gay (not that there's anything wrong with that). It's done because it hurts like hell. Same with 5 on 2. It reminds me of being in a room with a bunch of lazy, fat people mocking MMA fighting as being gay because the guys are in close contact with each other. If the vast majority of people are too fat and weak to partake in one of the most basic, ancient and challenging sports, so be it, but to rationalize their feebleness with homophobic rants is irksome.

Yeah the old "crotch sniffing gay sport" is just an excuse for weak people. I get that young guys could get unconfortable if someone stick a finger in their anus during a match, tho.

 

[MrTMT]

For me if you think of "gayest" sports, I would think of male figure skating and gymastics. Those, so far, have many highly known professional that are gay themselves.

I think wrestling is a manly sport which happen to have close male:male contact than any other sports, it required both mental and physical fits to control the other opponent. If you're straight and do wrestling, you'll overcome the attraction of close male contacts and you'll likely come out winning. Just my 2 cents.

 

[MilfBanger78]

Those you described is pro contest and not amateur. And it's not a good example, since just recently UFC had a no contest for a eye poke and a title lost for an illegal blow.

Its only cheating if u get caught.

Like the great motto goes "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat!"

 

[deleted5199391]

Its only cheating if u get caught.

Like the great motto goes "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat!"

Sure, that's why the guy that squeezed my balls to escape from an armbar ended with a broken rib.
But that's not the kind of mentality someone would like to encourage in a high school gym.
Fouls are for bad athletes, casuals or desperate. Or for retaliation when some of this guys run on the wrong person.

 

[Call_Me_Dave]

It’s not even a matter of being gay or not. There is zero consent. @MilfBanger78 , If you had a sibling, or a parent in wrestling or MMA, would you laugh it off if your mom got probed mid fight? Or your dad got his ass fingered? Would you tell your dad, “just part of the game, pops”?

 

[JDFlows]

It’s not even a matter of being gay or not. There is zero consent. @MilfBanger78 , If you had a sibling, or a parent in wrestling or MMA, would you laugh it off if your mom got probed mid fight? Or your dad got his ass fingered? Would you tell your dad, “just part of the game, pops”?

"Or your dad got his ass fingered?" --- OMG dying here!

All kidding aside, I agree with @Call_Me_Dave

 

[LilJock]

I wrestled in high school (plus football). I never heard a coach say "check his oil" or "put 5 on 2", either on my team or the opponents'. Maybe I'm naive, but I think it wouldn't be tolerated and he'd soon be out on his ass. I have had guys grab me just below the balls, including the anal area, but never penetration. I've never had anyone "grab me by the balls". However, I've sometimes had pressure's applied by arms and legs on my balls in "legal" moves. I've done it myself. However, I just thought it was playing dirty, not gay! Also, I've had an opponent place his hand over my crotch (without pressure) in order to execute a move. I just thought it was foreplay.

Ever since a little kid, I was heavy into martial arts. As an adult, I've taken a couple "accidental" blows or kicks to the balls. Once bad enough to stop the match for five or ten minutes. Low blows do happen. I never thought of it as "gay", just an accident or dirty. I gave MA up a few years ago due to concussions (and wife's orders!).

Also had lots of accidents or dirty things happen in high school and college football. No one's calling for the discontinuation of football because it's gay. Unlike water polo and wrestling, it rakes in lots of money for the school.

I never played water polo but watched a lot of games in high school. Occasionally, you'd see a player jerk and react like he'd been hit in the balls underneath the water. Many of my friends were on the swimming and water polo teams. They said it was sometimes real and sometimes playacting.

I'm all for sports being clean as possible. However, it disturbs me hearing some advocating for the discontinuation of wrestling and water polo for being "gay". First off, I've never seen any evidence that players in these sports were any more "gay" than in other sports. Secondly, if every single player was gay, what would it matter? That's a shitty reason. I thought we'd moved beyond that. I'm sure there are some homophobic parents out there, but I'm surprised, disappointed and disgusted that school administrators would seriously discuss something like that.

If a kid wants to play a sport, that's up to him (or her), not a bunch of narrow-minded prudes.


PS. As to certain sports being gay, all bets are off when it comes to diving. At least in my opinion. I was very naive in high school. A guy had to wear a dress before I'd pick up on it. One of the few gays I knew in sports was our diver. You wouldn't know he was gay. He was very masculine and extremely good-looking -- a near clone of myself in fact (except for the big dick in his speedo!). I only found out he was gay when he made a pass at me! At that age, I was extremely discombobulated to say the least!

 

[longstroke7]

Seems to me that what is being described here isn't gay, but flat out sexual assault.

 

[DSF140]

Seems to me that what is being described here isn't gay, but flat out sexual assault.

Exactly. Neither sport is gay, nor is either straight. They're simply sports. Participating in either does not assign any sort of sexual orientation. And just because there may be a gay fan base, it does not give license to the participants for sexual assault.

 

[longstroke7]

Exactly. Neither sport is gay, nor is either straight. They're simply sports. Participating in either does not assign any sort of sexual orientation. And just because there may be a gay fan base, it does not give license to the participants for sexual assault.

Or implying that inserting your finger into someone's ass or grabbing their balls without consent are "gay" behaviors, when they are not.

Language matters.

 

[HorseHung40's]

As an update to my earlier post, 1/2 of the schools have decided to delete wrestling and water polo. I was curious about the reasons that prompted this decision.

1.) First and foremost, expense per athlete figured into many of the decisions. With finite resources, activities, which consume the highest funds per athlete were scrutinized most closely. That was coupled with overall popularity among students.

2.) Students in some single female parent families were told by their moms that "checking oil" and "5 on 2" were sexual assault at the very minimum and a form of rape in all likelihood. Further, some of those mothers threatened to take the matter public. No school board wanted that publicity. One of my contacts said that the "me too" movement finally reached her little burgh in North Dakota.

 

[paulista_user]

I never heard expressions like checking oil or 5 on 2