Genital size on a downward arc as intelligence is more treasured

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As the ACT test continues to gain in popularity at the expense of its increasingly-maligned competitor, the SAT, aggregate results from the latest rounds of ACT tests show that while test scores improved for all racial/ethnic groups from last year, some groups’ improvement is notably higher than others:

No ethnic or racial group showed decreases this year. But Asian Americans -- already the highest performing group on the ACT -- posted larger gains than other groups, increasing the gaps among groups. During the last five years, Asian Americans have seen their average composite score increase by 0.7 -- compared to gains of 0.2 for American Indians and Hispanics and 0.3 for black and white students.

This related article discusses some other trends from the recent results and gives the following statistical breakdown of median scores for each racial/ethnic group:

Group Critical Reading
Mathematics Writing
American Indian 487 494 474
Asian 510 578 512
African American 434 429 428
Mexican American 454 465 452
Puerto Rican 459 456 448
Other Hispanic 458 463 450
White 527 536 519
Other 494 513 493
Race unknown 487 506 482
All 503 518 497

In black and white

Hmmm....so expression of intelligence (which I'm in doubt of the ACT's actually measuring) has nothing to do with cultural expectations?

This is boring and I think you posted this thread because YOU were bored.

Good day.:mad:
 

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You attempted to answer about 1/194th of a single question (194 being the best estimate of the number of nations in the world). The tests you described are American standardized tests. If you take them to be indicative of anything (which they aren't), then at least take them to be indicative of "race" performance in the United States, and not of race performance in the world. What if the results are indicative of how these "races" are treated by their teachers in the United States? Is the variation in performance within one of these groups greater than the variation between them? Are the results of the different groups being affected by a minority of over or under-performers? And, most importantly, where does it say that the ACT or the SAT actually measures intelligence? Is this standardized test also the best way of measuring intelligence in other nations?

Furthermore, I pressed upon you several more questions besides the issue of "IQ"; perhaps after you have adequately answered this question, you can move onto those ones.

"In black and white," indeed.
 

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Someone needs to wield the banhammer here.

Why?

check this:

Academic Achievement - A View from the Top. The Illinois Valedictorian Project.
Authors: Arnold, Karen D.
Descriptors: Academic Achievement; Career Choice; Comparative Analysis; Ethnic Groups; Grade Point Average; Graduate Study; High School Graduates; Higher Education; Longitudinal Studies; Minority Groups; Outcomes of Education; Research; Undergraduate Study
Source: N/A
Peer-Reviewed: N/A
Publisher: N/A
Publication Date: 1993-00-00
Pages: 76
Pub Types: Information Analyses; Reports - Evaluative
Abstract: This research report examines 10-year results of the Illinois Valedictorian Project, a program that has followed 81 high-achieving high school valedictorians for 10 years following their high school graduation. It describes the study's sampling and study methods; presents the findings from the first 5 years and the status of the study group at 10-year followup; and considers academic, attitude, and career outcomes of the group as a whole and various subgroups. Among the report's findings was that the valedictorians were highly successful in their undergraduate study earning a mean grade point average of 3.6 on a 4-point scale and earning many scholastic honors. Of those completing graduate study, more than half were employed in science, math, engineering, and business careers. Other findings revealed that only one student of color completed graduate school, only women entered medical school, men outnumbered women in law school, and female valedictorians pursued PhD programs in a wider variety of fields than did male valedictorians. Black and Hispanic valedictorians achieved lower levels of education than the study group as a whole. About a quarter of the valedictorians are now at top professional levels for their age. The study shows a strong connection between top academic achievement in high school and similar achievement in college. Appendices provide details of the project's research methodology. Contains 29 references. A separately-published 4-page "Executive Summary" is appended. (GLR)

So banning is the way to discuss stuff? Typical intellectually dishonest reply. Just don't read it if you don't agree.
 

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Racism is the worse when the person spewing it is absolutely enveloped in pretense. Even if I pretend that the shit you wrote was true, it still does not support your conclusion. Evolution is favoring nothing here; what you wrote about is simply world politics and economics at work. Despite your argument to the contrary, your original post was the most intellectually dishonest thing I have read on LPSG in a very long time (hence my coming out of retirement).

You and I have disagreed about social 'mechanics' in the past but I pretty much entirely agree with the above. I'm a bit busy to address this fully tonight hence I'd not written anything but I suspect this 'theory' is founded in superficiality and presumption. It's been touched on by this poster a couple of times recently, must be a pet theory.

A few words to the OP:

Was the correlation between literacy and IQ factored? As for High tech, define please. As for African software; ever heard of Debian and Ubuntu Linux, Soft, Dafikas, Joomla, Ethiopic...? These are developed in whole or part by Africans some of whom were and still are actually in Africa. As for added value products; I agree sadly very little. Natural resources - the Chinese are taking advantage of weak African economies, something that irritates the hell out of me, and the citizens of a great many African nations.

Is Africa behind, of course it is, as for why - is it your assertion seriously that this is (in part at least) due to African's innate stupidity and big dicks? Is that seriously what you are saying?

The reasons for African nations being 'behind' are many and varied, but I'd say few of these relate to inherent stupidity and penis size. To suggest (for at least the second time in a few days) even imply indirectly that that may be the case is so beyond ill informed as to be off the chart.

My view has got nothing to do with political correctness, everything to do with a knowledge of opportunities wasted, resources squandered, corruption, decades of inter-Nicene warfare and ethinic violence (often supported by the west), western economic policies and many nations having been pawns in nations cold war rivalries. The result of which over the last 50 years has left many African nations in a woeful state. This is to list but a few of the top off my head.

I looked at your stats; regardless of there real significance globally (ie almost none) citing one year of US stats and a five year trend wthout a social context is the foundation of your theory of global intelligence/penis size trends? Please tell us you have more than that. I ask because I see no reference to penis size in those year on year ACT figures, in its absence can you explain your inference, I mean there must be a size statistic in there to explain it, right?

Also, is that rise 0.7 points or 0.7%. That's the problem with stats. 0.7 would be a 0.14% rise. Not really mind blowing, or penis shrinking significance. 0.7% over 5 years isn't earth shattering either. Do you have similar figures based on comparable assessment markers for Africa, India, Europe, China over the same period? If so, please, feel free to post them here.

When you're able to make a cogent argument, I'll play.
 

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Why?

check this:

Academic Achievement - A View from the Top. The Illinois Valedictorian Project.
Authors: Arnold, Karen D.
Descriptors: Academic Achievement; Career Choice; Comparative Analysis; Ethnic Groups; Grade Point Average; Graduate Study; High School Graduates; Higher Education; Longitudinal Studies; Minority Groups; Outcomes of Education; Research; Undergraduate Study
Source: N/A
Peer-Reviewed: N/A
Publisher: N/A
Publication Date: 1993-00-00
Pages: 76
Pub Types: Information Analyses; Reports - Evaluative
Abstract: This research report examines 10-year results of the Illinois Valedictorian Project, a program that has followed 81 high-achieving high school valedictorians for 10 years following their high school graduation. It describes the study's sampling and study methods; presents the findings from the first 5 years and the status of the study group at 10-year followup; and considers academic, attitude, and career outcomes of the group as a whole and various subgroups. Among the report's findings was that the valedictorians were highly successful in their undergraduate study earning a mean grade point average of 3.6 on a 4-point scale and earning many scholastic honors. Of those completing graduate study, more than half were employed in science, math, engineering, and business careers. Other findings revealed that only one student of color completed graduate school, only women entered medical school, men outnumbered women in law school, and female valedictorians pursued PhD programs in a wider variety of fields than did male valedictorians. Black and Hispanic valedictorians achieved lower levels of education than the study group as a whole. About a quarter of the valedictorians are now at top professional levels for their age. The study shows a strong connection between top academic achievement in high school and similar achievement in college. Appendices provide details of the project's research methodology. Contains 29 references. A separately-published 4-page "Executive Summary" is appended. (GLR)

So banning is the way to discuss stuff? Typical intellectually dishonest reply. Just don't read it if you don't agree.

Go on and keep wasting electronic paper on this topic. The above study did NOT address the unequal opportunities and other negative influences which 1) keep women from entering med schools or 2) keep most persons who are other-than-white from getting encouragement, etc to do well in high school. These are old old old arguments and the fact that some academics needed to publish in order to justify their existence does not a REAL argument 'make'.

Again...booooooooooring.
 

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Your forte is watching too much porn.

Have I mentioned recently the high regard in which I hold you?

Hmmm....so expression of intelligence (which I'm in doubt of the ACT's actually measuring) has nothing to do with cultural expectations?

This is boring and I think you posted this thread because YOU were bored.

Good day.:mad:

And you.

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When you're able to make a cogent argument, I'll play.

As usual dong comes in and saves me a hell of a lot looking up and typing and does, of course, a better job than I would have anyway. Careful dong, you're making me lazy.

OP - your logic is flawed - there is so SO much more to this than genetics and stats can be used to prove, and disprove, anything so there is no earthly point flinging numbers at us. Your logic is flawed - please go back to the drawing board with this cack-arsed theory.
 

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You attempted to answer about 1/194th of a single question (194 being the best estimate of the number of nations in the world). The tests you described are American standardized tests. If you take them to be indicative of anything (which they aren't), then at least take them to be indicative of "race" performance in the United States, and not of race performance in the world. What if the results are indicative of how these "races" are treated by their teachers in the United States? Is the variation in performance within one of these groups greater than the variation between them? Are the results of the different groups being affected by a minority of over or under-performers? And, most importantly, where does it say that the ACT or the SAT actually measures intelligence? Is this standardized test also the best way of measuring intelligence in other nations?

Furthermore, I pressed upon you several more questions besides the issue of "IQ"; perhaps after you have adequately answered this question, you can move onto those ones.

"In black and white," indeed.

All you have done is deny the test. How then do we measure intelligence? Give me a way. Economic status? Value added productivity? Number of patents granted? Inventions? Class valedictorians? Why do we think there has to be equality in intelligence when there clearly is not in any of the physically measurable statistics amongst races? The 100 meter dash is the exclusive domain of West African blacks, both male and female. If I were to try and create a basketball team of Mayans I would have difficulty in winning any game in a world challenge. but there can't be racial differences in brain skills? Why not?
 

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All you have done is deny the test. How then do we measure intelligence? Give me a way. Economic status? Value added productivity? Number of patents granted? Inventions? Class valedictorians? Why do we think there has to be equality in intelligence when there clearly is not in any of the physically measurable statistics amongst races? The 100 meter dash is the exclusive domain of West African blacks, both male and female. If I were to try and create a basketball team of Mayans I would have difficulty in winning any game in a world challenge. but there can't be racial differences in brain skills? Why not?

I am not putting forth any alternative hypothesis, and there is no problem with me denying the test. I am fully willing to believe absolutely everything you say, if you can prove it. How do we measure intelligence? As a neuroscience and psychology major, I can only say that I don't think it is possible to measure intelligence. You have to remember that the burden of proof here is on you. None of what you described sounds like a reasonable measure of intelligence to me, since every culture (and indeed, every person) on the planet places a different value on each of those things. If you take a mechanic with 2 years experience and an IQ of 90, along with a biochemistry major with an IQ of 130, and put them next to a broken car, I'll tell you who the genius is. Why is context so hard for you to understand?

Finally, intelligence and physical skills are of a completely different quality. Kind of like comparing apples and oranges, don't ya think? You are also going to have to define "race" for me. As I'm sure we all know, there are no genetic definitions for race. Perhaps the racial differences you are harping on about are synonymous with cultural differences. How about this; you take a bunch of "Mayans" and give them the interest in basketball (something which can be cultural) and the resources to learn basketball (also cultural), and then see how good they are. Just as good as blacks? You bet.
 

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Here is the question ( we are really far from my OP)

What if it is true? What if there is a difference in intelligence amongst races?

You say there isn't yet every measurable test, stat, performance says there is. This is where you need to answer.

Are we doing certain races a disservice by fostering the egalitarian notion that every has equal chance in intellectual competition when maybe they really don't?