George W. Bush: A Retrospective

Discussion in 'Politics' started by HazelGod, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. HazelGod

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    Did you see Frank Rich's column? It's a masterful "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" sendoff.

    NCbear (who occasionally enjoys subtlety :biggrin1::rolleyes:)
     
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    could not agree more. lock im up, him and all his cronies. Pity Gitbay is closing down, that's where he should be going
     
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    Ok. I'd say that's disrespectful.. But he's not deserving of any respect.

    Thanks for nothing.
     

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    would be interesting if historians come to regard him as another Churchill or Truman
     
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    Extremely unlikely.
     
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    would be interesting if historians come to regard him as another Churchill or Truman

    Margaret Truman or Lady Churchill ?
     
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    How would that be possible?

    What has he done to make us safer from terrorist or for that matter from natural disaster? We been attack several times after 9/11 and didn't even bother to complete the investigation of the attack after the anthrax was trace back to our own military lab. Even in Africa his attempt to stop aids with poster of "say no to premarital sex" instead of real medicine and research to cure aids is for naught. It was an empty gesture of curing aids.

    So the big question is what has he ever accomplish for the good of the American citizen.
     
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    Except possibly for Regent University, even the most colossally fucked-up schools don't produce historians that incompetent. Nick4444 might be thinking of historians from the alternate universe where Spock had a beard.
     
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    Churchill could string more than five words together without pausing to say, "ahh.." and the buck stopped on Truman's desk.
     
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    Perhaps Hazelgod would be well suited to collaborate with Michael Moore in the next fictional portrayal of a Republican. His cynical, self-obsessed demeanor would no doubt appeal to the hundreds of liberal drones that watch those epic Moore fairy tales over and over.
     
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    So maybe someone could spell it out....what exactly is it that you on the so called "fringe" left really want? 1) President Bush and VP Cheney tried and imprisioned. 2) What else....I truly am curious....
    And I say fringe not in a negative way.....but what was once considered "far" left thinking is now firmly rooted in the democrat party and clearly driving that bus. You all seem to actually believe the wild and dare I say lunatic rantings (in my opinion) of online bloggers that appeal to your political sensibilities. Ok ....understood.....but what do you want?
    A) All dissenting conservative opinions squelched?
    B) Replace the free market, capitalist economic system?
    C) Stop all fossil fuel energy useage?
    D) Nationalization of the Banking and Health Care systems?
    Seriously I would like to know the top 5 things that you all want to see happen. And if possible why they would be good for people. I am a conservative woman from a very red State but I don't ask this is a negative way...I am curious. It honestly frightens me that we all seem to have a such a huge divide in this country. I would like to be able to understand...if not agree... at least comprehend.
     
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    Oh, I don't know, based on all the revisionist history I see thrown around in this forum, I think there's a good chance Bush will be remembered both for his heroism against tyranny and for his luxurious beard. :tongue:
     
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    Well, I'm not exactly "fringe left", but I'll bite a bit anyway.

    I think there's reasonable evidence that war crimes have been committed under Bush's watch. Torture of the kind that America has pledged not to commit internationally, invasion of a sovereign nation, et cetera.

    Had a smaller country attempted to invade a sovereign nation the way America did, the world and/or America itself would have stopped them. Think about how the first Gulf War started--Saddam invaded Kuwait.

    I'm honestly not sure what to call a "dissenting Conservative" these days. What does that mean, exactly? To be completely honest, modern day Republicans are so far from true Conservative ideals that I'm not comfortable calling them Conservative anymore.

    Er... clearly this needs to happen. You do realize that free market Capitalism has quite literally failed, right? The moment Bush passed the first stimulus package was the death knell for "free market Capitalism".

    I predict that we'll be moving towards a blend of Capitalism and Socialism now because it seems that both pure Socialism and pure Capitalism are incapable of sustaining themselves, especially thanks to globalization.

    And perhaps a wiser question would be, what do we do about globalization at this point? It seems to me that globalization hasn't turned out to be the smartest idea since wheat bread.

    Clearly this needs to happen. Let's see, what are the benefits? A couple:

    Drastic reductions in carbon emissions, which we know for a fact are causing the planet's overall temperature to rise and leading to an environmental catastrophe.

    No more reliance on the Middle East (or Russia). In fact, without the need for fossil fuels, the Middle East basically loses relevance. No longer is stability in the Middle East meaningful to countries who no longer need fossil fuels. Funding for terroism by Middle Eastern groups that are ultimately funded by fossil fuel sales dries up. A far superior way to fight "terrorism" than trying to walk up to every terrorist on earth and shoot him in the head.

    What's the alternative?

    Banking: The banks have already failed. They're already basically nationalized now that the government is handing them fat loans to keep them alive. But that's a band-aid over a broken leg. My guess is that we will see a nationalized bank in the near future. I'm not sure it's the best solution--my feeling is that the government isn't the best group to be running our banks--but I do see that happening because it's evident the independent banks have royally screwed up and until they completely change their approaches to lending and debt, they'll never recover.

    Health Care: What health care? America's health care is abysmal as it is. If you've ever lived in a country with good public health care, you'd be in favor of it. For me it's not even about the monetary cost of the health care to me. It's about the standard of care. America's standard of care is ridiculously low because the health care providers can get away with it. Provide a base-line through public health care and let those who can afford it buy premium health care. Also, put an end to this "prior condition" bullshit. Someone is born with a medical condition and the current system says, "Sorry, we won't support you because you were like that out of the womb." That hurts society as a whole by preventing a huge number of people from being able to be as productive as they can be.

    That's a tough thing to rank. Some things that come to mind are education reform, fixing inner cities, farm aid, environmental reform, economic reform, health care reform, ending these needless foreign wars... I mean, there's a lot that needs to be done. What can I say? I see America in shambles right now. It's going to take a lot to fix it.
     
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    and Bush is not even sure what the word Retrospective MEANS.
     
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    I think you mean Hoover...

    ...and to the people arguing over America's "free market economy"...stop it, America is not a free market economy.
     
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    And W.S-C. wrote the history books himself, he was a better writer than PM, no-one else had access to the archives until he died.:wink:
     
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    There's been some "executive" orders released this past week. All of Cheney's email and shit is going to be rolled out. That fucker thinks he got away with it. It seems this Administration is inviting the press to make of it what they will. When the people know the TRUTH, the Administration gets to play the "Americans from coast to coast expect and demand hearings" card.

    Cheney... don't plan on going overseas for a while...
     
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    If it's the same historians who consider Churchill and Truman to be neo-colonial, neo conservative fascists then I'd say yes.
     
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    Truman or Churchill? No, I'm rather confident he'll rate well below the fondness score of Warren G. Harding in 50 or so years. Truman can be held responsible for a good number of reprehensible things, but re-crafting the Constitution to suit his needs was never one of them.:mad:
     
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