Hey everyone, im looking for some real proof that penis enlargement exercises or any other methods like pills work. ive been aware of penis enlargement exercises and have read plenty about it. im also a student of science so i know the body pretty well. ive tried it in the past several times but each time i dont get any permanent gains and become discouraged. firstly the pills, pumps, and other methods, ive read plenty of literature stating that they do not provide any permanent gains in size. pumps only pulls blood into the penis temporarily. pills and creams are loaded with herbal ingredients but none of them can cause your penis to permanently enlarge the same way your body and hormones does when you go through puberty. more importantly are the penis exercises. the idea behind them is that you work out your penis several times a week by methods like jelqing and forcing larger amounts of blood into the penis. the blood being forced into the penis is supposed to break up cells and tissues. if you do this on a regular basis the cells and tissues will regrow and heal to accomodate the excess blood being forced to the penis and therefore increase you penis size. however a fault that i see in this theory is that the body has set points for everything from height, to a womans breast size, to penis lengths, and the body is pretty good at maintaining these points. if the tissues in the penis are damaged or ruptured it will only repair itself to the same state as already predetermined by the body and genetics which does not change. many also compare penis exercises to weight training and muscle growth. however from first hand experience, the images and examples of people with large amounts of muscle mass go through great lengths to achieve these results such as ingesting products like protein powder, creatine, or growth hormones and spending large amounts of time in the gym. these extreme measures of affecting the body's metabolism can cause muscle growth. however muscles tissue is very different from the tissues in the penis. the chemistry of the muscles and how it reacts to weight training and other substances like creatine and steroids is completely different than penis exercises and pills. to give a full explanation a much more lengthy post would be needed. these proofs ive gathered and my own lack of results have caused me to become very discouraged and im leaning on the opinion that as of right now there is no way to permanently increase the size of a penis. this is the main reason im posting this. im looking for anyone with real proof like real before and after pictures with real methods that provided permanent increase in penis size so that maybe i can utilize them. any helpful posts or comments would be appreciated.