Getting discouraged, anyone with permanent gains and real proof?

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  1. omg_its_me

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    Hey everyone, im looking for some real proof that penis enlargement exercises or any other methods like pills work. ive been aware of penis enlargement exercises and have read plenty about it. im also a student of science so i know the body pretty well. ive tried it in the past several times but each time i dont get any permanent gains and become discouraged.

    firstly the pills, pumps, and other methods, ive read plenty of literature stating that they do not provide any permanent gains in size. pumps only pulls blood into the penis temporarily. pills and creams are loaded with herbal ingredients but none of them can cause your penis to permanently enlarge the same way your body and hormones does when you go through puberty.

    more importantly are the penis exercises. the idea behind them is that you work out your penis several times a week by methods like jelqing and forcing larger amounts of blood into the penis. the blood being forced into the penis is supposed to break up cells and tissues. if you do this on a regular basis the cells and tissues will regrow and heal to accomodate the excess blood being forced to the penis and therefore increase you penis size.

    however a fault that i see in this theory is that the body has set points for everything from height, to a womans breast size, to penis lengths, and the body is pretty good at maintaining these points. if the tissues in the penis are damaged or ruptured it will only repair itself to the same state as already predetermined by the body and genetics which does not change.

    many also compare penis exercises to weight training and muscle growth. however from first hand experience, the images and examples of people with large amounts of muscle mass go through great lengths to achieve these results such as ingesting products like protein powder, creatine, or growth hormones and spending large amounts of time in the gym. these extreme measures of affecting the body's metabolism can cause muscle growth. however muscles tissue is very different from the tissues in the penis. the chemistry of the muscles and how it reacts to weight training and other substances like creatine and steroids is completely different than penis exercises and pills. to give a full explanation a much more lengthy post would be needed.

    these proofs ive gathered and my own lack of results have caused me to become very discouraged and im leaning on the opinion that as of right now there is no way to permanently increase the size of a penis. this is the main reason im posting this. im looking for anyone with real proof like real before and after pictures with real methods that provided permanent increase in penis size so that maybe i can utilize them. any helpful posts or comments would be appreciated.
     
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    I understand your analysis and rational. It is hard to make yourself taller or stretch bone. Various other tissue seem to be more responsive. When I started since I was a bit on the short side i focused on stretching and squeezing.
    Stretching because you can stretch tendons as I realized from various motorcycle accidents and I thought it would not get any longer than the tendon travel would provide. The squeezing also is like stretching and various body tissues seems to be able to respond to being stretched, ear lobs, and getting fat seems to work for many people. So I started with lots of stretching and squeezing with little or no results for many months after somewhat consistent work. As I was not be charged any money and wasn't paying any money I just kept doing it. Sort of like Forest
    Gump and running. So after a long time I have experienced a substantial change in Cock size and since I still am doing exercises it hasn't shrunk. We will not know the answer to this part of the question until I stop the exercises for a long time.
    As my progress was slow and I did not know if it would work, there was no deadline I failed to take picture. This experiment was done for the benefit of science. So I have no pictures before and after. On the other hand I am not selling anything and I have nothing to gain or loose if your cock gets bigger or not, so for me it has worked. It has been about 8 years and I have gain 2.7" length and about 1.5 girth at the base.

    Sometimes we may over analyze things and we either decide that something doesn't work or we just make it that way and nothing gets done. I do wish now that I had before pictures.
     
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    robert, thanks for the post. im sure u must have spent a lot of time doing these exercises to gain the well deserved results of over 2 inches. this gives me something positive to think about
     
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    any other posts would be appreciated
     
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    Check out http://www.lpsg.org/224514-preventing-fibrosis.html

    I've been using vit e with selenium orally and topically, taking zinc, EPO, and 50mg sildenafil at night to increase nocturnal erections. I had hit a plateau but have started gaining again which I believe is due to the increased elasticity of my tunica.

    My routine is as follows:

    Warm up with a bathmate for 20 mins (I use mine in the shower). Immediately after I dry myself off then while laying down in bed I dry jelq to maximum engorgement. I then start doing uli's which I hold for around 30 secs. I try to make these as painful as I can. I some times bend my penis while doing these. In between sets I do erect bends. I try not to masterbate and when I do I try to just edge.

    This routine can be very dangerous to a beginner who doesn't know there limits. I can also be dangerous to someone who has taken time off from doing PE. You have to work up to it over a month or two.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    By the way the CC is more like venous tissue than muscle so it should respond to VEGF. Sildenafil aka viagra increases VEGF. I looked into getting pure VEGF to inject it into my penis but it was too expensive.
     
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    bigdex, thanks for the info, i might consider PE one last time
     
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    vit e with selenium orally and topically, taking zinc, EPO, and 50mg sildenafil at night
    Obvious that you didn t take that on a daily basis for a long time.
    Otherwise you couldn t post this as they found you then dead in bed.
    Vit e with selenium : no problem.
    Zinc : good in low doses.
    EPO : no - makes your blood thicker, very bad for the hart - infarct/embolie
    50mg sildenafil : in combination with EPO a killer. On a daily base with or without sex - very bad for the hart.

    Sildenafil should be taken nly if you want to have sex - max 3hours in advance.

    So your routine is very bad advise.
     
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    When I said EPO I meant evening primrose oil not the hormone lol
    Yeah combining the hormone with viagra would probably kill you
     
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    Nightly sildenafil can reverse impotence
    Long-term treatment of erectile dysfunction with a... [BJU Int. 2008] - PubMed result

    Nightly Viagra May Restore Normal Erections

    Nightly viagra could help with recovery from PE exercises but this is just a theory that I have. I usually have low EQ from some of the exercises that I do and the Sildenafil helps counter act this.

    The only advise that I gave was that my routine was dangerous as it can cause injury if you are a beginner or if you have taken a break from PE. Taking viagra every night will obviously have some unwanted side effects and anyone who considers it should research it and talk it through with there doctor.

    I didn't advise that the OP do my routine I just posted what my routine was and that I was getting results.
     
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    I started PE over a year ago and didnt measure correctly. But last summer I did becuase my wife said I was going deeper and felt thicker, I was 6.9 bpel and 5.1 Mid girth. I'm now 7.1 and 5.4. I think this is dued to hanging,pumping and clamping. Right now I'm just pumping because honestly, I never really had bad experience with girls. The only girl who said I was small, use to cum before we split up so she took a shot at me.
    Women love girth and length I feel is more for male ego. I love pumping a lot so Im just going to pump my brains out.
     
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    what did you mean exactly (bold text) ?
     
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    I have gained about 1.5" in length and about .5" in girth over about 3 years. I don't post penis pictures on the internet so forget about "proof". The only real proof that PE will work for you is to try it and see.

    Although it has worked for many, there are some who have tried PE for prolonged periods of time without seeing gains so there is no guarantee it will work for you. It may depend on genetic factors, such as the composition of the collagenous tissue of your penis, as well as the amount of time and intensity you can devote to it. Some also see a decrease in erection quality with PE which is attributed to "overwork". I rather suspect that some are so susceptible to this decrease in EQ that they are unable to apply enough deforming force to affect real change.

    Comparing penis size to body height or the skeletal muscle hypertrophy that occurs with bodybuilding is not germane. I believe that the major factor that is responsible for increase in penis size with PE is gradual deformation and remodeling of the suspensory ligaments of the penis, and the fascial tissue within it, especially the tunica albuginea. As Robert Frost correctly pointed out, physical therapists are well aware that it is possible to stretch ligaments and tendons over time, as are practitioners of Pilates and yoga. The fascia of the abdominal wall remodels itself to increased dimensions in people who gain weight and in pregnant women. General surgeons, plastic surgeons and orthopedic surgeons have used tissue expanders to remodel fascial tissues for decades.

    Some people believe that there is an element of new cell growth (mitosis) that occurs with PE, especially in smooth muscle cells, but this is unproven.
     
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    I never tried PE, because in my opinion you will pull only the penis a little bit further from the body ( deformation of the ligaments )
    I saw photos before and after ( if not altered ); I saw that the penis had a different erection angle.
    Mine is pointing straight up - and I like to keep it like that.
    Also the minimal gain for such labor isn t my thing.
    My lenght has easy a variation of 0.5"; (my girth not-only harder); depending of my 'excitement'.

    And forget about the new cell growth, that's a myth.
     
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    My erection angle is lower than pre PE and I have survived this deformity. Down from about 1 to 1:30 to 2:30. In my case at least some or all of the length gain is from stretching the tendons lowering the erection angle. In my defense I am 67 years old and the total volume of my penis is over twice its original size so I will attribute part of the angle declination to weight gain of the penis. LOL
     
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    Because having a bigger penis means you need more blood to keep it pumped up fully hard.

    If a person with a big penis have a body in poor condition (bad diet and not living a healthy life style) then he wont be able get a good erection. The pics you talking about dirkjesje that have penises in a lower angle is because the person that the penis is attached to is prob not in the best shape, because last time I checked PE gives you a much stronger and healthier erection.

    A good PE'er will have a very good erection due to kegels and other stamina workouts. I doubt any non PE'er can do the Towel Raises exercise as good as an expert PE'er. And the towel raises is all about erection strength and hardness.
     
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    I saw several photos before and after of some PE'ers.
    And allways is the erection angle after PE - much lower than before.
    ( In some cases it seems to be a different penis :) )
    I think that it has something to do with the ligaments and not by the volume of the 'after-penis', because I don't see an increase in girth, only length.
    But it's just my opinion...
     
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    Nope, wrong.

    I have gained 1.5" in length and about 0.5" in girth and my shape looks exactly the same. Only difference is that my penis now always have very hard erection and looks in a much better shape.

    Those pics you talking about, if you really say the penis looks different, then there is some thing else that person been doing, like long session pumping etc.

    Ya, I know they told you they didn't pump, they just lying. Because PE doesn't change penis shape and makes it look different than the initial shape. (Only bigger,fatter and harder of course).:wink:
     
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