Ghost Hunters

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  1. b.c.

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    I think today they're having a Ghost Hunters marathon on SciFi, correction, SyFy. :rolleyes:

    Does anyone else here think this is the lamest show on T.V.? Hour after hour of sitting around in the dark saying, "Did you see that?" "What was that?" "Is anyone here?"

    Yeah. Only the dummies watching this crap.

    How can anyone make a successful show out of people sitting around in the dark listening for sounds? Speaking of which, why always in the dark?? If ghosts are about, wouldn't they be there lit room or no?

    Whooooo...scary stuff!! :eek:
     
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    TV shows about the paranormal embarrass anyone who actually thinks paranormal stuff may exist.
     
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    I love them! I think they're an awful lot of fun. The British show is the best because they always find ghosts. It seems the UK ghosts are much more active than ours and they use psychics, not meters and gadgets, so it's more atmospheric. Paranormal State uses the same formula and I think it works.
     
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    The UK show is awesome. I love it when the ghosts throw things at them and the one blonde chic screams.

    I have no reason to feel embarrassment. My dad was a minister and performed exorcisms several times while living at home. When you see a house wife levitate on your family's driveway, you soon realize something else is going on that falls outside of any attempt at rational explaination.
     
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    The investigators on Ghost Hunters are trained to disprove unusual occurrences first. When they can't find a rational explanation for it only then do they label it as paranormal activity. Inevitably some shows will be boring because it's not just about jumping at every sound or shadow.

    I laughed through one episode in which they answered a call to unusual activity in a tavern in California. The investigators were pissed when they discovered the place had devices rigged to make light fixtures swing, produce haunting noises in the bathroom, etc. They confronted the manager who confessed to omitting that information when they gave the investigating crew the grand tour. Poor Jay and Grant drove away in the TAPS van bitching about the wasted time and effort. Hehehehe.
     
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    It's the way they go about it, and that it's strongly suspected they fake a lot of evidence.

    For example they use the KII meter which has been shown to not really be accurate, and they use it to "communicate" which is silly.

    They, along with many of the shows also use a digital thermometer and claim is measures cold spots. It doesn't, it measures surfaces.

    Many times they also claim a little too quickly it's "paranormal", Paranormal State's religious hokey is the worst part. Ghost Adventures is also laughable.

    I fully believe paranormal stuff happens and have experienced some myself, but these TV shows are out for ratings. Their methods are generally laughable and actually hurt real research into the paranormal.
     
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    Real paranormal research is fabulously dull. There are hours upon hours of nothing with occasional thrills of false readings. In years of research a paranormal researcher may have only a handful of phenomena which cannot be explained by any known reason and they'll know that only after bringing back all the evidence and having experts in various fields examine the site where it occurred and the data collected. Even then, what they discover is not automatically labeled with being paranormal, but simply inexplicable. Paranormal research is hugely underfunded and those scientists (not plumbers) who pursue it have to deal with a lot of prejudice in their own community. The result is few bother to do it except in secret, and even then the money to make the research happen is so scarce that most do it out of their own pockets. SONY spent a small fortune creating an entire laboratory devoted to psychic research and then abandoned the research only telling shareholders that they did find significant statistical results proving that ESP and psychokinesis were real but that they couldn't find a way to make any money off of it! To date, SONY has not released their data to the scientific community, despite calls to do so, claiming the results of the research are still legitimate trade secrets. The result is that as soon as SONY announced their results, other corporate-sponsored paranormal research funding for universities dried-up. As far as businesses were concerned, the canary had died.
     
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    I agree, but I don't think the way to "spice it up" is to do things that are clearly wrong, faked or just ill-informed.

    There is an automatic dismissal of anything that could be paranormal, and that part sucks. Frankly I'd like to see a strictly scientific show with real scientists investigating this stuff, even if they don't always find something.

    Here's an article from the Skeptical Inquirer by people who researched ghost hunting:
    http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/other_side_of_the_story_ghost_hunting/

    "Tonya: &#8220;Ghosts&#8221; are the product of folklore, the convenience of attributing the unexplained to the paranormal, and the innate desire of human beings to believe that part of us lives beyond the grave. I doubt that scientific proof will come in our lifetime and doubt even more wholeheartedly that belief in ghosts will ever go away.
    Andy: I believe that things occur that are unexplainable within the current scientific paradigm. I would not be willing to say that these events are definitely caused by ghosts as we culturally define them, although I would not say that this is an impossibility either. I believe it is possible that the &#8220;paranormal&#8221; might be the result of some natural phenomena that we will eventually understand as our knowledge of science and the universe grows."

    Current ghost hunting may be getting closer to answers, although still very far away. One is the EMF that even some scientists said seems to be the cause of hauntings in places, although they said they don't believe it's ghosts, but something else.

    Ghost Hunters always seems to find Limestone at the root of some widespread haunts, maybe that has something to do with it too.

    I think a lot of the scientific poo-poohing of paranormal anything has to do with the perceived connection to religions. I mean, if you believe heaven and hell exist I'd posit you'd be more likely to believe a dead spirit can exist.

    I however have no religion I practice, and I believe paranormal things happen. Are they the disembodied spirits of the deceased? I can't answer that, and it bugs me when people say that's absolutely what they are.

    Know one theory I have? Is that it might have something to do with parallel dimensions. While that may sound far fetched, science believes parallel dimensions could exist, while not proven. What if all the "ghosts" we see are some strange crossover of that?

    Of course that's just a theory, but ya know.
     
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    And she looks particularly terrified because the night vision makes her pupils appear enormous and her blonde hair look white. I love how she grabs the nearest person to her for protection! The psychics they bring in are fun too and then they add the info at the bottom of the screen to prove or disprove what the psychic says.

    If only she had levitated under scientific scrutiny! Next time your dad does one of these, please ask him to invite some parapsychologists so they can observe. They'd die for evidence that strong.
     
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    Unfortunately parapsychology is seen as a psuedo-science, despite my belief that some stuff can happen beyond the norm.
     
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    It would have to be a long term documentary spanning months or years. Few lab tests can be evaluated quickly and even then the data, like for the Global Consciousness Project, can be ambiguous and is nearly always disputed. It takes months, possibly years, of research and then there is publishing data and then defending hypotheses and all kinds of stuff. It's hard to find any single moment or sequence of moments that build suspense to an Aha! moment that TV lives by.
     
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    Parapsychology's biggest single problem is that there is no known way to make psychic events happen in a reliable way. When something happens far above the statistical threshold of chance, it is almost always an apparently random occurring event. So unless you hook-up someone to a system that can monitor them for days or months or years, your chance of hitting upon something are very slim. Some people are more psychic than others but even they aren't always right and realizations can happen days or weeks apart in the most inconvenient times and places. Lab conditions can also be stressful for a psychic person who usually feels as if he or she has to come-up with something lest be branded a fraud.

    In the past three months I've had three undeniable psychic events happen to me but they were all about very minor things. Bring me into a lab and I'd likely show no more psychic ability than the statistical average, which is no higher than chance. But had I some sort of meter plugged into my brain, I'd register these three very highly unlikely events which would be far above the statistical average. On top of that, I'd have to have an escort who could monitor my actions to make certain I had no possible foreknowledge of these three events. That kind of research would be horrendously expensive, invasive, and even then I don't know if we have the technology to do it.
     
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    I enjoy Ghost Hunters, and Ghost Labs (Discovery Channel) I've done some very very amateur ghost hunting after i got some equipment off Amazon. The hallway in the house that i grew up in felt as if someone was always right behind you staring at you. When i was young i'd hear my friends during sleep overs walking from the bathroom, and then start running cause they said they heard a noise and felt as if something was right behind them about to get them.

    After i got an EMF detector and found out the light fixtures/ wiring from the floor below was causing EMFs in the 40s leading up to my old room... (for anyone who doens't watch ghost hunting shows ... basically it's the bread and butter of reasons why people feel watched)

    I like the science aspects of the show, however i've found EVPs during random drunken moments with friends ghost hunting... it's just plain weird when you hear a girl speaking in Italian on a voice recorder for no reason in a quiet room...

    I find that people who think it's a fake, and aren't willing to give it a try, are the ones i find get the most scared when i take them ghost hunting oddly scared of the dark and things they can't see)... i think people would rather tell themselves there is nothing there, so they wont be scared.
     
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    The TAPS guys are just annoying to me. All that money spent on equipment that could best used for other things. They wind up with the occasional dark blur or noise.

    To their credit, they did investigate a house in south Louisiana that proved to be interesting.

    I enjoy the shows, like the one Jason is talking about, where they bring in a clairvoyant get some sort of read on the place.
     
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