gingrich says palestinean are just a "fictitious" folk

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  1. Perados

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    on the channel "jewish channel" he says, he believes that we got a fictitious palestinean folk. By fakts they are arabean and they have an arabic history.
    Obamas politic is far away of any reality...


    What a man...:confused:
     
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    Don't blame Obama (who remains moderate as regards the Palestinian/Israeli nomenclature): yet of course AIPAC has called him the devil/antichrist for taking a global view of the sitch.

    It's muy feo: vachement moche.

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    I am trying to decipher your post. But here's the scoop. Newt Gingrich said last night on the Jewish Channel that Palestinian People are an "invented" people which caused an uproar among officials of the Palestinian Authority.

    New Gingrich is symptomatic of the ignorance of most Americans. Most Americans, including many of many of our national leaders, do not read history! The Jewish people were expelled from the Holy Land after the destruction of the Second Temple in A.D. 70 by the Romans. Later on they did settle again in small communities in Palestine, certainly after Islam became the dominant religion under the Arabs after the Prophet Muhammad's death in the 7th century and the Arab invasions soon after. In later centuries, Palestine was under the domination of the Ottoman Turks. Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in peace during those centuries. But Palestine was inhabited mostly by Muslim and Christian Arabs. Thus Palestinian Arabs can hardly be called an "invented" people.

    Zionism upset things for sure after World War I in 1917 and especially after the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 when many Arab Palestinians lost their homes and cities and were forced into refugee camps. Since then, not only has there been turmoil in Palestine but also in the whole Middle East!
     
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    i know about their history and i dont blame obama...

    All i tryd was to repeat what the republikan kandidat gringich sayd about the palestinean...

    HE thinks a folk named palestinean doesnt exist... By some unnamed "fakts" they are just arabeans. Also they have only an arabean history...

    Because of this HE says obamas foreighn politics far from every reality... He shouldnt help the palestinean to create a state cause "they dont exist"...

    Interview by "jewish channel"

    This is by far not my point of view... I just wonder about some "kandidats"

    And i love you to bbucko
     
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    Thanks, baby: the fact remains that both Israeli and Palestinian were terms invented in the late 1940s. Prior to that, everyone who lived in "the holy land" were equals.

    I can be completely not anti-semitic while remaining an anti-Zionist. It's only been during the last few years that such (artificial) boundaries have been drawn in the sand.

    It's a shame when labels divide rather than unite people with a common understanding of the betterment of humanity in an extremely fragile reason.
     
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    The problem is that New Gingrich is smart and sly as a fox, following in the path of Dick Cheney and company which led us into the quagmires that are Afghanistan and Iraq. His being elected as president would be bad news for our country.
     
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    Saruman said that about the Hobbits, too.
     
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    I thought the Palestinians were descended from the Philistines who used to live in a similar area...or, am I way off on that one? :/
     
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    He's not smart if he's making dumb comments like that about the Palestinians & although I usually vote Republican, he will NOT be getting my vote.
     
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    It is only the geographical designation of "Palestine" that has been passed down from the Philistines. Arabs moved into the territory during the Muslim conquests of the 7th century C.E.

    As BigGlansDC pointed out (to the OP), Gingrich said "invented" people, not "fictitious" people. An invented people is none the less existent for having been invented. What matters is how durable the invention is. The Jews are an invented people; it just happen to have been invented about three thousand years ago.
     
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    Thx Cal. :smile:
     
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    We don't have to worry!.....Newt nor Willard will ever be president of this country.....:no:
     
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    Funny, I just ate breakfast with one of my Palestinian buddies. He seemed pretty real to me, and when i used to fuck his sweet hairy ass a few years back when we were both single, he certainly seemed real then too!
     
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    Good lord... He is suppose to be the intellectual of the bunch.

    1300 years is durable enough in my book. But Gingrich was talking about 20th century history and implied that Palestinian had been invented post WWII.

    The label "pompous ass" seems to be invented especially for Newt Gingrich.
     
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    How do you reckon 1300 years? That would be a plausible dating for the Arab people, not a Palestinian people. Where was there any thought of Palestinian national identity before the 20th century, or even before 1948?
     
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    No matter if its "invented" or "fictitious" at the end his statement implicates that, there is no "israel/palestina" problem as soon as you erase the idea of palestina... No folk no nation
     
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    The name Palestine was first used in 1920 in a Treaty between UK and France. The name is based on the same root as Philistine, but the Philistines were long gone from the area by 1920. The name was used for the territory between the Jordan and the sea.

    The Arab population inhabiting this territory in 1920 had been ruled by Egypt and apparently regarded themselves as Egyptians. As did many non-Arabs living there - there were Christians and a very few Jews. The UN partition of Palestine was supposed to create an Arab Palestine and a Jewish Palestine. 60 years on this is pretty much what is being tried with the two state solution.

    Gingrich is not helping Middle East peace by his venture into a troubled area, but there is a grain of truth in what he is reported as saying. A hundred years ago the ancestors of most Palestinians would have identified as Egyptian.
     
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    This seems to me to set the matter in its proper historical perspective. Thanks, Jason.
    I haven't actually watched the interview or read a full account of it, but this doesn't surprise me. Apparently Gingrich takes "invented" to be tantamount to "fictitious" or at least to "fabricated."
     
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    The man has a Ph.D in history from Tulane. What he said was factually true. everything you said above is common knowledge almost everyone knows. You didnt say one thing significant or one thing that proves newt's point wrong.
     
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    So, How are the Palistinian People any more or less made up than the Kuwaiti, Iraqi, Yemeni, Afghan, Pakistani, Indian, etc people? Most of those nations were drawn up by foreign powers, IE the British and French during periods of Colonization. They're mostly Arabs or Hindus, but there were different countries set up by different colonial and occupying powers.

    God, The ignorance of some people is surprising. What's disturbing and disgusting is the willful ignorance of some people.

    /and please, feel free to correct me where I'm wrong. I have no problem being taken to school.
     
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