on the channel "jewish channel" he says, he believes that we got a fictitious palestinean folk. By fakts they are arabean and they have an arabic history.
Obamas politic is far away of any reality...
What a man...
And i love you to bbucko
He's not smart if he's making dumb comments like that about the Palestinians & although I usually vote Republican, he will NOT be getting my vote.The problem is that New Gingrich is smart and sly as a fox, following in the path of Dick Cheney and company which led us into the quagmires that are Afghanistan and Iraq. His being elected as president would be bad news for our country.
It is only the geographical designation of "Palestine" that has been passed down from the Philistines. Arabs moved into the territory during the Muslim conquests of the 7th century C.E.I thought the Palestinians were descended from the Philistines who used to live in a similar area...or, am I way off on that one? :/
Thx Cal. :smile:It is only the geographical designation of "Palestine" that has been passed down from the Philistines. Arabs moved into the territory during the Muslim conquests of the 7th century C.E.
As BigGlansDC pointed out (to the OP), Gingrich said "invented" people, not "fictitious" people. An invented people is none the less existent for having been invented. What matters is how durable the invention is. The Jews are an invented people; it just happen to have been invented about three thousand years ago.
We don't have to worry!.....Newt nor Willard will ever be president of this country.....:no:The problem is that New Gingrich is smart and sly as a fox, following in the path of Dick Cheney and company which led us into the quagmires that are Afghanistan and Iraq. His being elected as president would be bad news for our country.
It is only the geographical designation of "Palestine" that has been passed down from the Philistines. Arabs moved into the territory during the Muslim conquests of the 7th century C.E.
As BigGlansDC pointed out (to the OP), Gingrich said "invented" people, not "fictitious" people. An invented people is none the less existent for having been invented. What matters is how durable the invention is. The Jews are an invented people; it just happen to have been invented about three thousand years ago.
How do you reckon 1300 years? That would be a plausible dating for the Arab people, not a Palestinian people. Where was there any thought of Palestinian national identity before the 20th century, or even before 1948?1300 years is durable enough in my book. But Gingrich was talking about 20th century history and implied that Palestinian had been invented post WWII.
As BigGlansDC pointed out (to the OP), Gingrich said "invented" people, not "fictitious" people. An invented people is none the less existent for having been invented. What matters is how durable the invention is. The Jews are an invented people; it just happen to have been invented about three thousand years ago.
This seems to me to set the matter in its proper historical perspective. Thanks, Jason.The name Palestine was first used in 1920 in a Treaty between UK and France. The name is based on the same root as Philistine, but the Philistines were long gone from the area by 1920. The name was used for the territory between the Jordan and the sea.
The Arab population inhabiting this territory in 1920 had been ruled by Egypt and apparently regarded themselves as Egyptians. As did many non-Arabs living there - there were Christians and a very few Jews. The UN partition of Palestine was supposed to create an Arab Palestine and a Jewish Palestine. 60 years on this is pretty much what is being tried with the two state solution.
Gingrich is not helping Middle East peace by his venture into a troubled area, but there is a grain of truth in what he is reported as saying. A hundred years ago the ancestors of most Palestinians would have identified as Egyptian.
I haven't actually watched the interview or read a full account of it, but this doesn't surprise me. Apparently Gingrich takes "invented" to be tantamount to "fictitious" or at least to "fabricated."No matter if its "invented" or "fictitious" at the end his statement implicates that, there is no "israel/palestina" problem as soon as you erase the idea of palestina... No folk no nation
I am trying to decipher your post. But here's the scoop. Newt Gingrich said last night on the Jewish Channel that Palestinian People are an "invented" people which caused an uproar among officials of the Palestinian Authority.
New Gingrich is symptomatic of the ignorance of most Americans. Most Americans, including many of many of our national leaders, do not read history! The Jewish people were expelled from the Holy Land after the destruction of the Second Temple in A.D. 70 by the Romans. Later on they did settle again in small communities in Palestine, certainly after Islam became the dominant religion under the Arabs after the Prophet Muhammad's death in the 7th century and the Arab invasions soon after. In later centuries, Palestine was under the domination of the Ottoman Turks. Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in peace during those centuries. But Palestine was inhabited mostly by Muslim and Christian Arabs. Thus Palestinian Arabs can hardly be called an "invented" people.
Zionism upset things for sure after World War I in 1917 and especially after the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948 when many Arab Palestinians lost their homes and cities and were forced into refugee camps. Since then, not only has there been turmoil in Palestine but also in the whole Middle East!