Every time I've gone to a strip club, I like seeing naked ladies. Then I walk out and think, why did I pay for that? It's like watching a chef cook a steak and then throw it in a trash can.
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Every time I've gone to a strip club, I like seeing naked ladies. Then I walk out and think, why did I pay for that? It's like watching a chef cook a steak and then throw it in a trash can.
madame_zora
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Every time I've gone to a strip club, I like seeing naked ladies. Then I walk out and think, why did I pay for that? It's like watching a chef cook a steak and then throw it in a trash can.
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[/b][/quote]That's hilarious! You know, as long as I've been in or around the business, I've never figured it out myself.
I have no problem if my girlfriend wants to go out and party, because I do occasionally. I just tell her to be responsible. I trust her around alchohol and other guys because we know eachother so well, so I tell her that if she can handle herself I have no problem with her doing that stuff.
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My wife and I went out w/o each other quite a few times in the first five or six years when we were just living together. But I now look back and think we were idiots not because of trust or jealousy but just because of the physical danger to her. Nobody would protect her like I would if a mugger or armed robber or potential kidnapper/rapist would come along, or if there was a fire at a club or something, and it is stupid to pretend it couldn't happen. She is so precious to me, I now tell her when she suggests going out with someone without me (at night, I mean) that I can't stand the idea because "I wouldn't let so-and-so just borrow the Hope Diamond and drive it around without me there to guard it! I certainly don't want to risk losing YOU!!!" We get out a lot, and she's with other people all day at work...I want her all to myself the few hours we get to be together.
I should point out she actually was attacked several times, almost killed once by a creep who was caught a few months later for a number of serious crimes and is serving 30 years in jail for them. I just couldn't take going through that shit again.
I should point out she actually was attacked several times, almost killed once by a creep who was caught a few months later for a number of serious crimes and is serving 30 years in jail for them. I just couldn't take going through that shit again.
Misty: Unfortunately, Burlesque dancing, my preferred dance style, which is so much more erotic, watchable and enjoyable by both sexes doesn't pay brilliantly and is infrequent in gigs. So, I strip. But, dont worry, I understand the objections to it as long as everyone understands we're not all strung-out druggies or the end result of so many complexes and personal issues it'd take a phone book to list them LOL. 
Like other people say, I think its essential you let your partner have time with their friends and its nice to see you've got one of those cool relationships. Its so nice to catch up with those people and be able to relate to them one on one, rather than as the couple you are now part of. Especially if they're old friends and so much of your relationship is unfathomable to other people. When you get into that flow that old friends have it can, without meaning to, exclude everyone else so its probably a nice little break for you as well.
Mickeys is a funny night out for you and your wife, especially if Grant is still there.
Like other people say, I think its essential you let your partner have time with their friends and its nice to see you've got one of those cool relationships. Its so nice to catch up with those people and be able to relate to them one on one, rather than as the couple you are now part of. Especially if they're old friends and so much of your relationship is unfathomable to other people. When you get into that flow that old friends have it can, without meaning to, exclude everyone else so its probably a nice little break for you as well.
Mickeys is a funny night out for you and your wife, especially if Grant is still there.
Misty: Grant, like Lola if you know your Barry Manilow, is a dancer (okay, Barry said showgirl but the same kind of thing lol). Very hunky, very hung, very, very gay so very safe but still nice to look at lol
is his last name? "fagan"?Originally posted by Misty@Apr 13 2005, 09:04 PM
Grant, like Lola if you know your Barry Manilow, is a dancer (okay, Barry said showgirl but the same kind of thing lol). Very hunky, very hung, very, very gay so very safe but still nice to look at lol
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madame_zora
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Misty, several of us are or were exotic dancers, both amoung the men and women. You aren't an endangered species, nor should you have to feel odd in our company. I danced from 1990 to 1993 and have been making stripper's costumes ever since. We each bring to the table our own unique viewpoints, and I am already enjoying reading yours. I don't think a strung-out crackwhore could write like you do! Just wanted to let you know it's fun having you around.
For the relationships that Iâve been in it hasnât been an issue. I do not frequent the strippers and the subject never really came up. I think that there is enough to do without heading out there. (O.K. Iâve never really enjoyed bars anyhow.) Iâve seen it from both sides. (The male and female strippers.) In the province where I reside it is legal to throw âlooniesâ and âtoonies.â (1 and 2 dollar coins for those of you too far South of the boarder to have run across them.) The girl will position herself and the guys will try to hit the âtarget.â It's just not my thing.
Misty- I know there is a stigma attached to the job. Iâve met fabulous ladies who stripped to pay the rent and to provide for their kids and Iâve known others who did it to feed their habits, so I make no judgments based on the occupation nor shoud anybody else.
As for the nights out Iâve seen it all- from one group I picked up who requested a booth at the back and refused the Champaign (I was driving the Suburban to pick up groups for ladies night. I asked why the odd request they politely informed me they won the tickets, were Christians and just wanted to go for a âladies night out.â)
Iâve also had to toss some out after getting far too rowdy and far too drunk and I wonât even go into the examples. Even though I feel there a better places to spend a night the groups that usually go are just stepping out for a bit of fun. All of this finally allows me to answer the first three questions of the original post. Provided that there is trust in the relationship why not? If there isnât the level of trust to âallowâ the other partner to head out to the strippers why would you be in the relationship in the first place?
One final note- though straight I have been to the male strippers about 50 times more often that the female strippers. I used to be a bouncer at a number of clubs that had a âladies night.â Iâll tell you that the ladies behave about the same as the guys- which is to say that most of them have a great time indulging in some harmless fun.
Misty- I know there is a stigma attached to the job. Iâve met fabulous ladies who stripped to pay the rent and to provide for their kids and Iâve known others who did it to feed their habits, so I make no judgments based on the occupation nor shoud anybody else.
As for the nights out Iâve seen it all- from one group I picked up who requested a booth at the back and refused the Champaign (I was driving the Suburban to pick up groups for ladies night. I asked why the odd request they politely informed me they won the tickets, were Christians and just wanted to go for a âladies night out.â)
Iâve also had to toss some out after getting far too rowdy and far too drunk and I wonât even go into the examples. Even though I feel there a better places to spend a night the groups that usually go are just stepping out for a bit of fun. All of this finally allows me to answer the first three questions of the original post. Provided that there is trust in the relationship why not? If there isnât the level of trust to âallowâ the other partner to head out to the strippers why would you be in the relationship in the first place?
One final note- though straight I have been to the male strippers about 50 times more often that the female strippers. I used to be a bouncer at a number of clubs that had a âladies night.â Iâll tell you that the ladies behave about the same as the guys- which is to say that most of them have a great time indulging in some harmless fun.
madame_zora
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Dolf, that was a great post. Your experience is far greater than mine as far as the male shows go. I've only been to a handful of male shows, but I found one element to be different- expectations. The women I saw were not thinking they would get the guy to go home with them, or give them head in the back room. The mood was hot and sexy, but still had an air of ridiculousness and innocence about it. It was removed from reality. The female strip clubs I go to are very different, far more sleazy, at least in what the guys expect. I rarely get through a night without hearing some girl tell me about some loser who pulled out his dick in from of her, women just don't go around exposing our pussy the same way!
The best show I ever saw was a troupe of guys I sewed for (straight) who performed at a gay club. The tips were better and they were treated great. That's probably my best memory of the industry.
The best show I ever saw was a troupe of guys I sewed for (straight) who performed at a gay club. The tips were better and they were treated great. That's probably my best memory of the industry.
Thanks Zora. In retrospect though both atmospheres are hot and fun some of the patrons expectations (or should I say fantasies) about what they are hoping to get after the show differ between men and women. What I was trying to say is that a group of guys or a group of girls can go out to the strippers and have a good time without their significant others having to worry. By the same token you are right, the guys are far more likely to be pigs, but that seems to be the way many of us were born (but honey, darling; it wasnât my fault⦠Iâm a male and as such I have a genetic predisposition to be this way.)
You bring up an interesting point about the cash. I watched and know roughly what the guys would make in a night and I often wondered if it was really worth traveling for. I donât know what they would make at a gay bar, but I can only assume that it would be more.
You bring up an interesting point about the cash. I watched and know roughly what the guys would make in a night and I often wondered if it was really worth traveling for. I donât know what they would make at a gay bar, but I can only assume that it would be more.
madame_zora
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Geez, sorry I came off like an ass, I didn't really mean to slam men (this time), now that I think about it, there are a few reasons for the differences in atmosphere. Here in my area, there are no full time clubs devoted to male strippers, so when they do come around, it's an "event", not an everyday occurance. In clubs where women work day after day and men can visit the sme gilr as often as he can afford it, there's a sense of "getting to know you" and possibly even the impression she's starting to like him. There's even the remote possibility that she actually does (though far less likely). Also, there are girls who will turn tricks in almost every club, so if a guy has the audacity to ask enough girls, eventually someone will probably say yes. They know this, so they ask everyone. Sure, many will get offended, but not anyone who's been around for more than ten minutes! Seriously, girls who strip but claim they don't know any hookers are so full of shit. In my own experience in the midwest, I'd say easily a third of strippers have at some point turned tricks.
For the most part, girls going out have no intention of paying a guy to have sex with them, they can go to any real bar they want and get laid for free. Strip shows are probably the safest place for them to go out together, because there are only other women in the audience! The guys are going home to their wives, g/fs, or they're gay- they aren't there to pick up girls, although I'm sure it happens sometimes.
Now, I haven't been to a male strip show since the early 90's, but the troupe I knew would make usually over $500 a night apiece to dance for women at a well attended show, and probably double that dancing for men. I'd think that would be worth travelling for, especially if you were in locations where there is a crowd. I am sure in larger clubs it would be pretty easy to make more dancing for women, but in Cincinnati the shows were not huge either at the straight club or the gay club and that's the only experience I have. Judging from your avatar pic, you'd probably do well!
For the most part, girls going out have no intention of paying a guy to have sex with them, they can go to any real bar they want and get laid for free. Strip shows are probably the safest place for them to go out together, because there are only other women in the audience! The guys are going home to their wives, g/fs, or they're gay- they aren't there to pick up girls, although I'm sure it happens sometimes.
Now, I haven't been to a male strip show since the early 90's, but the troupe I knew would make usually over $500 a night apiece to dance for women at a well attended show, and probably double that dancing for men. I'd think that would be worth travelling for, especially if you were in locations where there is a crowd. I am sure in larger clubs it would be pretty easy to make more dancing for women, but in Cincinnati the shows were not huge either at the straight club or the gay club and that's the only experience I have. Judging from your avatar pic, you'd probably do well!
Oooh, you flatter me.:hug:
You actually didnât come off as bashing men- it was me, and usually as a group we deserve it.
There were no clubs devoted to male strippers in either city in which I worked. I never paid attention to what they were pulling in while in the city, but I paid a little more attention in the small town. (I'm sure they made more in the city- it drew a larger crowd.) It was a mining town about 4 hours North of civilization of about 50,000 people. There were almost always groups of 4 and they were paid about $500 cash + their tips (and though I could be mistaken I believe that their hotel was paid for.) The crowds were always modest up there. By my calculations they probably brought in 200 each give or take. So it was worth the travel, and being as I would assume that most of it was not claimed on their taxes it is more than you can make at many other jobs. I just never figured out why they would travel a day to get out to the town to pull in what really is not a huge sum. Now $200 isnât bad for roughly a half hours work, but it is nothing compared to what the female strippers in that town brought in. There were 2 clubs devoted to them and being a mining town they could probably retire pretty quick. (O.K. I exaggerate, but they were raking it in.)
You actually didnât come off as bashing men- it was me, and usually as a group we deserve it.
There were no clubs devoted to male strippers in either city in which I worked. I never paid attention to what they were pulling in while in the city, but I paid a little more attention in the small town. (I'm sure they made more in the city- it drew a larger crowd.) It was a mining town about 4 hours North of civilization of about 50,000 people. There were almost always groups of 4 and they were paid about $500 cash + their tips (and though I could be mistaken I believe that their hotel was paid for.) The crowds were always modest up there. By my calculations they probably brought in 200 each give or take. So it was worth the travel, and being as I would assume that most of it was not claimed on their taxes it is more than you can make at many other jobs. I just never figured out why they would travel a day to get out to the town to pull in what really is not a huge sum. Now $200 isnât bad for roughly a half hours work, but it is nothing compared to what the female strippers in that town brought in. There were 2 clubs devoted to them and being a mining town they could probably retire pretty quick. (O.K. I exaggerate, but they were raking it in.)
madame_zora
Sexy Member
Wow, Dolf, that makes me sad for Ohio. It used to be so fun here, but since 2000 the strip clubs have been nearly vacant. Ohio was hit very hard by the jobs lost under bush and the economy here blows my Grandma! I now make about one third of what I was making five years ago (that's right, 33%! and am facing a possible move in order to survive. Girls here are lucky to make $500 a week, and I'm not doing that regularly. Ohio sux, no one here has much expendable cash, and there isn't exactly much tourism. No wonder I'm so pissed off all the time! Looks like a good time to head south.
*smiles remembering what it was like to be able to afford the little extras like toothpaste and toilet paper*
and am facing a possible move in order to survive. Girls here are lucky to make $500 a week, and I'm not doing that regularly. Ohio sux, no one here has much expendable cash, and there isn't exactly much tourism. No wonder I'm so pissed off all the time! Looks like a good time to head south.*smiles remembering what it was like to be able to afford the little extras like toothpaste and toilet paper*
