Global warming?

[rbkwp]

 

[vince]

Anyone interested in the politics of climate change, or for that matter the politics of any kind of government regulation, should watch the documentary film Merchants of Doubt by Robert Kenner. The film shows how the playbook developed by big American tobacco companies to deny the link between smoking and cancer, has been redeployed by the the fossil fuel lobby to deny the link between industrial emissions and climate change. In fact, some of the most prominent climate change deniers are the very same people who spread doubt about the harmful effects of cigarettes decades ago.

 

[rbkwp]

trade duh
i can never understand such
happens here as well, chicken/pork
absolutely sick/ridiculous
why bother talking about the odd celeb that may use his private jet etc..
supply the poor African Countries with these foodstuffs

hat’s the Beef with the U.S./China Chicken Deal?

http://ecowatch.com/2015/07/14/chin...ail&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-cedc17b2c9-85968677

 

[rbkwp]

and a rarity for me ha
something positive about the USA ..
ahh ha cant deny it am impressed'

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sc...58314&promote_channel=edmail&mbnr=MTE3MjM0NTc

NASA spacecraft snaps first close image of Pluto

Published on Jul 14, 2015
An unmanned NASA spacecraft has snapped the first detailed glimpse of Pluto after shaving past the dwarf planet following a near decade-long journey.Al J

 

[rbkwp]

damn dang drought in Thailand
and send your pork/chickens to Somalia, trade for bannanas China ..

On Al Jazeera: Somalia goes bonkers for bananas
Published on Jul 15, 2015
Thai farmers struggle through crippling droughtAll this and more at

 

[rbkwp]

How Do We Stop Climate Change? - Brit Lab

 

[JulieInNaplesFL]

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[MisterVIP]

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/global-warming-primer-2nd-edition

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Global-Warming-Primer-updated-reduced-size.pdf

 

[Klingsor]

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/global-warming-primer-2nd-edition

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Global-Warming-Primer-updated-reduced-size.pdf

"There has been no warming for the last 16 years."

Tells you all you need to know about this source.

 

[MisterVIP]

"There has been no warming for the last 16 years."

Tells you all you need to know about this source.

You mean that it's based in fact and not political agenda?

 

[Klingsor]

You mean that it's based in fact and not political agenda?

10 Warmest Years on Record Globally

 

[MisterVIP]

10 Warmest Years on Record Globally

Funny, the report I linked cites the same sources used by the site you posted (NOAA, etc.). ClimateComedyCentral gets money from government agencies, yet they claim to be unbiased? Right.

Have a look at the pdf.

 

[Klingsor]

Funny, the report I linked cites the same sources used by the site you posted (NOAA, etc.). ClimateComedyCentral gets money from government agencies, yet they claim to be unbiased? Right.

Have a look at the pdf.

Do you really think the National Center for Policy Analysis has no political agenda?

National Center for Policy Analysis

 

[MisterVIP]

Do you really think the National Center for Policy Analysis has no political agenda?

National Center for Policy Analysis

Do you really think Climate Central has no political agenda? Stupid question. All progressives are honest, tolerant, humble, and decent human beings with not one bit of greed in them. Uh huh.

Even Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace, is calling shennanigans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...roof-humans-cause-climate-change-9159627.html

 

[MisterVIP]

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/lav2006-forWeb.pdf

 

[Klingsor]

Do you really think Climate Central has no political agenda? Stupid question. All progressives are honest, tolerant, humble, and decent human beings with not one bit of greed in them. Uh huh.

Even Patrick Moore, co-founder of Greenpeace, is calling shennanigans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...roof-humans-cause-climate-change-9159627.html

So let's not trust the politicians, on either side. Or lay people. I'm most inclined to listen to the scientists.

Of course, those on your side of the argument will usually counter that scientists can have biases of their own and are dependent on the politics of funding. Fair enough. But if, then, we can't give any credence to the findings of science, I'm not sure how else we can address this fundamentally scientific issue.

 

[Klingsor]

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/lav2006-forWeb.pdf

"People who know that they are morally superior to the rest of mankind are often tempted to ignore the moral norms on which Western civilisation depends. One of the most important of these rules is telling the truth. The Ninth Commandment states ‘Thou shalt not bear false witness….’"

This is how he begins a supposedly scientific treatise. But that shouldn't be surprising, given his lack of credentials in climate science, and his own political leanings.

Ray Evans

 

[MisterVIP]

So let's not trust the politicians, on either side. Or lay people. I'm most inclined to listen to the scientists.

Of course, those on your side of the argument will usually counter that scientists can have biases of their own and are dependent on the politics of funding. Fair enough. But if, then, we can't give any credence to the findings of science, I'm not sure how else we can address this fundamentally scientific issue.

The problem is in disingenuous scientists, who place politics over real science. There is no denying they exist, just as there are doctors who promote medically unnecessary procedures based on their own personal beliefs and not medical fact.

You also have to remember that many scientists were put into positions as a result of political influence too.

Let's face it, humans are inherently flawed. If men were angels, we wouldn't need laws to bind them or hold them accountable, as is the case with governments. Rule of law is better than rule of man, whose whims and jealousies lead to loss of life and liberty.

 

[MisterVIP]

"People who know that they are morally superior to the rest of mankind are often tempted to ignore the moral norms on which Western civilisation depends. One of the most important of these rules is telling the truth. The Ninth Commandment states ‘Thou shalt not bear false witness….’"

This is how he begins a supposedly scientific treatise. But that shouldn't be surprising, given his lack of credentials in climate science, and his own political leanings.

Ray Evans

Yet you overlook this:

As the former Canadian Environment Minister Christine Stewart put it:
"No matter if the science is all phony [sic], there are collateral environmental benefits…. Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."

-So it's not about science, it's about a political agenda? It's okay if we lie about climate change as long as we can use it to create utopia by force.

 

[Klingsor]

The problem is in disingenuous scientists, who place politics over real science. There is no denying they exist, just as there are doctors who promote medically unnecessary procedures based on their own personal beliefs and not medical fact.

You also have to remember that many scientists were put into positions as a result of political influence too.

Let's face it, humans are inherently flawed. If men were angels, we wouldn't need laws to bind them or hold them accountable, as is the case with governments. Rule of law is better than rule of man, whose whims and jealousies lead to loss of life and liberty.

Which is why scientific consensus is important. Not because science is conducted like an opinion poll or a popularity contest, but because scientific finding must be verifiable through further studies.

The overwhelming majority of scientists who have any real credentials in the field maintain that humans are the primary cause of increasingly dangerous global climate change. We may just have to agree to disagree here, but I do find that consensus significant.