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No, don't know this guy.

Is he chopping the heads off school girls while chanting "Allahu akbar"? He'll never make the religious big time if he doesn't get with the program.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Well, if you are talking about laws in Leviticus, those chaps were not allowed even to walk past a vinyard. They had very specific clothing requirements, including tassels on the corners, and prohibition against clothing of mixed fiber, and against cutting their hair. If you take one law, you gotta take 'em all. Pick and choose religion is an abomination.

Exactly the point I made in a previous point in this same topic about the religious extremists who 'cut and paste' Bible verses to suit their agenda and platform.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Thanks, Prep... but has your pastor ever mentioned these westboro freaks? Does he speak out against them? That's the problem, a few members will quietly, privately denounce them, but nothing is being done "corporately." What is the SBC's stance? Any of the other guiding bodies in the Baptist denomination? The Pope? PCUSA? PCA? Any of the synods, or parishes, or conventions, or cardinal community colleges, any of the seminaries? NO. They don't want to rock the boat or risk derision by those misguided freaks who think freddie is cool. By thanks, for realizing what freaks there are out there claiming your heritage, and using it against you and anyone else that they can.

P. S. I'm a little disappointed that no one has commented on either of the website links I posted earlier.

Actually, my church is not Southern Baptist. We are dually aligned with the American Baptist Churches USA and the National Baptist Church. The thing is when a persons says "Baptist", most people think "Southern Baptist Convention", which is the largest Baptist body, but one of many Baptist groups. My church, while not publically "open and affirming" or whatever the new catchword phrase is these days, has a significant gay/lesbian segment of the congregation. Come on, out of over 5400 members, there is going to be a large number. My pastor has spoken out against homophobia, just as he has spoken out against other types of things like sexism, racism, hate crimes, and the like. We have an active ministry to those affected by HIV/AIDS and own two homes to house families that have been afflicted with HIV. We are going to be building a hospice on our church campus to care for those dying from it, too. So while he hasn't spoken out against Phelps directly, he has taken an active stance against the likes of Phelps and the Phelpsites.

As someone else in this thread has mentioned, faith without works is a dead faith.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Well, if you are talking about laws in Leviticus, those chaps were not allowed even to walk past a vinyard. They had very specific clothing requirements, including tassels on the corners, and prohibition against clothing of mixed fiber, and against cutting their hair. If you take one law, you gotta take 'em all. Pick and choose religion is an abomination.

Don't forget the shellfish-eating. That's another sin from the same section.
 

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Rikter8 said:
I think Id be tempted to run those people with the signs down.

OOPs...missed the stoplight, sorry. Oh well.
Then we could go picket their funeral.
 

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@DC, you know, I understand what you're saying about wishing more people would publicly condemn this type of behavior, but then again, it's not like he's actually gaining momentum. Perhaps they feel like he's already a cartoon character on his own, I know I do. I'm much more disturbed when the more "mainstream" shady preachers use condemning language because people actually listen to them.

@RideRocket, because there was no term "homosexuality", the original words used referred to male protitutes, and female prostitution was also condemned. There was also a pagan movement at the time where sex acts were being done in the church as part of the worship service, and this was being condemned. Much more to this story than meets the eye.
 

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Dr Rock said:
um kids, you seem to be missing the point that both homophobia and organized religion are fucking retarded to begin with.

But Homophobia and Organised Religion are a happily married monogamous couple busily whelping out a brood even as we speak.
 

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Hate, assault and even murder...is perfectly "ok", "sanctioned" and often "required" when commited in the name of God. Even if God would disagree.
 

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RideRocket said:
Two more cents to add...
It's easy to quote scripture concerning a specific topic - anyone can do it to further a certain belief. Yet what they purposely omit is what the rest of the Bible states. While it may say that "homosexuality is a sin", it also teaches compassion.

While faith is one component of Christianity, the Book of James adds another qualifier - work and deeds that compliment your faith. i.e. - put your money where your mouth is. So instead of being judgmental, reach out and help your fellow man (regardless of their 'sin').
The Aramaic language has neither sodomy nor homosexual. Food for thought.
 

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Dr Rock said:
um kids, you seem to be missing the point that both homophobia and organized religion are fucking retarded to begin with.
Doc, Doc, I'm not missing the point. I'm saying that sticking your head in the sand won't make the freaks go away. Ignoring the homophobes and fundie-dunces isn't a good policy. FYI, go to www.cnn.com and read the story about the guy who went into a gay bar in New Bedford, Massachusetts with a hatchet and a shotgun (I just saw the story this morning, but dont' remember when he did it, but just in the last day or two.) I'm betting the farm that he will either try to use an insanity defense or "gay panic" defense. Um as far as I'm concerned, the insanity defense is idiotic. If you kill someone, other than self-defense, then you obviously have some mental dysfunction. That should not be mitigating.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Doc, Doc, I'm not missing the point. I'm saying that sticking your head in the sand won't make the freaks go away. Ignoring the homophobes and fundie-dunces isn't a good policy. FYI, go to www.cnn.com and read the story about the guy who went into a gay bar in New Bedford, Massachusetts with a hatchet and a shotgun (I just saw the story this morning, but dont' remember when he did it, but just in the last day or two.) I'm betting the farm that he will either try to use an insanity defense or "gay panic" defense. Um as far as I'm concerned, the insanity defense is idiotic. If you kill someone, other than self-defense, then you obviously have some mental dysfunction. That should not be mitigating.

I'm not sure what the reference to the attack at the gay bar has to do with religion. Just because someone is a homophobe doesn't automatically make them religious. While many religious zealouts are also homophobes, the two are mutually exclusive. Maybe you could clarify your point?

I do (for the most part though) agree with your take on those who plead insanity as a form of legal defense.
 

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http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm

This is a good link which explains a lot obout the different theories relating to the whole 'gays are bad' interpretation of the bible

With regards to sticking your head in the sand, I kind of agree with you but they do have every right to hold their beliefs, they may well sound stupid to you or me but we can't tell people what to think

Oh yeah, you're from the US, maybe you should lock them up just outside the US border and hold them there without access to a phone or legal support

:wink:
 

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RideRocket said:
I'm not sure what the reference to the attack at the gay bar has to do with religion. Just because someone is a homophobe doesn't automatically make them religious. While many religious zealouts are also homophobes, the two are mutually exclusive. Maybe you could clarify your point?
My point was NOT that all gay-bashers are "religious." Please re-read the post to which I was responding - Dr Rock mentioned TWO groups: homophobes and organized religion. He said both groups are "fucking retarded." I was making the point that just because either group is "fucking retarded", that does not mean they should be ignored. My reference to the gay-bashing incident was meant to specifically address the homophobes, and that simply dismissing them as freaks is a bit dangerous.
 

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They do have the right to their own beliefs, but do they have the right to invade a young man's funeral and wave signs saying they're glad he was beaten to death infront of his mourning family?

Madame Zora is absolutely right, many scholars are examining the translations we have of the Bible, and are finding that in many places it has been translated incorrectly, on purpose, because certain parts didn't fit with the doctrine of the time, or indeed changed because they felt that important things were missed out (or in other words, God in his infinite wisdom forgot to condemn something we don't like, so we'll add it in for him).

However, one message that does not appear to have been altered is that we are to love our enemies. Some people think that's a wishy washy thing, but the Bible points out that by doing so, we will heap burning coals on their head. Essentially, what that suggests is that if someone is behaving like your enemy, and you treat them with love and respect, they end up looking extremely foolish, and will feel that themselves. It's easy to fight with someone whos fighting you. However, when you attack someone and they respond with love, you end up looking like a grand A dork (which, to be honest, Fred Phelps is doing pretty well all on his own).

Homosexuals are the last "permitted" group you can publically attack. If Fred Phelps was out holding up placards saying that all black people deserved to burn in hell, he'd be arrested. Likewise if he was attacking all women, or all disabled people. Chances are, if he could attack any of those groups publically, he would be also. From what I've read about him he seems the sort that has far too much anger and self hatred built up inside him to do anything but attack everyone he can.

My biggest fear is that he and his group will progress from celebrating the deaths of gay people, and start to try to cause those deaths. He would have no problems justifying it to himself and his congregation.
 

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Lucifer is the best liar there is , and the best way to lie is to use the truth. That's what organizations like this one and it's leader are- instruments of the devil. And they're christians. They went looking for evil in the wrong place. The Bible teaches you to remove the log from your own eye before you point out the speck in that of your brother's. I think they also have yet to discover where it says, "For all are sinners and fall short of God's glory."