"God Hates Fags!"

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NYC8" said:
Almost all the Fundies I know suffered this kind of sick background.

I was interested to read that the writer tells us Phelps lost his mother at an early age--and his stepmother when an adolescent--and that his father was absent or distant. If that happened to you, wouldn't you believe in an angry god?

I have done a lot of Al-anon and ACoA work with dysfunctional families. There are some families which seek to control and abuse their children, and others where the children are neglected or abandoned. In my observation, the ones which fare worse are those who suffer the confusion of neglect or abandonment. If your dad's beating you, in some twisted way, he's giving you some attention. Maybe Phelps' kids will be better human beings.

Sorcerer, do I detect that this post and the post about your ex-girlfriend might be related? I remember you saying she had an Electra complex. An ex-colleague of mine did the same slut-to-saint switch, and was an Electra extraordinaire.
 

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Didn't read the thread...just the thread topic...lazy tonight.

You know what...I think as a gay man I have had to be a better human than if I hadn't been born gay...so in regards to what the big guy thinks about us...I actually believe God loves fags. I never consider myself all religous, but in my heart of hearts I talk to my greater self at times and feel a special bond with the big guy. It is the true irony of religon...Fags are the chosen people! Seriously!
 

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CUBE said:
Didn't read the thread...just the thread topic...lazy tonight.

You know what...I think as a gay man I have had to be a better human than if I hadn't been born gay...so in regards to what the big guy thinks about us...I actually believe God loves fags. I never consider myself all religous, but in my heart of hearts I talk to my greater self at times and feel a special bond with the big guy. It is the true irony of religon...Fags are the chosen people! Seriously!

Of course God loves gays! ...Just as much as he loves straights.

I'm not religious AT ALL either. Me and religion don't mix. But that doesn't stop me from having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ though. Many fundies that get to know me are quite shocked that I'm a major supporter for gays. It's even gotten to the point that I've even been harrassed and condemned by fundies because I have gay friends. But I never let that get to me.

I hate that phrase, "love the sinner, hate the sin". If that was REALLY the case, then why is it that these "christians" who proclaim to love GLBT people in the name of God lift a finger to talk to them and make friends with them? What about inviting them to dinner after church or to a BBQ on a Friday afternoon? What about finding out what kind of problems they go through and see what they could do to make a difference in their lives? The bottom lines is that fundies don't care. They like to say that they have a love for GLBT people because they think it makes them look like pretty little saints before God. Nevermind the fact that their actions speak louder than their words. Sick and wrong. :mad:
 

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Stronzo said:
Madame_zora's avatar notwithstanding, ORCABOMBER your sense of "bringing it down to brass tacks" is amazing. Amen.
Well that makes 1 person who doesn't think I'm creatively b-sing BTW.

BTW, am I allowed to "feel googly" overZora's avatar, seeing as how I'm not a neo-nazi? :biggrin1:


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DigitalHunk, I think you've summed up all the religous probs of this millenium. To be honest, if we had more Mother Theresas and less "Popes", the world would be a better place.
 

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digitalhunk007 said:
I hate that phrase, "love the sinner, hate the sin". If that was REALLY the case, then why is it that these "christians" who proclaim to love GLBT people in the name of God lift a finger to talk to them and make friends with them? What about inviting them to dinner after church or to a BBQ on a Friday afternoon? What about finding out what kind of problems they go through and see what they could do to make a difference in their lives? The bottom lines is that fundies don't care. They like to say that they have a love for GLBT people because they think it makes them look like pretty little saints before God. Nevermind the fact that their actions speak louder than their words. Sick and wrong. :mad:

You my friend, have basically summarized the Book of James. If only more Christians would get it too...

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headbang8 said:
Almost all the Fundies I know suffered this kind of sick background.

I was interested to read that the writer tells us Phelps lost his mother at an early age--and his stepmother when an adolescent--and that his father was absent or distant. If that happened to you, wouldn't you believe in an angry god?

I have done a lot of Al-anon and ACoA work with dysfunctional families. There are some families which seek to control and abuse their children, and others where the children are neglected or abandoned. In my observation, the ones which fare worse are those who suffer the confusion of neglect or abandonment. If your dad's beating you, in some twisted way, he's giving you some attention. Maybe Phelps' kids will be better human beings.

Sorcerer, do I detect that this post and the post about your ex-girlfriend might be related? I remember you saying she had an Electra complex. An ex-colleague of mine did the same slut-to-saint switch, and was an Electra extraordinaire.

I've been in AA for 10 years. I too have family issues. My father is a functioning drunk and my mother a screaming Al-Anon. On the outside there's the big house and all the "stuff" but it's all very hollow. Perceptive outsiders always notice how contrived it all is. My "punishing God" issues were simply from the God I'd been taught existed. In AA I learned that I could have a Higher Power of my own choosing. The idea had never occurred to me. My house was a Godless house, my religious education came from my grandparents and from my own rebellious stint in church as a teen. That's right, I went to church to piss off my father. I went to Protestant churches. My father is ex-Catholic and carries the appropriate baggage. My father beat me semi-regularly whenever his temper snapped. I never saw it as attention. I never wanted any from him, I just wanted him to leave me alone. My grandfather was my dad in every sense of the word. He was the kindest, gentlest man I've ever met. He passed when I was 16, shortly after that my trouble started. I quit church for good at 17. Draw your own conclusions. In the real world many perceive me as being hard and cold. It's my defense mechanism and was necessary growing up. I showed no emotion and thus gave him no satisfaction. It took a loving, patient man, years of therapy and years of AA to get to where I am today. In my own slut years, I wondered why I did it and in retrospect it seemed like a drug.

Now my ex-girlfriend: she came from a Godless house too. Hers was worse, they were Atheists. Her father was German but I believe 1st generation and didn't show emotion. Her mother always seemed somehow very fragile. I think she did feel neglected. She fucked her way into lots of attention. As I said before, I think the biggest part of it was that she just loved to fuck. I've had arguments over this but she was the most sexual person I've ever met, even moreso than my porn star friend (who does it because she enjoys it). Her brother seemed to mastrubate all day in his room on the weekends. Those two were a couple of horny kids! The one thing I never liked about her was her cynicism. She seemed much older that way. Now it's disturbing because her sharp wit seems to be gone. We're not speaking, it took exactly 3 e-mails to determine that we had absolutely nothing in common. I still get her stupid Christian humor forwards. Years later as I was taking my college courses for counseling, I thought of her level of sexuality as we studied sexual abuse...which was a good chunk of my schooling. The driven sexuality fit but nothing else did. So we're left with a cold but generous father, an infantile mother and ??? BTW her mother always helped her get her slutty outfit, hair and makeup right before her dates. Ahhh, those long legs. But I digress...is there such a thing as a slut for slut's sake? I don't know. Is it because of her family? Could be. Maybe she's found a new family in her church and that makes her happy. I don't know but I'll tell you one thing: I don't believe she's changed as much as she'd like us to believe.

My ex's home was somewhat cold. Her father seemed to care more about work and building his hot rods. Maybe that's your answer.
 

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digitalhunk007 said:
Of course God loves gays! ...Just as much as he loves straights.

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I hate that phrase, "love the sinner, hate the sin".
Me too, because most of the ones who spout that tired catchphrase actually transpose it in action... they tend to love (read: focus on, as phelps does) the sin, and hate the sinner.
digitalhunk007 said:
If that was REALLY the case, then why is it that these "christians" who proclaim to love GLBT people in the name of God lift a finger to talk to them and make friends with them? What about inviting them to dinner after church or to a BBQ on a Friday afternoon? What about finding out what kind of problems they go through and see what they could do to make a difference in their lives? The bottom lines is that fundies don't care. They like to say that they have a love for GLBT people because they think it makes them look like pretty little saints before God. Nevermind the fact that their actions speak louder than their words. Sick and wrong. :mad:
This part is because the only scripture these idiots read are two lines from Leviticus and one line from The Gospel According to Paul. Never mind all the stuff about their proclaimed-but-not-practiced savior dining with tax collectors and hanging with thieves and prostitutes. They never bother to get the "red-letter edition" of their bible, and read the supposed actual quotes from the person who supposedly founded and became their proclaimed religion. Zealots and Pharisees, eh?