Goddamn Atheists Are Pissing Me OFF!

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My first post (I need to make an about me)

uhm...here is goes...

I believe in christmas but I think it is wrong to force christmas down people's throats. Christmas, should be celebrated to those who follow the belief. Most christians would be horrible offended if they didn't hear merry christmas and hear happy hannukah everywhere. It is a Holiday Season, from Thanksiginvg until the beginning of january it is the holiday season. There are four holidays crammed in that time period, it is easier to say Happy Holidays than to say, "Have a happy Hannukah, Christmas, Kawnzaa, and New Year's Eve."

People believe different things, it is wrong to believe your holiday should trump.

my two cents

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
 

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Simcha dahlink, you need to live in the northeast. Both the private prep school and the public schools I attended in New Jersey closed for Rosh ha Shana, and Yom Kippur. Passover often coincided with the Easter break which became known as Spring Break eons ago. For the more observant students who took off for Sukkoth it was not counted as an absence as long as they made up the work.

Well, Merry Fucking Christmas to all of you! LOL tee hee hee

Personally I don't care about other people's public displays of Christmas wishes and cheer. I don't mind being told, "Merry Christmas" at stores, even though I'm Jewish and don't celebrate. At least these people are saying something nice to me.

Where I find objection is that Christmas is a national holiday. We are supposed to have separation of Church and State. State, local, and federal governmental agencies should not have any religious holidays. I see your point but I disagree, if their had been Jews on the Mayflower this wouldn't be up for discussion.

Instead I would propose three or four floating holidays that employees could use whenever their particular holidays happen. I'd much rather be able to take Rosh ha Shana, Yom Kippur, and the first day of Passover off than have next Tuesday off. To me it'll be good to have a day off, but it's meaningless to me. I can see I have to teach you how to be a NJ Jew. On Christmas day you and your family are supposed to go to the movies and enjoy your film in peace without all us pesky gentiles coming in after the previews and talking to the screen like the characters can hear us. :tongue: After this you go out for Chinese food and marvel at the fact there is no line for the best place in town.

So, this alleged "War on Christmas" is really brought on by you Christians you know. :confused: How do you figure? Those of us who aren't Christian don't want to celebrate your holiday and according to the US Constitution, we don't have to celebrate it. We should be free to celebrate our holidays too. Now you know I love my Jews and have no problem with any of your holidays.
Now, where I work I have to take personal vacation time in order to get Rosh ha Shana, Yom Kippur, and the first day of Passover off. Since Christmas is an agency holiday, no Christians are forced to take away one of their vacation days to observe their holiday. And Easter is always on Sunday, so that day is always free for them. You are gonna really hate me now :redface: but in New Jersey schools and state offices close for Good Friday as well.:redface:

This is discrimination. I should be able to get floating holidays for my religious holidays that do not take away from my vacation time, so that I would be treated like the Christians who work for our agency who have their holidays respected.

If there were a set number of floating holidays that people could choose even the atheists could appreciate it. They could take their birthdays off, and important days like anniversaries and such as their holidays, or whatever...

Some companies give mental health days in addition to personal time and sick time. I think thats a great idea.
 

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Some companies give mental health days in addition to personal time and sick time. I think thats a great idea. [/FONT]

Girlfriend, are you trying to tell me that I should take a mental health day to celebrate my religious holidays? Are you trying to imply that it might be mentally unbalanced to celebrate non-Christian holidays and thus the rest of us should take our holidays as "mental health days?" :biggrin1:

And I know that there are places in the country where there is a proliferation of Jews that Jewish holidays are observed on their calendars. I'm not saying that this is the best way to handle it. Where I grew up, the Northwest Suburbs of Chicago we also had Jewish holidays off in the public schools.... And don't get me started about, "Good Friday."

I think a better solution would be to have floating holidays so that people of whatever faith could take their holidays whenever they happen. You could mandate 3-5 per year so that abuses wouldn't occur. That would be the most equitable way of handling this...
 

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. I see your point but I disagree, if their had been Jews on the Mayflower this wouldn't be up for discussion.


Wow. Is this about who was here first? Ya know, I do believe there were people here even before that. Straight hair, good tans, lots of buckskin. Know who I mean?
 

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December 25th is the day me and mine choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. If we choose to do it by dragging a conifer into the house and decorating it with everything from lights and garland to gilded cherubim and cranberrys that is my right.

As far as I know, the "Christmas" tree has its origin in pre-christian culture in Northern Europe. But as an open minded North European atheist, I don't mind that you use it in your celebration. :wink:
 

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Wow. Is this about who was here first? Ya know, I do believe there were people here even before that. Straight hair, good tans, lots of buckskin. Know who I mean?

They don't matter, don't you remember Nick4444 on the last page? It seems they summed it up for NJ already.
 

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Wow. Is this about who was here first? Ya know, I do believe there were people here even before that. Straight hair, good tans, lots of buckskin. Know who I mean?

Oh, but you know they don't really count. They were just the savages who were no better than the wild animals found on this continent when the civilised peoples of Europe got here. Those savages didn't even have strong enough immune systems to be able to fight off proper diseases like smallpox and measles. :tongue:
 

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December 25th is the day me and mine choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. If we choose to do it by dragging a conifer into the house and decorating it with everything from lights and garland to gilded cherubim and cranberrys that is my right.
I am sick to death of Holiday Breaks, Holiday Cards and Happy Holidays Greetings. I like seeing lit menorahs and Christmas trees downtown and in front of city hall. If you don't like it ignore it.

And isn't Christianity the religion of the slaver?
 

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This is what I do:

I say "Happy Holidays" up until December 24.

On Dec 24 and 25 I say "Merry Christmas".

On December 31 and January 1 I say "Happy New Year".

But always, under my breath, I mutter "I hate this fucking time of year".
 

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Girlfriend, are you trying to tell me that I should take a mental health day to celebrate my religious holidays? NO!!! :mad: Are you trying to imply that it might be mentally unbalanced to celebrate non-Christian holidays and thus the rest of us should take our holidays as "mental health days?" :biggrin1: Not by a long shot and you know it.
*SNIP* And don't get me started about, "Good Friday." That's a weird one which I personally don't get. I think people give it as a day off out of habit. I understand the significance of the holiday to christians, but the services which celebrate it are always at night so I'm not sure why I need the whole day off for it. I think a better solution would be to have floating holidays so that people of whatever faith could take their holidays whenever they happen. You could mandate 3-5 per year so that abuses wouldn't occur. That would be the most equitable way of handling this... I agree and disagree. What about the people who do not practice a faith? Do they also get 3-5 floating days off? If so, why?

Wow. Is this about who was here first? Ya know, I do believe there were people here even before that. Straight hair, good tans, lots of buckskin. Know who I mean? I know exactly who you mean dearheart. You are referring to my maternal great grandfather a full blooded Cherokee. :biggrin1: One of my projects for next year is tofind out more about that branch of my family.
Oh, but you know they don't really count. They were just the savages who were no better than the wild animals found on this continent when the civilized peoples of Europe got here. Those savages didn't even have strong enough immune systems to be able to fight off proper diseases like smallpox and measles. :tongue: Speak for yourself babe, my Cherokee ancestors not only avoided the Trail of Tears, they were land owners. We still own some of the land that my maternal great grandfather owned in 1813.
And isn't Christianity the religion of the slaver? True, but you can't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
 

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Thank you nj for making this thread. Here is my opinion on the subject. Christmas is both a religious holiday and a secular one. As such, Christmas sentiments, displays, and practices are welcome in the public sector in America, along with Menorahs, etc.

I object to the crass commercialization of Christmas.

However, as a very devout Christian (church council president, weekly church goer, etc) I am adamant that all expressions of all religions are welcome everywhere except when expressed by the government. This is the key point, and the one that the supreme court has consistently held. And that is when it comes to mattters of faith, no agent of the government, be they president, congressman, state congessman, local school board, police departtment or your public school teacher is competent in matters of your faith or your child's faith.

Ironically, it is this separation of church and state that has help make America the most religious country on the face of the earth. So I am all for nativity scenes, and all other religious displays this time of year everywhere except on government property.

I and my children will take my spiritual guidance from a church, but we will definitely not take it from a school board member or a teacher. We will fight with every ounce of our breath to keep religious expression of the hands of the governemnt and keep all agents of the government from endorsing a religion or conducting any religious excercises.

As a Christian I demand that the government stay out of all matters of faith, and that any breach of that iis a slippery slope towards a state religion.

Every Christian should understand that the Consititution is the very thing that stands between them and a state religion. And every Christian should defend that aspect of the Constitution with their very lives.

As for stores, private property, and church property, I endorse the notion that all are free to express whatever they want to in their own best interest, be it a secular holiday greeting or a very religous Christmas display.

There is no "War on Christmas" except for stores maximizing their revenue, and others guarding against government expression of any kind of religios preference
 

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Speak for yourself babe, my Cherokee ancestors not only avoided the Trail of Tears, they were land owners. We still own some of the land that my maternal great grandfather owned in 1813..

Great, my Cherokee ancestors were forced on the Trail of Tears and ended up in Oklahoma. I'm an 1/8th. Grandpa was 1/2.

And isn't Christianity the religion of the slaver? True, but you can't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Hmmm, I don't know, there's something for me about the message of Christianity being all about love and acceptance and the practitioners doing the opposite that bugs me.

Now I know that it's not all of them....


However, I think that if I were African American I would want to find out what my ancestors believed and practiced, if that were possible. I'd want to honor them and make sure their spirits knew I hadn't forgotten the ones who were stolen from their homes, taken to a strange land, and abused as commodities by people who should have known better. This is just my opinion.
 

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Let's all celebrate with: Off-base generalizations about an entire group of people; Offensive, bigoted and hateful speech; Placing blame on a group of people for something they, as a group, have nothing to do with.

PS, thanks for making my holiday season that much brighter by being hateful towards a group I happen to fall in. It makes me so cozy to be reminded that I'm part of the most hated group of people on earth (especially this time of year)!

Love,
Resident Atheist Accepting of Others With Differing Beliefs
 

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:soapbox: Njqt, girl you know you crack me up! You are just so cute when you get on your soap box! I'm going to stay out of this argument, but I want to wish you a very merry Christmas!:biggrin1:
 

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Let's all celebrate with: Off-base generalizations about an entire group of people; Offensive, bigoted and hateful speech; Placing blame on a group of people for something they, as a group, have nothing to do with.

PS, thanks for making my holiday season that much brighter by being hateful towards a group I happen to fall in. It makes me so cozy to be reminded that I'm part of the most hated group of people on earth (especially this time of year)!

Love,
Resident Atheist Accepting of Others With Differing Beliefs


Actually, I have great respect for Atheists so long as said Atheists respect my right to express my religion. I'm on your side when it comes to keeping government away from endorsing or limiting expression of religion. Stores are private property. Private schools, like Catholic Schools, are private property. Houses and lawns are private property. Therefore all of these places should be able to express whatever they wish religiously without suppression.

Atheists should be free to express their views wherever they wish too so long as they don't use the government to squash freedom of religious expression.

So, I'm glad you are one of those Atheists that I admire, the ones who respect diversity and other people's rights to express religious sentiment.