Good Ole Dubya

[Pecker]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Nov 11 2004, 01:59 PM
I would like the staunch supporting Republicans to tell me exactly why it's okay for us to insert ourselves in Iraq "to save them from their despot leader", but we seem to have no interest in saving other civilizations (like South Africa) who have needed us throughout time and we have no interest in helping.

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Regardless where W started there are enough people who just plain totally dislike the man that there would be the same question: why there? what about over here? or here? hey, don't forget over here.

I, for one, feel he has done the right thing. The war on terror/terror-supporting-despots is new to us. The learning curve has to be steep.

One country at a time.

 

[madame_zora]

Pecker, I can only speak for myself, by I dislike him BECAUSE of his choice to go to war with a nation where we did not have justifiable reasons to attack, it's not that I hated him first and then looked for reasons to pick him apart. I don't think the Geneva Convention should have been overlooked, I think it was a greivous error to alienate so much of the world, and based on this, I see him as doing a poor job of leading the nation. We are in a hideous deficit that just keeps mounting to pay for this very unpopular war based on nothing but false premises, it was supposed to be about wmds- only AFTER they were not found did he present the idea that Saddam was just a bad man that had to be stopped, so thank gawd we were already there by accident. Nowadays, you ask the average guy walking down the pike why we're in Iraq, and they say it's to fight terrorism!! We all know that's not true, so what gives? The terrorists are mostly Saudis, according to the news that ran right after 9/11, but no one's even suggested going after Saudi Arabia (gee, they have oil too).

I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of the whole political structure, but I can damn sure smell a rat when it's decaying closeby.

 

[13788]

gwinea2000:

Originally posted by madame_zora@Nov 12 2004, 12:25 AM
Nowadays, you ask the average guy walking down the pike why we're in Iraq, and they say it's to fight terrorism!! We all know that's not true, so what gives? The terrorists are mostly Saudis, according to the news that ran right after 9/11, but no one's even suggested going after Saudi Arabia (gee, they have oil too).

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The 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals, but the attacks were not funded by the House of Saud. Therefore, attacking Saudi Arabia would have been ridiculous. On the other hand, Saddam had actually funded terrorists (not the 9/11 terrorists) and their families. To say he had no interest in harming the US is ludicrous. Whether he was CAPABLE of a large-scale attack is another issue.

 

[jonb]

Actually, the attacks were funded by the House of Saud. Princess Haifa bint Faisal was caught with her hand in the cookie jar. Of course, she denied having any idea she was funding terrorism, which is either the rich-girl syndrome, a result of inbreeding, or a lie.

 

[KinkGuy]

Gee, well, let me think a while here.......hum......OK, I'll make a wild stab at this and say "lie?" ding!! ding!! ding!! What did I win? What did I win?

 

[13788]

gwinea2000:

Originally posted by jonb@Nov 12 2004, 08:44 PM
Actually, the attacks were funded by the House of Saud. Princess Haifa bint Faisal was caught with her hand in the cookie jar. Of course, she denied having any idea she was funding terrorism, which is either the rich-girl syndrome, a result of inbreeding, or a lie.

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Is that from your "Moscow Times" source as well? Or some very legitimate web-based conspiracy theorist site?

 

[SpeedoGuy]

Originally posted by Onslow@Nov 11 2004, 01:39 PM
Say what you want to about Ashcroft, but at least he didn't have people pointing high powered weapons at children. 

Perhaps not for staged events like the Elian Gonzalez affair.

I'll say this about Mr. Ashcroft: Don't gloss over the fact that he had a penchant for rushing the FBI in to point guns at, arrest, search the homes of, and hold incommunicado for weeks ordinary American citizens without charges even though the evidence against them was doubtful.

SG

 

[KinkGuy]

Originally, shortly after 9/11 I even read the article in our local paper, The Albuquerque Urinal (Journal). Believe me, it wasn't local reporting! The story ran in every major paper in the world. Albiet to little comment or follow up, since she denied knowing her millions were going to terrorists, but thought the money went to an Islamic school. Yeah, a school for terrorists. And the US government and white house said, "ok, we believe you", you wouldn't fib to us!

 

[KinkGuy]

On another note, or more of the same left, wing, radical, communist track I have been accused of. Am I the only person who noticed the fact that in one Cincinnati voting precinct, 100,000 more people voted than are even registered? That's in Ohio, right? Oh, and then Florida's still working out well...in 47 COUNTIES (yes counties, not precincts), bush recorded more votes than there are registered republicans. Tens of thousands more. So, bush took every republican vote and 15% of the registered Democrats AND ALL of the independent vote. Well, that's how the math works out. But WE are going to guide what used to be a sovereign state to conduct a free and democratic vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have to read a European (UK papers are very good) to find out what is going on in our friggin' country.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by SpeedoGuy@Nov 12 2004, 05:02 PM
Perhaps not for staged events like the Elian Gonzalez affair.

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Which illustrates Republican family values perfectly: It ends where courting Batistaistas and other neoliberals begins.

 

[madame_zora]

Originally posted by KinkGuy@Nov 13 2004, 01:13 AM
On another note, or more of the same left, wing, radical, communist track I have been accused of. Am I the only person who noticed the fact that in one Cincinnati voting precinct, 100,000 more people voted than are even registered? That's in Ohio, right? Oh, and then Florida's still working out well...in 47 COUNTIES (yes counties, not precincts), bush recorded more votes than there are registered republicans. Tens of thousands more. So, bush took every republican vote and 15% of the registered Democrats AND ALL of the independent vote. Well, that's how the math works out. But WE are going to guide what used to be a sovereign state to conduct a free and democratic vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have to read a European (UK papers are very good) to find out what is going on in our friggin' country.

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Sure, that's believable! After the dramatic shift between the time of the exit polls and the final count, well didn't we all expect something like this? I read that ALL the states who had the new electronic voting machines came out in favor of bush, even though they were down in one state (I can't remember which) for several hours, no one called a foul. To me, the final insult to we Ohioans was that he used us for the final nail in the coffin, WE who have suffered the worst in many ways at his hands. It just really felt like a hot poker in the ass, I find it unforgivable.

 

[jonb]

And to anyone in Ohio who really did vote for Bush: That's real special. (And you all know what I mean by "special".)

 

[madame_zora]

So, does anyone know if they've ever bothered to count the "special" ballots here in Ohio yet?

 

[KinkGuy]

MZ, last I heard Ohio had certified their votes and electoral votes without saying whether or not the provisional and absentee had even been counted. N.M., my little corner of nowhere, finally came up with a final YESTERDAY, gee, the shrub won by about 6,000 votes? There were a lot more provisional ballots and military absentee's than that and I don't know if they were counted here either. sniff, sniff. yep, the whole things stinks.

 

[jay_too]

Apparently, statistical analyses conclude that paperless voting machines helped Dubya win Florida. Check out:

http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/new_web/VOTE200...ction04_Sum.pdf

jay

 

[madame_zora]

Oh Florida, what a surprise!!

I suppose we should just turn a blind eye and offer our support to that criminal twice now, eh?