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Good with speeches, remarkably poor with honesty

Discussion in 'Politics' started by B_starinvestor, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. B_starinvestor

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    This is a letter from a Micheal Masters to Senator Obama. Its a little long, I apologize for that. However, factual and accurate. Time after time - dishonesty and misleading the American people. Maybe he'll start remembering the truth when he gets elected.:rolleyes:


    To Barack Hussein Obama,

    The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved you had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you previously admitted. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

    The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that you had a significantly closer relationship with To ny Rezko than what you previously admitted. In the interview, you said that you only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that you saw him weekly. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

    Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008, about 'race' contradicted your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you never heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America . While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14.

    In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without 'preparations' at lower levels ... Joe Biden repeated your words in his debate with Sarah Palin ... while the video tape from your debate last February clearly shows that you answered 'I would' to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without 'any' preconditions. While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the USA without pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America in the debate with McCain.

    On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you stated that the surge would not work. While your judgement about military strategy as a potential commander-in-chief is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14.

    You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal, while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed immediately ... not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now claim. While your judgement about removing our troops unilaterally in 2007 is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about your previous position.

    You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with Chuck Lugar ... and it failed. The record shows that you vote 97% in concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal voting record in th e Senate. You joined Republicans only 13% of the time in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is that you distorted the truth.

    In the primary debates of last Febru ary,
    2008, you claimed to have talked with a 'Captain' of a platoon in Afghanistan 'the other day' when in fact you had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been deployed to Afghanistan . You lied in that debate.

    In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a 'professor of Constitutional law' when in fact you have never been a professor of Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that you 'taught a law class' and never mentioned being a 'professor of Constitutional law.' You lied last spring.

    You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You distorted the truth.

    You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain specifically voted against funding for bio fuels, especially corn ... and he was right .... corn is too expensive at producing ethanol, and using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel to $6 a bushel for food. You distorted the truth.

    You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe Biden. You lied to America

    You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the votes are procedural. You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of the time with the president because you have been missing from the Senate since the day you got elected. While your absence from your job in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the facts.

    You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and Acorn.&n bsp; Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you sponsored as a state senator ... and Acorn has been convicted of voter fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign contributions. Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to your political campaigns. You personally used your political positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you. While your relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them to America .

    You claim that you will reduce taxes for 95% of America , but you forgot to tell America that those reductions are after you remove the Bush tax reductions. You have requested close to $1 billion in earmarks and several mill ion for Acorn. Your social programs will cost America $1 trillion per year and you claim that a reduction in military spending ($100 billion for Iraq ) can pay for it. While your economic plan of adding 30% to the size of our federal government is of concern, the greater concern is that you are deceiving America .

    The drain to America 's economy by foreign supplied oil is $700 billion per year (5% of GDP) while the war in Iraq is $100 billion (less than 1% of GDP). You voted against any increases to oil exploration for the last 3 years and any expansion of nuclear facilities. Yet today, you say that you have always been for more oil and more nuclear. You are lying to America .

    Mr. Obama, you claimed that you 'changed' your mind about public financing for your campaign because of the money spent by Republican PACs in 2004. The truth is that the Democrat PACs in 2004, 2006, and 2008 spent twice as much as the Republican PACs (especially George Soros and MoveOn.org). You are lying to America

    Mr. Obama, you have done nothing to stop the actions of the teachers union and college professors in the USA . They eliminated religion from our history. They teach pro gay agendas and discuss sex with students as young as first grade. They bring their personal politics into the classrooms. They disparage conservatives. They brainwash our children. They are in it for themselves ..... not America . Are you reluctant to condemn their actions because teachers/professors and the NEA contribute 25% of all money donated to Democrats and none to Republicans? You are deceiving America

    Oh, Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before anything else.

    Your character looks horrible. While you make good speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your rhetoric. You talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.

    1. You lied to America . You lied many times. You distorted facts. You parsed your answers like a lawyer.

    2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your advertisements.

    3. You had associations with some very bad people for your personal political gains and then lied about those associations.

    4. You divide America about race and about class.

    Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race baiting, and associations to John McCain: War hero. Annapolis graduate with 'Country first.' Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously elected presidents of the USA as a Navy officer for
    22 years. 26 years in the Senate. Straight talk. Maverick. 54% of the time participated on bills with Democrats. Never asked for an earmark. The only blemish on his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago.
    Mr. Obama, you are dishonest. Anyone who votes for you is enabling dishonesty.

    Mr. Obama , America cannot trust that you will put America first in your decisions about the future.

    Mr. Obama, you are not the 'change' that America deserves. We cannot trust you.

    Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander-in-chief.

    Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve. And God help America if we deserve you.



    Michael Master

    McLean, Virginia
     
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    who the hell is Michael Masters and why do we care what he thinks?
     
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    Clear-cut evidence Obama is a liar doesn’t concern you a bit?
     
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    Not when it's a random letter from any random individual. Who knows if this person is as deluded about Obama than, shall we say, yourself?
     
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    Poor grammar in the first paragraph, asking for 'God's' help in the last.

    Enough for me.

    Also, Obama is a terrible public speaker.
     
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    I'm not religious, and I'm hoping for God to help us, too.

    VB and IS, instead of taking Obama's cue and attacking Micheal Masters and Joe the plumber, please instead respond to the facts.
     
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    Dear fellow LPSG-ers:

    Now, to be fair just imagine how sad and narrow starinvestor's life must be for him to spend so much time and energy ranting and raving against Obama; especially on a large penis support group site? He resorts to any and all means to deride liberals, libertarians, and possibly librarians if one is not a conservative or a neo con. It's a mark of mental illness. We should take his diatribes in stride with the understanding that he is sick man most likely suffering a brain chemical imbalance.

    Have you checked out his gallery photos? He doesn't even have a large penis.

    But with the right treatment and compassionate care, it may be possible for starinvestor to overcome his shortcomings and live a reasonably productive, happy, and healthy life. Emphasis on the may.

    Remember: be kind and rewind.
     
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    People like starinvestor and Mr. M. Master only have a few days left to expect their slanted views and narrowed observations to be noticed. It's too bad the media is playing into it also, but that's what they do I guess.

    Anybody voting early? I am.
     
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    Main Entry: 1mav·er·ick Pronunciation: \ˈmav-rik, ˈma-və-\ Function: noun Etymology: Samuel A. Maverick †1870 American pioneer who did not brand his calves Date: 1867 1: an unbranded range animal ; especially : a motherless calf
    2: an independent individual who does not go along with a group or party...aka a turncoat by definition of starinvestor.
     
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    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I love the English Dictionary! :biggrin1:
     
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    Nice redirect Wonder Woman/midlife whoever you are. The consistency of the liberal mantra - attack anything and everything that walks, talks or breaths, but avoid confronting the facts at all costs.
     
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    Yup and you betcha. I just arrived back in the good ol' U S of Ayyy and am happily ensconced in my ranch house north of Wells, Nevada. Unfortunately, early voting does not begin until October 18th. But I'll be at the Elko County Court House early, waiting in line and chatting up my long-time neighbors; the majority of whom are old-time Republicans and have indicated in private and public that they will not be voting the GOP ticket this election. We've even got Caribou Barbi and McCain in state today trying to save Nevada from turning blue. I like blue. The sky is blue. My husband's eyes are blue. And Vegas and Reno are two places on the map that a Republican shouldn't try to change the minds of the "undecided." The "heartland carbine carrying gun patriots" are out in places like Panaca, Pioche, Austin, Eureka, Fallon, Ely, Caliente and Pahrump. And they often miss voting Republican because it interferes with mule deer and elk hunting seasons. One does have one's priorities. :biggrin1:

    BTW Starinvestor: With the right medication your ability to spell -- in English -- might also improve. You're so rabid that you can't breathe and you're all out of "breaths." LOL!
     
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    You know, you really ARE the master of irony. Just wanted to let you know.
     
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    Constructively polite today, aren't we?
     
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    I didn't attack Michael Masters, I asked who he was. And I didn't see any facts to respong to.
     
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    midlifebear?....you're liberal media? wow, how would starinvestor come to know this. Or could it be another generalization, some (conservatives?) are so prone too?
     
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    It's not a shock that he's lied, backpeddling, contradicted. Pretty much all politicians do it, en route to being all things and all issues to all ppl.

    What is a shock is how safe and friendly the mainstream media has been to Obama. They are protecting him at all costs... there's more on the Keating Five, Bristol Palin, and so on, ... then bringing any of his past to light under the guise of "we won't get into swiftboating again". I expected them to treat Obama with kid gloves, but this is frighteningly astounding... and thusly why the election is over. The McCain campaign needed to the mainstream media's job... and waited too late, and even then came out with a whimper.

    For example, the "redistribution of wealth" was buried. We spent more time on who Joe Plumber was, vs what Obama said to Joe Plumber.
     
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    Is anyone going to answer who Michael Masters is?
     
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    A U.S. citizen from McLean, Va.
     
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    Ahh, Faceking, I'm just so hopped up and giddy about being back in Nevada -- the last vestige of true civlization (remember, most Nevada counties regulate legal prostitution, no state income tax, a legislature that only meets every two years, etc.,) I'm just beside myself with glee. Plus, I just closed down and sold off my LLC for a profit! Wahoo! It's just a natural high and I feel compelled to share the feeling.

    (By the way, what's up with you? You haven't been posting anything that pisses me off for a long time time now! I like it when you piss me off.:wink:)
     
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    Dear John Sidney McCain,

    Count your lucky stars that your parents didn't name you Adolf.

    I wish they'd given you basic fairness and decency, the good sense to recognize that someone's name isn't a reflection of their character, outrage that the incessant hate-filled repetition of the word Hussein undermines our country's great tradition of religious and cultural tolerance, and the leadership skills to positively influence and mold the rhetoric that comes from your campaign and its supporters.

    Instead, they gave you a name as wholly palatable as that of Alfred Mossman Landon. May it bring you the same good fortune.



    Another Virginia voter.
     
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    QFT :smile:
     
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    So this is where you're seeking out "facts" now? From various, random letters from disgruntled citizens such as yourself? I'm sorry. Unless you show me a real fact and not another factoid, don't expect any answers.

    Besides, it's getting tiresome repeating the wheel. Obama's a terrorist. Obama's a Muslim. Obama's friends are racists and terrorists. Obama has ties to Fannie & Freddy. Obama is going to raise "your" taxes. Obama is not experienced enough. Obama is an elitist. Obama is a socialist. Obama's views are facist. Obama wants to share the wealth. Obama's not a true American. Obama's not a maverick. Obama's a black man. Obama doesn't support the troops in Iraq. Obama is "uppity". Obama uses earmarks.

    Did I forget anything? Obama has a bigger dick than McCain? :biggrin1:

    Seriously, I'm done with ANY arguments from the right that feed into any form of this rhetoric. And that letter is more of the McSame drama that has been the epicenter of his campaign. None of this is more important than the economy, health care, domestic & foreign issues and civil rights. With 2 weeks left in the election, can you at leas TRY to focus on the real stuff?
     
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    Sure.

    Economy - its a disaster but meaningful catalysts have been put into place which will resurrect economic health in due time. Nationalizing healthcare, repealing Bush tax cuts and increasing spending aren't appropriate given our current economic landscape.

    Health Care - I'm not totally against universal healthcare, but its a risky proposition considering a soft, susceptible economy.

    Civil Rights - is this issue really pushing voters one way or another?

    Foreign policy - This is pretty simple. You need look no further than experience with this issue.

    John McCain is not George Bush. The liberal community is so transfixed on Obama that they are willing to dismiss anything that questions his past or ties - so I won't waste my time going there.

    I don't think the author of the letter needs to be a Nobel Prize winner in order to make valid arguments that are backed up with facts.
     
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    QFT!!! :beerchug:
     
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    Starinvestor = Trinity - 50 IQ points?
     
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    We're spending the most money with the war. $10 Billion a month over a period of 1200+ days and you can see how this is of the other major contributors to our current financial situation. We need to finish up this war, not just because it's unwanted by most people in our nation, but because that $10 Billion a month is needed on our own shores to fix OUR own economy.

    For some, yes. Just like Global Warming even though neither candidate is really talking much about it.

    Experience is a good arguing point, however, in this case I fear McCain's overall attitude when approaching other countries especially the Middle East. Considering how much credibility and respect our nation has lost over these last 8 years, we can't afford to have a president in office who won't be willing to listen to our allies and work out real solutions. I fear McCain will be another one of those people who won't be willing to do such things.

    The past is irrelevant. Nobody picks a candidate based on legacy. Background information on our politicians is nice, and if we dig into everyone's past we're bound to find activity or correspondence that won't settle well with prudes. Liberals could have made an issue about McCain's character. We could talk about how he abandoned his first wife after she was a victim of an accident. We could talk about his role in the Keating Five. We could obsess over how he forgot how many homes and cars he owns. Hell, we can ask him if he smoked but never inhaled! Unlike the conservatives, who blatantly stated in June that they wanted to make this election about character, everyone else realized that there were too many real issues to focus on.

    He doesn't need to be a Nobel Prize winner, but he should be voicing real issues that are of concern to this contest. Honestly, that letter looks like a Faux News Editorial.
     
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    I'll take that as a compliment.
     
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    There is ACTUALLY a place called "Pahrump" Nevada???? Huh! More cows than people I bet!!

    BTWay -- get a real kick out of McCain going on and on about ACORN when he was their keynote speaker in 2006!

    and 1 more BTWay --- I'd luv to know what Cindy McCain spent on that diamond pin she always wears (and now Sarah P is also wearing one I'm sure isn't all rhinestones). Elitist??? Shucks NO!! Doesn't EVERYBODY have one.............. or 2?????
     
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