GOP Deep Trouble in California

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  1. sargon20

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    As if they didn't have enough trouble keeping the poor voting rich now the state that gave us Ronald Reagan is hustling quickly to the left....to the left...(everything they own in the box to the left). :smile:


    With their registrations sinking and their political clout withering, California Republicans have come out of the November election in danger of slipping into political irrelevance across much of the state.

    GOP appears in deep trouble in California
     
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    Hmm, I wouldn't sound the death nail just yet. :wink:

    I'm registered non-partisan and vote for the candidate that is best for my position without regard to party affiliation, and I think for state offices, Californians tend to do pretty much the same.

    I mean, for 15 of the last 20 years, we have had a Republican sitting as Governor. Our Senators are Democrats, both serving for the last 15 years without a significant threat to their office. But, our Congresspeople are always a mixed bag. State offices and legislature are about the same, mixed, but Democratic heavy.

    So, I think when people point to a trend when they see registration shrink for the GOP, they underestimate Californians' ability to vote across party lines - particularly on the state and local level.

    Plus, there isn't the traditional conservative/liberal schism in California, as most 'conservatives' tend to be moderate, even RINO-esque, and the same holds true for most Democrats.

    I would love to see some new blood come through in the upcoming elections, we have some interesting independent and 3rd party candidates. Personally, I am a big fan of Pamela J Brown, a perennial Libertarian candidate for State office.
     
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    Ph--leaze. They are dead dead dead in their current state for a progressive state like California. Anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-regulation, anti-immigration, anti, anti. The Hispanic vote, a huge block in California, is gone.

    The Republicans have alienated whole professions. Lawyers now donate to the Democratic Party over the Republican Party at 4-to-1 rates. With doctors, it’s 2-to-1. With tech executives, it’s 5-to-1. With investment bankers, it’s 2-to-1. It took talent for Republicans to lose the banking community.

    Conservatives are as rare in elite universities and the mainstream media as they were 30 years ago. The smartest young Americans are now educated in an overwhelmingly liberal environment.
     
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    thanks to bush and company................i can't stop singing his praises.
     
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    The republicans tied their entire future to the reactionary rubes of the middle of nowhere.
    Religious fascists, and people who are simply too stupid to understand the difference between TALKING conservative and DOING conservative.

    The only areas of the map where they will continue to hold sway are those same areas of irrelevant ignorance, where no amount of proof will convince folks that they backed a party of charlatans who were sucking money out of their pockets to hand over to the richest 1%.

    Right now it looks as if the republicans that pulled stakes and endorsed Obama... in hopes of leading their party back toward center... are NOT going to be heeded by the ideologues they have spent so much effort creating over the past 20 years.


    If the Republicans continue to adhere to this idiotic and hypocritical Free market nonsense... continue to try and inflame their base against 'liberals' as being bad people... and continue their vain attempts to dodge responsibility for the utter failure of their policies... then they WILL fade into irrelevance and leave the door open for a third party to usurp their position in American politics.

    As the investigation move forward... MORE and more evidence of republican failure, cronyism, graft and greed will come to light... more and more evidence that it was the de-regulation/small government dogma begun by Reagan that has brought us to this sad state.

    And the more the republicans try and evade and re-write history... the more even their base will ultimately be too embarrassed to listen.
     
  6. D_Fiona_Farvel

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    California will always have a significant conservative leaning population, especially among religious, suburban and rural communities. However, as I previously stated, California's conservative community is overwhelmingly moderate - we lack a true polarization between right and left - and candidates have the ability, with the right message, to receive votes from voters of either party. Hence our 'mixed bag' of representatives.

    Personally, I'll wait for proof of their obsolescence in the elections of 2010 and 2012.
     
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    You don't need to wait. Their message today is obsolete. They are obsolete with that message. That's why they are in deep trouble.

    No one is saying they won't recast themselves but the message WILL be different. They have no choice. But the problem with recasting themselves is the 'base' won't go with them.

    Presidential election electoral vote tracker - USATODAY.com - Just click the previous years and watch all the red states fade and fade and fade away.
     
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    You are seeing an uncharacteristic shift in voting over the last election simply because of the economic recession. Its been provent that incumbent parties always lose the White House in election years during a recession.

    Your fantasy about Republicans abondoning this, and leaving that, blah blah blah is just that...a fantasy.
     
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    I understand what's happening nationally with the GOP, in fact, it has been a topic of discussion between my friends and I for a few years. However, most moderate, even RINO, California Republicans do not fall into the "anti, anti", NeoCon mold. For those that do, I hope they take this time to reassess their position.
     
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    ... that's why Prop 8 won easily... deep deep trouble it seems.
     
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    We all know there was more to Prop 8 passing than the GOP.
    As usual, these sort of social issues unify like minds - similar to Wilson in '94 when he rode prop 187 to a decisive victory across party lines.

    Economics are far from the only reason

    Actually, Sargon is right, the GOP is in deep doo-doo nationally.
    However, I point to it being a certain extreme segment of the party that needs to be excised for them to become relevant again. I mean, Susan Collins is an incredibly popular Republican that was reelected this year, but she is one of the exceptions.
     
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    Lets not forget to thank the Idiot Sarah.
     
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    Exactly. No amount of evidence will matter. As ex-Bush official after ex-Bush official writes tell all books of the sheer incompetence, lies, deceit, cronyism, etc the administration is guilty of they still don't care. As the country flies over the cliff 22% still approve. What a waste. The Founding Fathers must be turning over many times and crying in their graves.




    :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: 'Simply ... economic recession' ? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

    Nothing to do with the entire foundation of capitalism becoming unhinged thanks to the 30 year assault on government regulation and oversight? Nothing to do with trillions of dollars blown in Iraq and bailing out laissez faire capitalism on steroids? Nothing to do with 401k's worth half what they were last year. Nothing at all. Righto.
     
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    There are some very conservative parts of California, but like most western states, they tend to be the fiscal conservative/libertarian type instead of bible thumpers. They tend to be willing to vote for Democrats who don't act like they'll tax and spend. However, California Republicans DO tend to be of the "tax cuts will solve all our problems" variety. Other thoughts:

    Here's a simple calculation you can make. If the CA GOP nominates a pro-choice candidate, then they have a chance of getting the governor's office. If they choose an anti-abortion nut, they're doomed. Every Republican governor since Roe vs. Wade has been pro-choice. It's a pro-choice state. The state first legalized abortion before Roe under a law signed by that GOP hero, Governor Ronald Reagan.

    All this talk of the GOP becoming irrelevant is premature for several reasons. First, under a two-party system, the losing party tends to move to the middle and co-opt some of the ruling party's ideas until they gain a majority. Second, the ruling party will eventually overreach in some way and become unpopular. Third, there hasn't been a new major party in more than 150 years, so it's unlikely that one of them will disappear. And fourth, never underestimate the Democrats' capacity for blowing it.

    On the other hand, the people in the article claiming that the GOP held its own in California in the 2008 election are being disingenuous. The truth is that the two parties have conspired to gerrymander the state's legislative and congressional districts to protect their own seats. Almost every seat is a safe seat because they've chosen voters who will vote for the incumbent's party. Only a handful of seats have changed sides in the entire state since 2000. A recent ballot initiative may help reduce this corruption, but I'll believe it when I see it.
     
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    How can they possibly move to the middle without losing their 'base'. Their 'base' has not intention to move to the middle. Just look at the Republican candidates out there now that think they have a chance. Zero could be called moderate in any way. Sarah Palin? Mitt Romney? Mike Huckabee?
     
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    I was born and raised in Cali. It WAS a great state but now its a joke and its a blueprint for fiscal irresponsibilty.

    It is $40 billion in debt, it has the lowest bond rating of any state, and there is talk of raising the sales tax to 9.5 or even 10%.

    The state has more government consumers i.e. welfare deadbeats and those looking for a handout than producers i.e. tax payers. The legislature there refuses to even consider cutting spending and since they can't print money like the Feds, they are headed for hell in a handcart. They have a ridiculous amendment system that allows dumb things like Prop 8 to consume voters while the state just flounders with lack of leadership.

    By leaving that once great state, I am now rich. Filthy. I live in a state with a low cost of living, low state income tax, and drivable freeways. I have so much more disposable income, its like I have found money every day. I have dear friends in Cali that can't afford to do half the stuff I do and they work like dogs.

    Nice surf tho and great weather.
     
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    All I hear are a bunch of leftist morons talking about the way to win elections is to move to the middle. Why do we need a Democrat Lite party? A party that spends money on a similar scale to the Democrat party? please. That is the way to keep losing elections.

    And in regards to what sargon20 said, the Republicans are not anti-gay, they are anti-panderingtominorities. They don't try to buy votes by pandering the specific voting blocks and demographics like Democrats do. There were votes across the US against gay marriage and virtually every state including almost every state that went to Obama voted against it. Voted it DOWN. 70% of the black population voted against it. The fact is that gays already have ALL of the rights that a married couple have as defined by the government, even a few more. People are just in favor of not calling it "gay marriage" and changing the definition of marriage for the last thousand or more years... which is a union between man and woman under god. What's next, some dude and two girls being able to get married too? I am not religious, but I respect other people's beliefs.

    So no, they aren't anti-gay, they are Pro-giving the voters what they want. Suck it up and stop crying about it, that's why it didn't even pass in California... arguably the loopiest, leftist state in the union.

    Republicans are also NOT anti-immigration, they are anti-ILLEGAL immigration, moron. They believe, like most Americans, that if good people are waiting in line to become citizens of this country, people oughta not be cutting in line to get in and breaking the laws. If they are willing to break the laws, again, chances are they will break laws when they get into this country. Border reform is obviously necessary when you look at the high, high rate of crime and murder involving human trafficking and drugs smuggling at the border states. There are too many decapitations in Texas to ignore that.

    So, not anti-gay, not anti-immigration. OK, and yes, they are against killing babies. I mean, wouldn't anyone else call over 40 million aborted babies that WOULD have been alive without modern-day intervention a holocaust... or a scourge on our society? A woman has a right to do with her body whatever she wants, but not at the expense of another life that is dependent on hers and ignoring that is ignoring the truth.


    So, moving on, the Republicans TRIED running a moderate loser, that was John McLame, and he lost lost lost. The way Republicans are going to win is by representing fiscal conservatives and libertarians, something they have not been doing for the last 8 years. That's the only reason I don't call myself a Republican. But believe me, they are going to counteract the reckless spending, bailouts, and nationalization bullshit of the Democrat party in power right now SO FAST, it'll make your head spin, and soon enough, they'll be gaining seats again.
     
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    This absolutely highlights the reason why fiscal conservatives always win in landslides following periods of Democrat party rule and fiscal irresponsibility. Let's not spend this country into oblivion and tax all of the prosperity out of it, please? I would hate the US to be run in the next 4 years the way Chicago and California are being run... oh wait, of course it will be run that way. Oh well...
     
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    Two days ago, you were an independent.

    Today, you're just one reason away from being a Republican.

    That's quite a shift in just 48 hours. Was that a massive flip-flop, or massive spin?
     
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    One can be independent and a fiscal conservative. Independent only means that I am currently not being represented by a political party, and sorry to say, the Republicans currently don't represent true fiscal conservatism.

    When they begin to represent conservatives again, which should be soon considering this website is really picking up steam: www.rebuildtheparty.com, then I can call myself a Republican. Until then, I am an independent.
     
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