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GOP dirty tricks in the swing states
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- b.c.,
It's always good to see when a person's true colors come leaking out.
"As it gets closer to "crunch" time, expect the racists (on both sides of the line) to "come out". The ones who know they are, the closet racists, and the "I'm not a racist but" crowd."
- Qua,
Implying me? Good luck rectifying your views of race relations and objectivity if what I said constitutes racism.
Kwame Kilpatrick was an outwardly corrupt mayor. His race plays no part in my view of him. His diversionary race baiting, however, does. I initially brought this up because there are indeed many people in the suburbs and the city who will be voting for or against Obama primarily ased on his race, and this recent Kwame fiasco has further polarized the Metro Detroit area.
Kwame Kilpatrick was an outwardly corrupt mayor. His race plays no part in my view of him. His diversionary race baiting, however, does. I initially brought this up because there are indeed many people in the suburbs and the city who will be voting for or against Obama primarily ased on his race, and this recent Kwame fiasco has further polarized the Metro Detroit area.
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New Mexico is a swing state.
I have never in my life been so absolutely disgusted with the tactis used here to try and grab votes. It does not stop at the Presidential race but extends even to local school board races and the like.
We have some GOP locals that are slinging mud at an even more repulsive rate than the GOP campaign at the Presidental level.
What I see is that there are a number of really scared people thinking that the gravy train for the idle rich may be coming to an end. The tactics constantly stress the word "liberal" using it in a negative connotation and they in addition continuously throw out "tax and spend" as if anyone who ever became a member of the Democratic Party was determined to raise taxes then find a way to spend the money.
New Mexico has been hit hard in some ways by the economy and it was not a rich state to begin with. There are the old hard liners, but, if my little agricultural community means anything the State will be very likely to swing to the Dems rather than the GOP. This is also a heavily military State with numerous military bases. In my community there are (5) men that I know personally who have been "invited" to Iraq miltiple times as part of the Guard.
All of these men were promised a single tour.
When ballots are cast, it is going to prove interesting.
Those of us who are in swing states deserve great sympathy. We cannot turn on a radio or television without being hammered by one side or the other. You can't escape it. Sentiment is beginning to turn against the mud slinging GOP even by the conservatives. The recent down turn in the economy is also rattling more cage doors too.
I have never in my life been so absolutely disgusted with the tactis used here to try and grab votes. It does not stop at the Presidential race but extends even to local school board races and the like.
We have some GOP locals that are slinging mud at an even more repulsive rate than the GOP campaign at the Presidental level.
What I see is that there are a number of really scared people thinking that the gravy train for the idle rich may be coming to an end. The tactics constantly stress the word "liberal" using it in a negative connotation and they in addition continuously throw out "tax and spend" as if anyone who ever became a member of the Democratic Party was determined to raise taxes then find a way to spend the money.
New Mexico has been hit hard in some ways by the economy and it was not a rich state to begin with. There are the old hard liners, but, if my little agricultural community means anything the State will be very likely to swing to the Dems rather than the GOP. This is also a heavily military State with numerous military bases. In my community there are (5) men that I know personally who have been "invited" to Iraq miltiple times as part of the Guard.
All of these men were promised a single tour.
When ballots are cast, it is going to prove interesting.
Those of us who are in swing states deserve great sympathy. We cannot turn on a radio or television without being hammered by one side or the other. You can't escape it. Sentiment is beginning to turn against the mud slinging GOP even by the conservatives. The recent down turn in the economy is also rattling more cage doors too.
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in other words.. just as ludicrous to imply such a thing, is similar to what I was led to be called out on. such a petty resort.... what next, we go to the "moms" card?
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Nice try rewriting history.
Most of us old enough to remember -- or have worked in presidential campaigns at the time of -- the Carter administration know that all these points are absurd twists of what really occurred. [For the record, I was a tireless Ford/Dole campaigner].
But the one that should reveal the whole list as a fraud is the claim that President Carter somehow "gave" the nation 15% inflation. Carter served after 8 years of Republican presidents who ushered in an era of outrageous inflation and failed at stopping its rampant growth. Remember Nixon's drastic "wage and price controls" and Ford's relentless but feckless "WIN" -- Whip Inflation Now -- campaign? Carter instituted new policies that began to take effect during his term, though the real benefits were reaped by his successor, who then exploited Carter's fiscal restraint and led us into record deficits.
Under Carter, government spending started to come under control and personal savings reached an all-time high of 13%. Just as Bush 2 has done with the legacy of national thrift and financial prudence that Clinton left us with, Reagan blew through Carter's careful controls and sent the US on a reckless binge that threw us into a recession in Bush 1's term. And it's happening again on an epic scale.
A racist insisting that they're not. Typical deflection tactic. Don't you wish that worked in court?
Prosecutor: We have you on tape killing Mrs. Jones.
Defendent: No I didn't!
Oh, I LOVE hearing that one, "It's cuz I'mt not voting for Obama, isn't it?"
No, it's cuz you have nothing but nasty things to say about anything associated with the black community.
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That bizarre work of fiction posted by 11INCHCOK is a prime example of the GOP dirty tricks.
- b.c.,
Yep...I call em as I see 'em. I've got his "number" and at this point this guy ain't even worthy of a response from me.
Besides his penchant for nasty remarks re. the black community (he seems to know a hell of a lot about black mayors - but not too much about white ones. Guess they're all on the up and up), he characterizes a report about GOP efforts to make voters ineligible by searching foreclosures, a report which ALSO mentions the connection between a Macomb county McCAin campain headquarters and a local foreclosure specialist who, incidentally, raised upwards of a quarter mil for the McCain campaign, by suggesting that it was from a biased "news source." (That damned liberal media at it again.) This he follows with a complaint about "inner city buses" (his exact words) that assist voters in getting to the polls, suggesting that the providers will tell them who to vote for.
Nahhhh...he's not a racist.
- b.c.,
No, not you, necessarily. A corrupt mayor is a corrupt mayor - no matter what his color. However I DO tend to cast a suspicious eye on those who seem quick to single out guys like Kilpatrick while seemingly oblivious to other comparables. I would suggest there are "buffoons" aplenty.
As to whether Detroit is a "shit city", I cannot say. I wouldn't characterize my city as such. What I can say is that I've read various characterizations and generalizations by the more narrow-minded among us that I would think offensive to a great many people.
Offensive to people of Detroit, D.C., offensive to gays, offensive to homeowners facing foreclosures (called liberal bums and losers here by another)... offensive to various other people, whom our more narrow minded posters here are quick to condemn.
Hint: You AREN'T exactly endearing people to your point of view.
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- Qua,
Sigh...I can't use my dazzlingly charming good looks to get away with being an arrogant ass online.
I completely agree that there are plenty of other corrupt buffoons, black and white. Kwame is really the only one close enough for me to follow enough to comment, and sadly enough his race in combination with is going to have a marked effect on the outcome of this election in Michigan. I have no agenda when it comes to black mayors. Just Kwame.
Racial polarization (on many axes) in the Detroit area is quite sad and very real. And rife for exploitation by "dirty tricks," whether by the GOP or the Dems. Which is really why it's the shell of a city it is. A consistent air of enmity between city and suburbs (which Kilpatrick fostered like none since Coleman Young) has left it almost abandoned in spirit.
Civil?
I completely agree that there are plenty of other corrupt buffoons, black and white. Kwame is really the only one close enough for me to follow enough to comment, and sadly enough his race in combination with is going to have a marked effect on the outcome of this election in Michigan. I have no agenda when it comes to black mayors. Just Kwame.
Racial polarization (on many axes) in the Detroit area is quite sad and very real. And rife for exploitation by "dirty tricks," whether by the GOP or the Dems. Which is really why it's the shell of a city it is. A consistent air of enmity between city and suburbs (which Kilpatrick fostered like none since Coleman Young) has left it almost abandoned in spirit.
Civil?
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- b.c.,
Well that alone is telling enough - not about you, but about the voters in that district, that actions of one corrupt black politician would influence the voter's perceptions of Obama.
Black people have been voting for white politicians most of our lives regardless of how much a scoundrel his white predecessor was.
I never once went to the polls saying "that last white guy was a real bastard so I'm not going to vote for another (white guy)." lol
Though I'm certain some here will doubt it, my vote has ALWAYS been for the best candidate. And the best candidate for this presidential election is Obama.
Seriously folks, when one looks at it with an unbiased eye, McCain shouldn't even be CLOSE.
The fact that it is should be FUCKIN embarrassment to us ALL.
Damned skippy.
Black people have been voting for white politicians most of our lives regardless of how much a scoundrel his white predecessor was.
I never once went to the polls saying "that last white guy was a real bastard so I'm not going to vote for another (white guy)." lol
Though I'm certain some here will doubt it, my vote has ALWAYS been for the best candidate. And the best candidate for this presidential election is Obama.
Seriously folks, when one looks at it with an unbiased eye, McCain shouldn't even be CLOSE.
The fact that it is should be FUCKIN embarrassment to us ALL.
Damned skippy.
- Qua,
There's also the similarity in background. Obama is a career politician hailing from a notorious hotbed of corrupt municipal and state level Democrats. Kwame is analogous (except actually corrupt). He held himself with an unbelieveable amount of arrogance during his final months in office. Obama strikes a dischord with those who hate arrongant "elitists." The two are terribly different, but enough similaritiess exist for the stench the Kilpatrick fiasco has left in the area to bring the area's innate racial tension to bear on a candidate with minimal similarities.
I wouldn't have agreed with you overall about 3 months ago. But McCain's campaign since has been misstep after revealing misstep. Including one massive trip up named Sarah Palin. It's very frustrating when you feel a vote for either candidate abandons a majority of your principles. Thus it comes down to the lesser of two evils scenario. Which is a disappointing resort. I guess I'm the definition of a swing voter. I think I've swung back, forth, and back again in the past year and a half. I'll be watching out for dirty GOP tricks on election day. And perhaps looking for a free busride to the polls.
I wouldn't have agreed with you overall about 3 months ago. But McCain's campaign since has been misstep after revealing misstep. Including one massive trip up named Sarah Palin. It's very frustrating when you feel a vote for either candidate abandons a majority of your principles. Thus it comes down to the lesser of two evils scenario. Which is a disappointing resort. I guess I'm the definition of a swing voter. I think I've swung back, forth, and back again in the past year and a half. I'll be watching out for dirty GOP tricks on election day. And perhaps looking for a free busride to the polls.
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Qua, just want to acknowledge that your posts are objective and without bias. I read them all. Just because I don't respond doesn't mean they are without merit. I appreciate your contributions.
