GOP Political Conundrum #1 - Abortion

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  1. B_VinylBoy

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    With the apparent nomination of several "tea party" candidates to run for the Senate this November, a number of popular political issues that have not been focused on as much as the Economy, Health Care, and whether or not a President should know how to read :)rolleyes:) could be brought to light. Enter the Abortion debate. As it now stands, the GOP has 5 candidates runing in November that have extreme anti-abortion stances which include Christine O'Donnell, Rand Paul, Sharron Angle and Ken Buck. These people are so against abortion that they are on record saying that they won't even approve of one in cases of incest and rape.

    This poses some very interesting issues.
    First off, most prominent conservative pro-lifers do say no to abortion but do approve of it in extreme cases such as incest and rape. Secondly, the GOP has elected more women than Democrats over the last year to run for office. That combined with a major rally behind recent nominee O'Donnell within the last 48 hours (which also includes a complete rescinding of hateful comments from Karl Rowe after she won the nomination), sends a message that they're using O'Donnell to get more women voters in the same way they tried to use Palin two years ago. Thirdly, from Bush/Cheney in 2004 to McCain/Palin in 2008, the GOP actually lost 5% of their female voter base even with a woman on the ticket. With an emerging, underlaying message that pushes for governmental restrictions to women's reproductive rights, how does the GOP balance out the various signals in order to maintain such a conflicting message that would win votes? Also, is this a campaign issue that some Democrats should bring to the table?
     
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    Per your observations 1-3,

    First, given that when Nov is all said and done, we'll likely have a Senate with several fewer democrats, a few more republicans, and a president that is still committed wholly to abortion. If you're worried about republicans attempting to play "take-away" with abortion access, I'd look to the states (and laws that might be passed there that get automatically challenged) versus the federal level. After all, several governorships are predicted to flip to the R column and state legislatures could as well (or solidify already existing R majorities).

    Second, that observation seems more like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" way to look at it. Republicans have been criticized in the past because of an apparent gender-gap in their party. If they take that to heart and actively work to reduce it through candidate recruitment, then they're what...?pandering?

    French voters don't enjoy the near-constant drumbeat about abortion that we do over here, but the Sarkozy-Royal face-off in 2007 showed that a female candidate for president, who directly appealed to women to vote for her and even made platform proposals targeted right at women, was rejected by women 52-48. If all other factors are mostly equal, you still have to bring issues to the table that resonate...besides talking about your gender.

    Third, yes, Palin was on the ticket in 08. But there were a few oustide factors going on that even having a harem on the ticket with McCain might not have fixed, such as the stock- and credit-market meltdowns that were occuring at the same time & the sheer democratic wave of the moment. As Walter Mondale & Geraldine Ferraro learned on their way to losing 49 states in 1984, breaking new ground by putting a woman on the ticket isn't enough if, to start with, people don't judge the top of the ticket to be worth voting for.
     
  3. D_Evita_Zane

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    Did you watch Maddow last night too?
     
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    Just wait until the American people actually vote these Teabaggers into office....let them see what they'd actually try to do once elected. I bet that the American people give a collective "Holy shit" come 2012. Thanks Democrats for squandering your 4 years in the majority- not to mention the two years you had unified government.
     
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    No, I was at Busch Stadium watching the Cardinals finally win a game for a change.

    What I posted is just what I think. Don't tell me Rachel and I are channeling the same muse :bigeyes:
     
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    I listened to I think Bryan Fisher, American Family, and a teabagging Woman the other night. The woman said that they should stay out of social issues and Bryan was saying that the teabaggers were doomed if they did not embrace all the hateful bullshit they could stir up. There is serious doubt that legal abortion is going away because nobody want to return to the back alley abortions of the 1960's and early 1970's.
     
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    According to Christine ODonnell, jerking off is the same as adultery. She is against jerking. She must be one pent up bitch.
     
  8. B_VinylBoy

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    Ayup. One of the only journalists worth watching at night actually. :wink:
     
  9. JTalbain

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    I keep saying that the Tea Party is going to be responsible for handing the Democrats many elections they would not have won otherwise. Whenever a third party introduces themselves into an election, they split the voter base of whichever party they are more closely aligned with. It happened with Eugene Debs, it happened with Ross Perot, and it will happen again with the Tea Party.
     
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    Just as the Republicans are Unfit To Govern, so too are many voters unfit to vote. They simply have no clue. All they know about an issue is the 2 minute spot CNN or FauxNews gives them on deeply complex issues that don't lend themselves to one or two sentence solutions..
     
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    Bingo.

    While they sound good in theory, the concepts of birthright citizenship and universal suffrage are inherently flawed ideals that are ultimately unworkable in practice...as we're finding out.
     
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    Let's just hope that, whatever they do, the Republicans crash and burn in November.
     
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    How are they splitting the vote?

    The examples you give were 3 way races. The Tea Party is not a third party. Their candidates are running as Republicans.

    The only exception so far is Alaska where the ousted Republican is running as a write-in.
     
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