Gop sen. tom cotton comes out as "ex-gay

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I am a straight male who's favorite relative was my late gay music professor uncle. He and his lesbian wife (my aunt) were my education into alternative lifestyles so I've never understood the animosity or the urgent need for some gays to re-educate themselves to the straight life. They lived for decades in happy, but contrived matrimony for the sake of their careers.

Nevertheless there must be many-many politicians in similar turmoil. I would love to be a fly on the bedroom wall of some Florida notables like Charlie Crist or the current governor, he of the bulging eyeballs and bald bobbing head, Rick Scott. Scott has that public persona which can be mistaken for a priestly, serene powered by God look with that angelic smile he presents during all his interviews. :)
 

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I am a straight male who's favorite relative was my late gay music professor uncle. He and his lesbian wife (my aunt) were my education into alternative lifestyles so I've never understood the animosity or the urgent need for some gays to re-educate themselves to the straight life.
You sincerely don't know the reason why some gays feel the need to becoome straight or you're saying that to express how horrible you feel such situation is?
 
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Self-acceptance is the hardest thing to achieve in life.

Every respected medical and mental health association in America condemns conversion therapy. This includes The American Psychological Association, The American Academy of Pediatrics, The American Psychiatric Association, and the American Medical Association.

The World Psychiatric Association, an organization of national psychiatric societies consisting of 138 member societies across 118 different countries, released a position statement denouncing any attempts to turn LGBT people heterosexual. They report that,

“There is no sound scientific evidence that innate sexual orientation can be changed. Furthermore, so-called treatments of homosexuality can create a setting in which prejudice and discrimination flourish, and they can be potentially harmful,”

**Perhaps what needs to be recognized here is that there is every reason to believe that an individual’s innate sexual orientation does not need to be changed. Rather it should be enhanced through affirmation and understanding. For some this new understanding might appear as a change in sexual interest, for others it might be reflected in just the acceptance of who we are.
 

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Probably going out on a limb here, but why is this even newsworthy? Who cares? If he wants to marry and have a family, so be it. If he went through some therapy, isn't that his matter? Is the obsession here that he isn't conforming to the expectations of others here because they believe he should follow a certain lifestyle? I will say I'm not aware of him, and not aware of any statements he has made against the gay community, so aside from confirming that he has, I could care less about any of this. But I see this attack, or outing, to be disingenuous.
 

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Probably going out on a limb here, but why is this even newsworthy? Who cares? If he wants to marry and have a family, so be it. If he went through some therapy, isn't that his matter? Is the obsession here that he isn't conforming to the expectations of others here because they believe he should follow a certain lifestyle? I will say I'm not aware of him, and not aware of any statements he has made against the gay community, so aside from confirming that he has, I could care less about any of this. But I see this attack, or outing, to be disingenuous.
Once again you choose to miss the point. Whatever a person chooses to do in his or her own life is their own business but when that person works to deny those freedoms to others it is no longer private. If a politician chooses to remain in the closet and live a lie so be it but when he gets behind anti gay legislation that's going too far.
 
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You sincerely don't know the reason why some gays feel the need to becoome straight or you're saying that to express how horrible you feel such situation is?



Obviously there is social pressure for gays to create the illusion they are straight. My gay uncle went through life as a married man with my aunt (who was a lesbian) for the sake of his career as a musician with the Cleveland orchestra and later as a professor. I made a somewhat wistful and melancholy observation, now that my uncle has passed away, about how some gays feel the need to change or cover-up how biology has wired them at birth.

We are all born with a basic sexual drive, either heterosexual or homosexual. Let it be.
 

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Probably going out on a limb here, but why is this even newsworthy? Who cares? If he wants to marry and have a family, so be it. If he went through some therapy, isn't that his matter? Is the obsession here that he isn't conforming to the expectations of others here because they believe he should follow a certain lifestyle? I will say I'm not aware of him, and not aware of any statements he has made against the gay community, so aside from confirming that he has, I could care less about any of this. But I see this attack, or outing, to be disingenuous.

1. 'why is this even newsworthy?' Because Cotton is a public figure and a controversial character.

2. 'Who cares?' Obviously, you do, or you would not have posted.

3. 'If he went through some therapy, isn't that his matter?'
A. It's not certain that he did. But here's a quote of his:
“I’m living proof that if you dedicate yourself to these programs, you too can be successful in ridding yourself of this horrible affliction,” Cotton told the American Family Association over the weekend.
B. It's not a private matter if he makes public statements about conversion therapy.

4. 'Obsession'? Aren't you branding interest as obsession? And why are you doing that?

5, 'a certain lifestyle'? Being gay is 'a certain lifestyle'? Is heterosexuality 'a certain lifestyle'?

6. 'I will say I'm not aware of him.' Then why post with an opinion?

7. 'I could care less about any of this'. Again, then why post an opinion about it, unless you do care, and if I can see it, so do others here. I think you're posturing when you say you don't care.

8. 'this attack, or outing'. I agree that outing someone has been used as an attempt to disparage, but 'attack'?

9. 'But I see this attack, or outing, to be disingenuous'. Well, again, if you don't care, don't post.

When hypocrites are exposed, those who share their ideologies rush to their defense. That's what you've done in a very weak way.
I personally know of many gay public figures who are on record as anti-gay. I'm disgusted by their hypocrisy, but I don't out people. I just walk away.

Being closeted or undergoing 'conversion' therapy is proof positive that many gay people feel like they must conform to a still highly-prejudiced general attitude against gay people. That, personally, causes me great sadness.

You're the one who is disingenuous.
 

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Obviously there is social pressure for gays to create the illusion they are straight. My gay uncle went through life as a married man with my aunt (who was a lesbian) for the sake of his career as a musician with the Cleveland orchestra and later as a professor. I made a somewhat wistful and melancholy observation, now that my uncle has passed away, about how some gays feel the need to change or cover-up how biology has wired them at birth.

We are all born with a basic sexual drive, either heterosexual or homosexual. Let it be.

That is true, but...

not all gay men are the same - far from it We like to lump all people with a certain label into the same category as it's in our DNA, I suppose. But there are men who are truly bisexual, just as there are men who undergo sexual orientation metamorphosis - all of this happening naturally, unmotivated by a deep-seeded desire to be normally heterosexual.

Are all heterosexual men the same in their sexuality? I think not.

There are also gay men who watch lesbian porn, even if it's not common.

We as a society have this most false of an idea of what a gay man is: he's feminine in demeanor and is very repulsed by female genitalia.

Do we have these same conversations about lesbians?
 
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The important thing to remember, though, is that gay conversion therapy can work. Sen. Cotton is living proof that there's hope.


Seriously? There is a VERY HIGH incidence of it causing suicide (and other bad outcomes) among questioning adolescents. No one should be subjected to it unless they choose it personally as an adult.
 
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The important thing to remember, though, is that gay conversion therapy can work. Sen. Cotton is living proof that there's hope.

Conversion therapy does not work. There is no conversion, there is only behavioral modification after 'treatment', if the patient chooses to have only interpersonal heterosexual sex or to refrain from homosexual sex after CT.

CT does not, for example, change measured pupillary or other somatic responses that indicate sexual interest when sexual stimuli are presented in a controlled setting. In other words, nothing gets 'converted'.

Senator Cotton's claims are anecdotal and have no clinical or scientific validity.

You would be better served to believe in and be hopeful about the phlogiston theory of combustion than to think that CT works and offers hope to anyone other than yourself.
 

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Conversion therapy does not work. There is no conversion, there is only behavioral modification after 'treatment', if the patient chooses to have only interpersonal heterosexual sex or to refrain from homosexual sex after CT.

CT does not, for example, change measured pupillary or other somatic responses that indicate sexual interest when sexual stimuli are presented in a controlled setting. In other words, nothing gets 'converted'.

Se

Yeah - then there's that.
 

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Seriously? There is a VERY HIGH incidence of it causing suicide (and other bad outcomes) among questioning adolescents. No one should be subjected to it unless they choose it personally as an adult.

Yeah....um.......didja read the article? It's a fake story. Sen Cotton can't be proof that it works because he never underwent gay conversion therapy. Savvy?
 

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“I am now the man I always knew I could be, fully dedicated to God, my wife, and the good people of Arkansas, without all the urges to have sex with hot guys 24 hours a day.”
Thing is, i don't go around talking about hot women. I never think of women in that way at all. Doesnt seem the cure worked.
 
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Yeah....um.......didja read the article? It's a fake story. Sen Cotton can't be proof that it works because he never underwent gay conversion therapy. Savvy?

Well, you got fooled about Cotton like the rest of us by the parody --here's your post #33:

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If he's pushing gay conversion therapy, then I can't agree with him. Again, I need to read more about him.

The psycho Republicans like this sort of story as it helps to bolster their support.
The important thing to remember, though, is that gay conversion therapy can work. Sen. Cotton is living proof that there's hope.

Well, twoton, regardless of the spoof, you still think that 'gay conversion therapy can work. Senator Cotton is living proof that there's hope.' Question: hope for what? What were you hoping when you wrote this? I would like to think, that as a 99% straight man, you're not just another homophobe thinking that gay people should or can somehow quit being gay--or that they should want to.

Would you please clarify?
 

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The important thing to remember, though, is that gay conversion therapy can work. Sen. Cotton is living proof that there's hope.

Well, twoton, regardless of the spoof, you still think that 'gay conversion therapy can work. Senator Cotton is living proof that there's hope.' Question: hope for what? What were you hoping when you wrote this? I would like to think, that as a 99% straight man, you're not just another homophobe thinking that gay people should or can somehow quit being gay--or that they should want to.

Would you please clarify?

Oy vey. I give up. I read the story. I knew it was a hoax. I used that line "Sen. Cotton is living proof" as a joke to piggy back on the satire.

But hey--if people want to try gay conversion therapy, I say let 'em. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but there's a sucker born every minute. Just look at P.T. Barnum, the GOP's nominee.
 

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Oy vey. I give up. I read the story. I knew it was a hoax. I used that line "Sen. Cotton is living proof" as a joke to piggy back on the satire.

But hey--if people want to try gay conversion therapy, I say let 'em. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but there's a sucker born every minute. Just look at P.T. Barnum, the GOP's nominee.

I guess I could say the same thing about sub-Saharan female genital mutilation --but I won't and wouldn't. I've seen the damage and pain of others from conversion therapy, and obviously you haven't, so you can afford to be cavalier, I guess...