Gop stripping funds from planned parenthood.

[phonehome]

It is my understanding from what P/P has said for years now is that that is ALREADY the case that they do not have any facilities that offers abortions and "everything else" "all under one roof" and that to further combat the "money is fungible" argument that anyone who works at a P/P facility that performs abortions does not also work at the one that does everything else.

I have over the years heard in the media any number of P/P officials say these things or some version of them.

Now either I heard them wrong or they are not telling the truth as far as that goes.

Either way having 2 separate companies as different and Coke and Pepsi ends this "debate" once and for all.

 

[Industrialsize]

It is my understanding from what P/P has said for years now is that that is ALREADY the case that they do not have any facilities that offers abortions and "everything else" "all under one roof" and that to further combat the "money is fungible" argument that anyone who works at a P/P facility that performs abortions does not also work at the one that does everything else.

I have over the years heard in the media any number of P/P officials say these things or some version of them.

Now either I heard them wrong or they are not telling the truth as far as that goes.

Either way having 2 separate companies as different and Coke and Pepsi ends this "debate" once and for all.

You are wrong. Everything is under one roof.
for example:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/h...02215/greater-boston-health-center-3293-90610

 

[phonehome]

Well then it is MUCH harder to argue against the "money is fungible" argument.

If they once and for all want to end the argument there is a way.

Or the right can keep having this "talking point' for the next god knows how many years.

 

[Wave85]

Maybe they should keep doing everything they are doing and just change their name... it would be harder to defund them if they were called the Great American Health System or the System to Empower Women Against Sharia Law...

 

[phonehome]

No the "bone of contention" has always been that they do abortions and despite the "Hyde amendment" still being the "law of the land" and very clear on the subject and because it is one enity the agrument for at least 20 years is the "money is fungible" one.

They could end that argument and should have 20 years ago or keep having it and to some degree loosing that argument.

Coke and Pepsi, FEDEX and UPS, money is "fungible" with Coke, it's various brands and with FEDEX and it's variuos branches Ground etc but NOT between the 2 of them.

 

[swingfun]

They're a sad lot. But it's not surprising. There will be consequences - but then it will be too late.

Sad day for women -- and everyone, really!

I try to not think about the helplessness that looms over me and my fellow like-minded Americans. We can only hope for impeachment and a total undoing of this utter disgrace of an administration. They're rotten to the core.

We will take it back, and we will have the last laugh.

Aint happening...

 

[phonehome]

The only reason that he will not get impeached is that he will say fuck it and quit before Paul Ryan or who ever the Speaker of the House gets around to doing it.

The only reason/s Paul Ryan and all the other R's in the house that never wanted Trump to begin are waiting is that they think or at least thought they can get him to sign all that stuff he has been dreaming about for years and years and they want enough of Trumps term to have passed so that Mike Pence can complete it and NOT have it count as his first term.

I would have to check the 25th amendment but I think it must be less than 2 years to not count, so 9 years 364 days is as much as any one president can get.

 

[BetterFuture]

I've never understood who anyone could be anti-abortion AND anti-birth control. The single best way to reduce the number of abortions is to make birth control available for free to everyone who wants it. Planned Parenthood provides many birth control options and examinations and treatment to many women for gynecological health. Treating things early is cheaper. There's way too much focus on the abortion part of what they do.

 

[malakos]

I've never understood who anyone could be anti-abortion AND anti-birth control. The single best way to reduce the number of abortions is to make birth control available for free to everyone who wants it.

You don't understand? Perhaps you are overthinking it; it's not complicated. For those who are opposed to both, they reject both on ethical grounds. Birth control is regarded as unacceptable because reproduction is viewed as an unalienable purpose of sex. To use artificial contraception is seen as spurning our nature and the purposes and designs of sex, and using it for more selfish purposes. Regarding the pragmatic angle with relation to abortion, "preventing" abortions is not an overriding goal. The purpose of the anti-abortion position is more so to assert that abortions are morally unacceptable and should not be participated in, regardless of circumstances. But generally these folk are not "the means justify the ends" types. By that I'm meaning one cannot combat one unethical thing by making use of another unethical thing. Since they have their reasons for regarding even contraception as unethical, it makes perfect sense to me that they wouldn't accept using it to prevent another unethical thing (abortion).

 

[Scarletbegonia]

Ugh.... not that the boob crusher is a great experience to begin with, but mammogram at a butcher sounds like something out of a horror movie

Worse: breast cancer treatment.

 

[TexanStar]

And the attacks on family planning continue: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...an_who_thinks_birth_control_doesn_t_work.html

Is it 2019 yet?

 

[Scarletbegonia]

You don't understand? Perhaps you are overthinking it; it's not complicated. For those who are opposed to both, they reject both on ethical grounds. Birth control is regarded as unacceptable because reproduction is viewed as an unalienable purpose of sex. To use artificial contraception is seen as spurning our nature and the purposes and designs of sex, and using it for more selfish purposes. Regarding the pragmatic angle with relation to abortion, "preventing" abortions is not an overriding goal. The purpose of the anti-abortion position is more so to assert that abortions are morally unacceptable and should not be participated in, regardless of circumstances. But generally these folk are not "the means justify the ends" types. By that I'm meaning one cannot combat one unethical thing by making use of another unethical thing. Since they have their reasons for regarding even contraception as unethical, it makes perfect sense to me that they wouldn't accept using it to prevent another unethical thing (abortion).

So, anti choice, anti contraception people need the government to stop them from doing what they say they don't want to do?

 

[malakos]

So, anti choice, anti contraception people need the government to stop them from doing what they say they don't want to do?

No, generally people who are opposed to birth control on a political level (beyond just ethical opposition) are people who, at least to some extent, believe one of the fundamental functions of society is to provide moral order.

 

[MickeyLee]

Kansas Pro-Choice folk continue to defend the one remaining clinic that provides abortion.
one women's health clinic for an entire state
it feels like the dark side is winning
rights and funding are being slashed unchecked

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

If it were a men's clinic that provided viagra they would probably allocate extra funding.

 

[MickeyLee]

if it were a dick-pill issue that shit would be delivered to men's homes on a weekly basis with no charge
like, if men got periods, jobs would provide paid leave and tampons would be all of nothing to buy

 

[MickeyLee]

Rape and Domestic Violence could be a pre-existing condition

the bill is off to the Senate now
yep, evil and wicked are running the show
the complete lack of empathy is horrifying

 

[622675]

I am 100% in favor of using any humane means possible to prevent pregnancy. But latest statistic is that one child is aborted in the US ever 97 seconds.

If that is not a moral or ethical issue no such thing exist. Why not just start killing anyone that offends or may be “too much trouble” to deal with.

 

[TexanStar]

I am 100% in favor of using any humane means possible to prevent pregnancy.

Trump's pick for the US birth control program is opposed to birth control.

So I trust you oppose his decision on that (which is what I bumped this thread to relay)?

 

[firsttimecaller]

latest statistic is that one child is aborted in the US ever 97 seconds.

If that is not a moral or ethical issue no such thing exist.

It's only a moral or ethical issue if you I think a fetus is a person.

Because that's an emotional belief as much as anything, no group of people are going to come to agreement 100% on the issue no matter what science says about where the "line" may or may not be drawn.

So, yeah...