Gordon Brown resigns as PM/Leader of the Labour Party

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    I dont know what happened, but Clegg seems to have decided he cannot work with Brown. Maybe he thinks hes too accident prone. Maybe he really doesnt like him.

    I have no idea whose going to replace him, but i think ken livingstone suggested a runoff of milliband v. milliband.

    If Brown had won then I imagine he would have carried on for a while, but some MPs have been trying to replace him for some time. This was just another example of labour shooting itself in the foot when people tried to attack him shortly before the election. Success would have kept him in office, but I guess he would have gone before the next election whatever happened. Having lost, it was just a question of convenient timing, and if he has become an issue in forming a coalition, then now suddenly became a good time to make it clear he was going. Otherwise he wouldnt have wanted to announce his resignation yet. We may have another election in a month and it would be pretty bad for labour to have to do it all again with a leader who has already announced he is going.
     
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    I would like to see David Miliband as leader of the Labour Party. I think he is likable, and quite charasmatic when i have heard him talk. There is that picture with the Banana, but i think with the birth of Show politics with the debates etc, i believe he is the best Labour have.
     
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    Yeah I think he's a better choice than Ed Balls, I've liked David Milliband for a long time.
     
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    Milliband (either one) will be a mistake. Labour needs the minorities to vote for them and this would be the fastest way to lose that vote.
     
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    Milliband(s), great another Internationalist Marxist, champagne socialist, whose mother also shares in an eternal triangle of pass the ownership of their properties - well it's true!

    I can't think of one Labour MP that I even like, though I was quite taken with now retired John Reid's comments this evening.

    It's like the politbureau. Where are the individuals - the visionaries?

    All we have is manufactured guff spun by their spinners.
     
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    What are you saying though? Why are the Millibands less likely to win the votes of "the minorities" as you put it? I mean are they any less likely to win votes among voters from minority groups for a particular reason?
     
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    GB is not given to working with anyone. You work for him.
     
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    So is it going to be Lib/Lab, or Lib/Con? Or a three way muddle?

    And can someone please explain to me a succinct summation of how first past the post came to pass?
     
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    Do you mean Great Britain or Gordon Brown Drifter? :tongue::wink:
     
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    I think it will be lib/lab or lib/con. I dont think they want to go for conservative minority and lib supporting case by case. I think if it is lib/lab they will not have formal agreement with the others whose support they need, but rely on them hating the conservatives.

    Clegg wants lib/con. His party naturally inclines more to labour and I think they believe it is doable. I think the conservatives think it is doable too, which is why they are now in a bit of a panic and trying to push clegg into a decision.

    Neither way is easy, because it relies on either the labour or conservative party holding together, and neither one is very good at it. The parliamentary numbers hold up either way. I think that athough the conservatives have more mps, they are also likely to have more rebels amongst them and probably have more fundamental disagreements over policy.

    First past the post is a natural way to vote. 100 years ago electoral reform consisted in having elections and having voters. So a 2 way competition was quite an innovation. It would be the squires son vs. the iron founder. Aristocracy v. businessman. It would be decided a lot on local issues, whether the squire would kick you out of your cottage if you vote the wrong way or whether the iron founder will employ you. weve moved on quite a bit. Shame they abolished mps appointed by the big universities, eh?

    Although I said FPP is natural, that doesnt mean it is the fairest once you start to get multi-way competitions and truly national competitions. Especially when the candidates are so alike.

    By the way, there are probably lab mps who think the best thing would be to sabotage any lib/con deal, force the cons into minority government and wait for them to fail. Might be very good for labour, but not so good for the country. Brown is on the wayout, but I dont believe he would have done that. Hes trying for lib/lab because he thinks it will be better for the country.
     
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    Same with any Party then isnt it?
     
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