Governor plans to completely eliminate welfare for families

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Funny how government assistance is "welfare" only when it applies to the poor. When big businesses, corporations, failing banks, ceo's, special interest groups, and debtor countries are on the take, it's never "welfare".


exactly BC. was thinking that very thing just now about all the bail outs and such. like was said many yrs, ROB the POOR to feed the RICH [ robin hood help change this thow god bless his soul] LOL. and it holds true more so today i think than it must have been back then. only difference now in stead of jail for not paying taxes, they give you an extension and charge you interest, so this leaves me to wonder. who is actually drawing the welfare in this case ? :wink:
 
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If you can't add a letter D to the end of the word 'And'..........
YOU just might be a red-neck.


oh I'm defiantly a red neck an proud to be one.:wink: by the way i went back an fixed all the d in the word and. lol let me know if thats better. AND i will look for your reply LOL. thanks.
 

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Nobody said it, but one of the segments most affected will be the one that deserves no help. I'm talking about California's massive illegal immigrant population. They contribute next to nothing and blow through hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars. When you add up the cost of free education, free health care, welfare, their burgeoning prison numbers, the average California taxpayer is carrying a heavy load.
 

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Nobody said it, but one of the segments most affected will be the one that deserves no help. I'm talking about California's massive illegal immigrant population. They contribute next to nothing and blow through hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars. When you add up the cost of free education, free health care, welfare, their burgeoning prison numbers, the average California taxpayer is carrying a heavy load.

EXACTLY this was what i was referring to in my post when someone else used the word turnip. and i used it also in my post. but good Ole Bbucko [god bless his marry tax free, ass kissing, immigrant loving soul] choose rather to find fault with my wording than see like me an others I'm sure maybe. feel about these things as well as other stuff related to the welfare problem facing everyone in some way. meaning here if your on it due to no fault of your own, and this passes you've got bigger problems coming.. and if your working your paying into this and god forbid you should ever need it. as their will be nothing to help out till you get another job an or help with medical expenses or what ever. welfare was designed to help a person out through no fault of his own until he could get better off. it wasn't created to make a living off it for the rest of your life at others expense. thats the problem with it to many dead beats. and I'm glad some of this was stopped under BILL CLINTON'S administration. now in my state you draw it for a max of 3 yrs. and you are sent to a school for a trade. after you complete the schooling and 3 yrs, are up your done no more money. get a job or starve, and its amazing how many people you see out doing something to get by. and actually working an wanting to work now then before. it has saves a lot in our state deficit. but we still have a ways to go but it is because of other things here now as well, not just warfare alone. but their are still those who finds a way to beat the system some how, as some neighbors around here are still drawing it an have lived here longer than 3 yrs. i know this how? their mail gets put in my box, and i have to return it all the time to the post office. also the one neighbor seems so disabled through out the month. but when its check day they are u before dawn an piratically running to the mail box every 15 min, or so looking for their check, they actually have a path beat across my yard cutting across to get to their mail box. my hubby told them once to get a job and they can get a check every Friday LOL. needless to say he spoke his mind to them that day about more than just this.
 
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BTW nobody gets rich off welfare. The image of the Mercedes driving welfare mom is pretty much a fiction.

There is an honest place for welfare but it needs to be carefully monitored. I do not know the rate of growth of welfare but it should never exceed a a point or 2 below inflation

I've seen Mercedes driving welfare mom with my own eyes. She's not in need though, just one of many taking advantage of the system because they can.
 

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SoCal, out of curiosity, how did you know? Do you know the woman? See her cash her check? Hear her talk about what she was getting from the government?

I genuinely do want to know, although I will admit to some skepticism. I hear a lot of this from people, about illegal immigrants or welfare recipients.

I do agree that a lot of people take advantage of the system, and I feel similarly to people that cheat on their taxes.

I've seen Mercedes driving welfare mom with my own eyes. She's not in need though, just one of many taking advantage of the system because they can.
 

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I'm [mildly] curious, exactly what sort of America (or by extrapolation, any civilised nation) would you think is ... right. How [and where] would you draw a line between personal and societal responsibilty. How do you feel those who [for no fault of their own] are dealt a losing hand should be helped to function effectively in a society [with no safety net].

how were they doing it before the failed idea of the Great Society?
how/why does it become a governmental issue? just because Karl Marx says it should be? because the British intellectual elite so admired the emergent Soviet Union (a failed idea) that they instituted their particular brand of socialist welfare?


Isn't a fair, honest and just society measured as much by how it exemplifies and leverages its strongest, as by how it defends and supports its weakest? I'm sure you'd probably say that's socialist, liberal sentimentalism ... but if that's the best argument you have and past evidence suggests it is ... well, it ain't much.

I would agree with the anthropologist, Marvin Harris, that ruling elites, to enjoy their positions, have to compel obeisance to the particular ideology they concoct to create and sustain their positions of privilege

that's why the American Revolution was so ground-breaking -- it made the people the sovereign -- which meant that everyone had to carry their weight, and citizenry had to be cultivated along those demands

within the terms of the fascism developing under Roosevelt, and since, the welfare programs in place are only Bismarckian (prime example, is Social Security -- age requirement for claiming benefits of sixty-five, when few ever attained that age), as Bertram Gross pointed out, to ensure no interference with the accumulation of power and wealth at the governmental and corporate top

I ask because all you [and your ilk] ever do is whine about the evil of 'socialist values', about how intrinsically un American they are, about how [Obama although it would be any president - you just need a figurehead for your hatred] is at once a closet 'Socialist (read Communist)' and a closet 'Fascist'.

You grumble about how the US is turning into Singapore and (this one I liked) about how the ACLU are 'Fascists'. That's before we get into the race thing you have going on ...

indeed -- the fascism we are seeing is developing within the terms of the Singaporean corporate State ... as in that polity, administrative and other positions are filled to ensure "equal representation" of the different ethnic categories that comprise that polity, again so as not to inflame, or cause discord, so that the elite can enjoy their privilege without dissent ... much like a corporation filling federally mandated quotas ... much like he made his Supreme Court Justice appointee selection?

Yet, I rarely (if ever) see you actually offer suggestions or posit solutions. To draw from your commentary, if socialised medicine is so bad,suggest an alternative - because what the US has now is broken, perhaps irreprably.

you might want to re-read my references to Jefferson and Emerson

That's entirely aside from it being what I (personally) consider morally dubious - IMO medicine shouldn't be an industry based around profiting from an individual's suffering.

However, if it worked I'd perhaps be a little more inclined to parse your bigoted, ill informed and repetitive nonsense about the flaws inherent in socialised systems - of which there are plenty, in search of cogent observations.

again, why is the solution governmental?

This is largely rhetorical, I believe I know why you don't - but I thought I'd ask the question anyway.





The 'quotes' are to indicate your constant misuse of the terms.

well, again, the record -- the Great Society, governmental aim was to get people out of poverty, so they could meet their potential, and become vibrant contributing members of society; the actual result? massive creation of an underclass, for whom welfare is a way of life ... public housing where women, unmarried can rear fatherless sons who go on to create the need for an unprecedented number of prisons, who are further disenfranchised for life as a result of their criminal records

Social Security -- again a a Bismarckian response to the "pink decade', never intended to actually work as promised, and didn't -- it is about to collapse

the California Welfare State, a failed idea -- what the government giveth, the government can taketh away (as the US Supreme Court ruled on Social Security benefits)

the Soviet Union, the Quebecian socialized medicine program -- all failed ideas
 
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the Great Society, governmental aim was to get people out of poverty, so they could meet their potential, and become vibrant contributing members of society; the actual result? massive creation of an underclass, for whom welfare is a way of life ... public housing where women, unmarried can rear fatherless sons who go on to create the need for an unprecedented number of prisons, who are further disenfranchised for life as a result of their criminal records

How many times did you need to say this to yourself before you actually BELIEVED it?
 

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Conservatives always cry about people abusing welfare, can someone actually back this up? Please?

They can't. All they do is tell ghost stories of the lazy minority who does nothing but burden the government, overpopulate the jail system and make some kind of luxurious living off of a Welfare Check. You'd think somewhere down the line, they would think about how someone would voluntarily live on $400-$600 unless they had no real choice?

Then again, we are talking about people who think there's a "mom" out there who can make a Mercedes car note payment, maintain a home, pay bills and feed their family on $7,200/yr BEFORE TAXES. :biggrin1:
 

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and yet the left still keeps trumpeting the glory of the Welfare State

projections indicate US Social Security is about to collapse

Quebec's socialized medicine is also not viable, and the socialism of the Euros is also under scrutiny for cutbacks

yet, we keep hearing Obama, among others calling for expanded socialism

amazing!

Do you have sources for any of this? Who was "glorifying" welfare? By most accounts, SSI is not due for collapse for another 20 years, who says it will collapse now? What does not viable mean? Doesn't work at all, or the way our system doesn't ensure 45M Americans? What nation is not cutting back now? Please cite examples, and use punctuation whenever possible.