Grammar and Spelling

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Sorry, i have no idea where you'd put the comma. Maybe i'm just as stupid as the gym owner.

"Please do not drop the weights and put them back when you are done."

should be

"Please do not drop the weights, and put them back when you are done."

The difference is that the original sentence is telling you to NOT drop the weights and NOT put them back when you are done with them, One simple comma changes the meaning to Do NOT drop the weights, and to (YES) put them away when you are done. I wouldn't make a big deal out of it if the sentence had been typed at LPSG....but this is a mega chain of gyms. I expect a higher degree of accuracy from a big company like 24 Hour Fitness.
 

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OH ok, that makes sense now. I learned a new little grammar rule. I am good once i know what the hell it is and why. I just didn't retain much of what i was supposed to learn in school. Much of what i know is self study/self taught stuff thanks to the internet. Which is probably not always the best place to learn grammer eh?
 

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I was raised to believe that failure to write grammatically and spell correctly are practically immoral. I was in college before letters were replaced by 'phone calls. When my siblings or I wrote a letter home, our mother was excruciatingly critical and pointed out all errors. Later, she complained that we didn't send her letters; I wonder why. Even now, I proof-read everything I write, even including posts here, although not quite so carefully as if I were writing a formal dissertation.

It seems that what is considered to be proper English usage is determined by how the hoi polloi use it rather than by how highly literate people used it before it became corrupted. For example, "healthful" and subjunctive mood have practically disappeared. People forget that some words are contractions and should be preceded by an apostrophe. Examples: 'phone, 'bus, 'cello. They also do not understand that "agenda" is plural and that "agendum" is singular. Similarly, "condominium" is singular and "condominia" is plural. Fortunately, there are still some people who get "data" and "datum" right and correctly say, "data are."

Samuel Johnson wrote the first English dictionary in the 18th century; it is available from Amazon.com. Presumably it was written before English became corrupted by the hoi polloi. I am seriously considering purchasing it to enable me to upgrade my usage of English to a higher standard.
 
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Honestly a majority of spelling/grammar corrections are made when someone has nothing else better to say in an argument. It really gets embarassing to even watch.

Agreed. I'm more tired of people who can't construct sound arguments than I am of people who misspell things.

And btw, I'm astonished that you only have a 6th grade education. Like... :eek: astonished. I thought you had a degree in something that would require a lot of writing!

*snip* What IS a big concern to me is the plethora of grammar and spelling mistakes in supposedly professional settings. *snip*

This pisses me off too! Many jobs are asking for college/university graduates, but going to post-secondary school doesn't mean your grammar and spelling will be flawless. It just means you can plagiarize :rolleyes:.

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Samuel Johnson wrote the first English dictionary in the 18th century; it is available from Amazon.com. Presumably it was written before English became corrupted by the hoi polloi. I am seriously considering purchasing it to enable me to upgrade my usage of English to a higher standard.

Don't waste your time on it. People were writing their own dictionaries all over the place and Johnson's predates a standardized English. In one dictionary I read, all entries in the "H" section (which was 4 or 5 pages long) started with Hell-.
 
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Agreed. I'm more tired of people who can't construct sound arguments than I am of people who misspell things.

And btw, I'm astonished that you only have a 6th grade education. Like... :eek: astonished. I thought you had a degree in something that would require a lot of writing!



This pisses me off too! Many jobs are asking for college/university graduates, but going to post-secondary school doesn't mean your grammar and spelling will be flawless. It just means you can plagiarize :rolleyes:.

I'm honored to hear that. I'm just a thinker and a communicator. Paying very little attention to the actual grammatical rules of the language and more attention to getting the point across in a way that the other person understands.

It's gotten me this far....i can't really complain. Although it does make me fear college because i have a LOT of learning to catch up on before i could get the college credit courses behind me.
 

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"Please do not drop the weights and put them back when you are done."

should be

"Please do not drop the weights, and put them back when you are done."

That's also incorrect!

It is improper to place a comma before "and" but the issue with the original example is that it is a improperly constructed sentence.

There are two choices:

a) insert the modifier "please" - "Please do not drop the weights and please put them back when you are done"

b) Make 2 distinct statements on the sign -

Please do not drop the weights!
Please return weights to the rack when done!

or there is another, more appropriate choice...

DON'T PATRONIZE 24 HOUR FITNESS! :biggrin1:




 

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"Please do not drop the weights and put them back when you are done."

should be

"Please do not drop the weights, and put them back when you are done."

Obviously the intent of the first sentence is clear, even though its literal meaning is not what the writer intended. literally, it means this:

"Please do not drop the weights. Do not put them back when you are done."

It is very difficult to write perfectly and none of us succeed totally.
 

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To be honest, I'm not too bothered by spelling mistakes and typos as long as I can understand the meaning of a post.
Saying that, I do try to proofread my own posts, but that's more about me and my job (similar to Helga's from the sound of things).
Having had to spend the last week writing American, I'm relieved but a little confused now that I'm back to BE.
 

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I was raised to believe that failure to write grammatically and spell correctly are practically immoral. I was in college before letters were replaced by 'phone calls. When my siblings or I wrote a letter home, our mother was excruciatingly critical and pointed out all errors. Later, she complained that we didn't send her letters; I wonder why. Even now, I proof-read everything I write, even including posts here, although not quite so carefully as if I were writing a formal dissertation.

It seems that what is considered to be proper English usage is determined by how the hoi polloi use it rather than by how highly literate people used it before it became corrupted. For example, "healthful" and subjunctive mood have practically disappeared. People forget that some words are contractions and should be preceded by an apostrophe. Examples: 'phone, 'bus, 'cello. They also do not understand that "agenda" is plural and that "agendum" is singular. Similarly, "condominium" is singular and "condominia" is plural. Fortunately, there are still some people who get "data" and "datum" right and correctly say, "data are."

Samuel Johnson wrote the first English dictionary in the 18th century; it is available from Amazon.com. Presumably it was written before English became corrupted by the hoi polloi. I am seriously considering purchasing it to enable me to upgrade my usage of English to a higher standard.

If you want to sound like someone trying to sound smart, then go right ahead and use "datum" :rolleyes:
 

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There are two choices:
Actually there's another, where the little-understood semicolon comes into play:

"Please do not drop the weights; put them back when you are done."

The semicolon is used to join two connected, independent clauses...in this case, the two having a shared predicate.


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DON'T PATRONIZE 24 HOUR FITNESS! :biggrin1:
True fact. :biggrin1:

If you want to sound like someone trying to sound smart, then go right ahead and use "datum" :rolleyes:

I think it's more a case of using the agreeing plural verb form are when using data.
 

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I'm honored to hear that. I'm just a thinker and a communicator. Paying very little attention to the actual grammatical rules of the language and more attention to getting the point across in a way that the other person understands.

It's gotten me this far....i can't really complain. Although it does make me fear college because i have a LOT of learning to catch up on before i could get the college credit courses behind me.

But grammar isn't a set of arbitrary rules you have to learn by rote. It's a means of expressing yourself clearly.

I was hopeless at learning the rules of grammar in school but I enjoyed reading books and absorbed a lot of the rules anyway. I passed the English exam largely by instinct.

For some reason my mind never lets me put a comma before the word "and". It's like some sort of pre-coded genetic brain thing that would defy the unspoken laws of the universe.

See - that's a grammatical rule you instictively know.