Growing hate groups blame Obama, economy

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  1. Principessa

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    I recently posted this on another forum to which I belong. I guesstimate their membership to be about 97% conservative, wingbat Republican. :rolleyes: I'm just curious to see how different, if at all the commentary is to the article and my statements.

    Growing hate groups blame Obama, economy

    By Stephanie Chen



    I don't get angry or pissed off as I'm sure many of you think a liberal to moderate Democrat like me would. Actually I try to stay out of most political forums because it makes my heart hurt. :frown1: That so many otherwise intelligent people could be misled by talk radio, conspiracy theories, fringe blogs, and alleged news sites is frightening to me.

    I've even heard some of you mention stocking up on guns and the possibility of civil war. Why? To what end? :confused: You all claim to be patriots; but a true patriot would never deliberately tear his country asunder for the things you have mentioned. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if it comes to that it will be because of the conservative right, not the liberal left.


    For what freedoms are you fighting? What is it that you feel you have lost because of President Obama's actions or inactions?

    I am aware that there is a HUGE deficit and the current stimulus bill, which though signed by the President, was not written by him. While some of you have come up with one or two good ideas, I have yet to see any of you come up with an overall stimulus bill or alternative to such that is guaranteed to work better.

    NAFTA and the outsourcing of jobs to India, Mexico, and Asia?
    Yeah well I'm not a fan of that either. I never was, but guess what? NOT OBAMA's FAULT!




    Since the election, well over 100,000 people have been laid off from various companies across the nation. Lay-offs of that magnitude are never decided overnight. Those companies were in trouble months if not years before President Obama even got the nomination.

    Chris Rock told a joke on one of his specials a few years back and though vulgar, truer words were never spoken. He said, "There is nothing a white man with a nickel hates more than an 'N' word with a dime."

    As to why I keep an eye on this and other politics forums, I believe in keeping my friends close and enemies closer.

     
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    blame Obama and the economy for what exactly?
     
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    11 trillion is the debt that got left behind.
    Blame the black man?:confused:
    Cue up the next TOBY KEITH tune........
     
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    This makes me think of a recurring conversation I have with bitter conservative co-workers:

    'Have you stopped to ask yourself just what almost 60 percent of voters were angry enough with in November?'. They don't seem to get it. They can't fathom why large numbers of people disagree with them, and refuse to think about what THEY could have done wrong.

    Regarding Civil war: Even the thought of it shows their narrow-minded view of the world around them because, honestly, I think it would be the shortest civil war ever. Let these folks seceed. Most of the coasts and large parts of the Southwest would say 'don't let the door hit you on the way out'. Part of me WANTS them gone, WANTS the to be separate, because at this stage in the game, folks that are THIS conservative are holding us back.

    RE: Deficit spending. Many conservatives like to do a verbal or rhetorical yoga-act to try to describe why borrow/cut+Spend and almost NO government spending on social programs or infrastructure is Preferred. I counter with a simple question:

    'You have a credit card, a LARGE one. What do you swipe it for: Something you won't EVER see again, something dissposable, or something you will never use. OR, do you swipe it for something that you WILL use, that in fact will help you MAKE MORE MONEY and then pay off the credit card faster? Which do you choose?' When they say 'something that will make me some money', I point out that THIS is the difference between Republican and Democratic ideas of deficit spending.

    Regarding civil unrest: An Aussie friend told me if the shit really hits the fan here, I have a bed to sleep on in Sydney...LOL
     
  5. Principessa

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    Haven't you been paying attention? The bad economy and the fact so many people are out of work is President Obama's fault. :rolleyes: :duh:
     
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    Yeah as a conservative republican myself, this even really pisses me off. I'm not a fan of Obama, but to me it's purely a political stance issue, not a matter of color.
     
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    I still have some faith, njqt466, that the serious, die-hard racists are in the 0.1% of the population of the USA, but recent events "up north" have given me some second thoughts on the subject.
     
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    People are stupid. There may very well be brilliant, college educated, people in these hate groups, but that doesn't mean they aren't stupid.

    They see things that they don't understand, or that aren't transparent and believe the first person that comes to them with an explanation. Rather than making an honest attempt to understand how the economy got this way and how there are thousands of people who are really to blame for it, they'll take the words of the first guy with a TV camera or a radio microphone.

    Even in cases of "this is scientific fact" people will ignore it somehow. Jet fuel doesn't burn at the temperature to melt structural steel. But the temperature at which the integrity is compromised when 20 stories of building is pushing down on it is well within the burning point of jet fuel. "Nope, the towers were brought down by controlled demolition, you're a liar, and shutup you stupidface."
     
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    My husband was laid off in January (right before the inauguration). His company had been struggling for at least 90 days prior to that. His layoff had nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with a failed economy.

    He just got a new job. His new job is with a company that contracts with government agencies. This company is rapidly expanding because of an increase in government spending since the stimulus package has been signed.

    Many people say "the worse thing you can do during a recession is raise taxes." These people are wrong. The worse thing you can do during a recession is lay people off. The US government is the largest employer in the country. When government programs are shut down, people loose jobs, which means unemployment goes up, which is bad for everybody. When Bush cut taxes, he forced the layoffs of many government workers. And what's worse, he slashed civilian contracts with government agencies. Obama's plan takes steps to reverse that. He just generated untold thousands of jobs with the stroke of a pen... but people who were expecting a big tax break are too busy being pissed to realize that they still have JOBS because they didn't get a tax break!
     
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    Uh, Not sure who you are getting this from. I despise everything obama stands for and even i now he isnt reponsible for what has happened since October of last year. However, he will be responsible when his stimulus and spending bills fail to do jack shit and in fact dig our economy even deeper into the hole.
     
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    Yeah, this model worked really well in the Soviet Union to.
     
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    It's so funny how President Obama has been in office for a little over 30 days and he gets blamed for everything. That is fine and all because we know that there are haters out there. The conservatives also use as getting back at everyone (Liberals) who hated Bush for everything that he did. I just don't see anyone offering any solutions that would be better than Obama's. That goes for all of those knuckle heads in Washington and pissed off Republicans. If you're not part of the problem. Please offer a better fucking solution. Bush had his tired ass in office for 8 years and I don't see where he did anything that would classify him as a better president than Obama. If anything...the man created bad kharma. Look at all of the bad things that happened on his watch!

    Any smart person would also know that Obama has nothing to do with the shit that's going on in America today. They would also know that he's not going to be the only person to get us out of this bullshit that we're in and facing down the road. Give the man for trying to do something!
     
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    You mean too. You allow your dislike of Obama to warp anything positive or hopeful into a snide stance.
     
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    Actually, the government in the soviet union wasn't much of an employer. That was part of the problem there. I really love all the part-time historians of the world who don't understand that socialism ≠ communism. But whatever, that's really not what we're talking about here. I bet you love the military, right? Guess what, that's a "socialist" program. YUP, it takes money from the tax payers for funding. Just like the highway system. And the school system. But hey, let's just cut all government spending so we don't have taxes and we can all not have enough money to buy bread - just like the soviets did.
     
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    Unless you're a fictional superhero, it's very hard to stop a speeding freight train than has been gaining momentum for more than a year. I was hoping that the President would be bolder. We need far more stimulus in a form that can be implemented quickly. It really doesn't matter what the Feds are spending on right now, the Feds just need to spend, spend, spend. The resulting deficits will need to be dealt with later. Contemporaneously, the Fed and Treasury must deal with this banking mess. If BOA and Citi have to be nationalized, put into a organized bankruptcy, sold off in pieces or whatever, do it NOW. Time is of the essence. We cannot continue to capitalize banks which are not functional. All of this requires very bold actions and huge expenditures. Is it mortgaging future generations? Probably so, but without bold and immediate action there won't be any real economic future for decades.

    Every Republican in Congress with an IQ over 100 knows this to be the case, but they choose to act as cynics and criticize every administration action. Their behavior is shameful because they really do know better and their harping is an impediment to bold action and only confounds and devides the public discourse.

    How we got here is almost irrelevant (except for the purpose of legislating new regulation). This may well be the greatest challenge faced by the US and the entire global community in a century. If there were ever a time to put aside all partisanship, it's now. We're in a war for economic survival which requires all of us to pull in the same direction. Like it or not, we must look to President Obama for leadership just as other world leaders are doing.
     
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    What is it that makes people so whoppingly ignorant as to say such idiotic things.

    A review of Bush legal memoranda and signing statements clearly demonstrates that the Bush administration took the exact same stance on executive authority as did Stalin.

    A review of his history of deregulation shows his economic policy ( if you could call it that) was strictly fascist in precisely the same sense as Hitler's ( whose party was backed by Krupps rather than big oil )

    A review of his budgets shows that he lied... refusing to include the money spent on two wars in his budgetary reports and planning.

    And a review of his and the GOP congress' spending shows that they were profligate spenders... Not Tax and spenders... but worse, BORROW and spenders.
    With the vast majority of that money going into the hands of the very companies and institutions that have failed due to mismanagement, corruption, graft and cronyism.

    And a review of recent history shows that is was BUSH and his appointees who handed out 750 billion taxpayer dollars- TO the the very banks that were mismanaged and unregulated.

    So, let's get this straight. Add that nearly trillion dollars to the deficit that Bush has run up over 8 years, Including the war cost Bush kept off the books, and Obama's budget has NOT and will not create anywhere near the deficit that Bush and republicans managed to accrue.


    Moreover... Obama's stimulus is NOT to 'nationalize' the banks- which was Bush's approach... rather, its to put dollars into the pockets of the consumers whose PURCHASING power is the ONLY thing that can pull the economy out of depression.



    I don't worry about the histrionic right ledge of the republicans.. because NO ONE is listening to them anymore.
    At least, no one with a functioning brain.


    And all this hating on Obama is only HALF racist white skinflints...
    The other half is just the same cold calculating manipulation tactics that resulted in an Impeach clinton organization months before Clinton even got elected.
     
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    Well, the logical counter would be: all people of color, all Jewish, all gay and lesbians, learn more about these hate groups and how they are operating in your city and state. And work with your local law enforcement agencies as a unified front.

    Check out The Southern Poverty Law Center's website. They have a lot of resources and information on there about some of the hate groups.

    And remember this...

     
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    The state of the economy isn't Obama's fault. But when it gets much worse due to the never ending cycle of bailouts, it WILL be Obama's fault.

    Sorry, but being the first African American president doesn't mean he's immune from being ineffective or stupid.

    I gave him the benefit of the doubt, even when others hated him based on only his race. Now, he's screwing up, big time, and him being black is going to be no excuse when it comes time to own up to his failures.

    I expected more sense from someone with an economics background like Obama, but he just doesn't get it.

    Obama doesn't need to worry about the hate groups who have always hated him. He needs to worry about his once upon a time supporters who have lost faith in him because of his poor performance and handouts for the rich at the taxpayer's expense.

    I know NJ is all about excuse making for her beloved Barak, but incompetence is incompetence and that's a matter of fact.
     
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    I like Obama. He's articulate, poised and comes across as intelligent and witty. He has a huge work ethic (he must be averaging 10 speeches a day at the moment) and seems to be everywhere at once spreading the word (successfully) that the USA isn't over yet.

    What I'm starting to seriously dislike are the men behind the curtain in his administration. This is starting to turn into another GWB admin where the guy in the bosses chair actually isn't running things at all. Unfortunately, the corrupt and incompetents are doing a damn good job of making him look bad to the sections of the community that this would appeal to.
     
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