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This is so much better than Los Angeles did.
Johannes Mehserle was sentenced to 2 years, minus double time for time served, so 292 days, basically, 15 months, for shooting a handcuffed, seated Oscar Grant on a train platform.
Mehserle was a BART cop.
 

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This is a positive start. Now it's time for the "good apples" in law enforcement to get on board with weeding out the "bad apples".
I'm not sure how many good apples there are but I have been pointing out that Chauvin's own boss testified against him.

If one claims to "back the blue" then it should include the Police Chief, right?
Police Chief Testifies Against Derek Chauvin Use Of Force (buzzfeednews.com)

Derek Chauvin’s trial shows cracks in blue wall of silence - The Washington Post
 

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`:joy::joy::joy::joy:

The crime rate "fell" when the cops stopped enforcing laws. You guys kill me.
You must admit there is a serious problem with excessive use of force by US cops. Here is a heavily disadvantaged town that dared to do different.

Counter-intuitive, perhaps, but the facts speak for themselves showing that rebooting a police service with a focus on de-escalation and guardianship has helped reduce the crime rate.

Unless you simply think that more police power and more state force is the answer to the problems of your inner cities?

The cops in Camden NJ marched in solidarity with BLM and over George Floyd's murder. That is real change.

 

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You must admit there is a serious problem with excessive use of force by US cops. Here is a heavily disadvantaged town that dared to do different.

Counter-intuitive, perhaps, but the facts speak for themselves showing that rebooting a police service with a focus on de-escalation and guardianship has helped reduce the crime rate.

Unless you simply think that more police power and more state force is the answer to the problems of your inner cities?

The cops in Camden NJ marched in solidarity with BLM and over George Floyd's murder. That is real change.

You need to check your stats, they also raised their police force numbers from ~270 to 420 :joy: Yeah they really "disbanded". More police presence means people less willing to attempt crimes. Also Camden is a pretty trashy place and I can tell you've never driven through there.
 

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At last, proof on a white cop results in conviction.

Well it's not exactly unprecedented. A jury in my city convicted cops for the Danzinger Bridge Shootings. But then the good-ol-boy system of justice reared its ugly head and the convictions were turned into slaps on the wrist.

So (and not trying to be a party pooper) THAT'S why, even though the guilty verdict was a wonderful day for justice prevailing, I'm STILL watching this with a WARY EYE. It isn't quite over YET.

'The right thing': Obama hails verdict in George Floyd's death
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Well it's not exactly unprecedented. A jury in my city convicted cops for the Danzinger Bridge Shootings. But then the good-ol-boy system of justice reared its ugly head and the convictions were turned into slaps on the wrist.

So (and not trying to be a party pooper) THAT'S why, even though the guilty verdict was a wonderful day for justice prevailing, I'm STILL watching this with a WARY EYE. It isn't quite over YET.

'The right thing': Obama hails verdict in George Floyd's death
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I agree 100%. It is great that he got convicted, but we do need to wait until sentencing. Even then we can’t be sure with whatever he gets will truly be the nail in his coffin. I heard someone mention he could potentially get 12 years instead of 40. That 12 would essentially be cut in half to 6. That could be cut again who knows.
 

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I agree 100%. It is great that he got convicted, but we do need to wait until sentencing. Even then we can’t be sure with whatever he gets will truly be the nail in his coffin. I heard someone mention he could potentially get 12 years instead of 40. That 12 would essentially be cut in half to 6. That could be cut again who knows.


I know people didn't like it at the time that be got bail but at least that way he did not get to do a year in what probably would have been some VERY FAVORABLE conditions

no where near "hard time" in Stillwater
 

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I agree 100%. It is great that he got convicted, but we do need to wait until sentencing. Even then we can’t be sure with whatever he gets will truly be the nail in his coffin. I heard someone mention he could potentially get 12 years instead of 40. That 12 would essentially be cut in half to 6. That could be cut again who knows.
Minnesota is a sentencing guideline state. They use this grid.
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https://mn.gov/msgc-stat/documents/Guidelines/2020/2020StandardSentencingGuidelinesGrid.pdf
The most serious crime Mr Chauvin was convicted of was 2nd degree murder, number 10. He has 0 criminal history. The guideline would then be for 150 months, or 12.5 years. The state, however, has asked for a lengthier sentence should Mr. Chauvin be convicted on any of the charges — what is known as an “upward sentencing departure” — citing aggravating factors including, the state has said in court filings, that 1.the killing of Mr. Floyd happened in the presence of children, that 2. Mr. Floyd was treated with “particular cruelty” by Mr. Chauvin, and that 3.Mr. Chauvin, as a police officer, “abused his position of authority.”
If the judge finds all three were proven, that's when the sentence will approach 40 years. The judge will conduct a trial to decide. Mr Chauvin waived his right to have a jury make the decision.
 

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I know people didn't like it at the time that be got bail but at least that way he did not get to do a year in what probably would have been some VERY FAVORABLE conditions

no where near "hard time" in Stillwater

Totally agree and that’s what I find worrying. I don’t want him having any favors that might make his time any easier.
 
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Minnesota is a sentencing guideline state. They use this grid.
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https://mn.gov/msgc-stat/documents/Guidelines/2020/2020StandardSentencingGuidelinesGrid.pdf
The most serious crime Mr Chauvin was convicted of was 2nd degree murder, number 10. He has 0 criminal history. The guideline would then be for 150 months, or 12.5 years. The state, however, has asked for a lengthier sentence should Mr. Chauvin be convicted on any of the charges — what is known as an “upward sentencing departure” — citing aggravating factors including, the state has said in court filings, that 1.the killing of Mr. Floyd happened in the presence of children, that 2. Mr. Floyd was treated with “particular cruelty” by Mr. Chauvin, and that 3.Mr. Chauvin, as a police officer, “abused his position of authority.”
If the judge finds all three were proven, that's when the sentence will approach 40 years. The judge will conduct a trial to decide. Mr Chauvin waived his right to have a jury make the decision.

Thanks for posting that. At one point I was hearing 60 years being thrown around. Don’t know if he could possibly get that high, but I’d like to see it.
 
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I agree 100%. It is great that he got convicted, but we do need to wait until sentencing. Even then we can’t be sure with whatever he gets will truly be the nail in his coffin. I heard someone mention he could potentially get 12 years instead of 40. That 12 would essentially be cut in half to 6. That could be cut again who knows.

Exactly. And that's assuming someone doesn't pull appeal shenanigans based upon some kind of bullshit.

Thanks for posting that. At one point I was hearing 60 years being thrown around. Don’t know if he could possibly get that high, but I’d like to see it.

Yes, also thanks @Industrialsize for posting this info. Didn't know that.
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