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Whoopsy daisy.


A handgun fired unexpectedly when it was dropped inside the house.

The 45-year-old mother, Marsha Lynch, told deputies the bullet went through her leg, then hit her 8-year-old daughter, Sharai Lynch, in head. . . .

Authorities did not release any further description of their understanding about what may have happened, including how the gun fell and who dropped it.​
 

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This is awful. Thankfully, legislation has reduced automobile deaths greatly.

Legislation that protects the safety of the public is sorely needed when it comes to firearms. For example, in 2006, there were 2 gun homicides in Japan and 25,423 in the US. Japan has very strict gun restrictions. They also enjoy freedom, peace, and a high standard of living.
"invented" the video games everyone wants to blame has plenty of young men who can't get laid and plenty of "mental illness"

Between Sumo wrestlers, Samuria's and Ninja's don't tell me it is not a "violent society"
Ninjas are the reason Japan has so few gun crime deaths. It's not their gun regulations. In Japan, there is a Ninja lurking behind nearly every corner, ready to leap out and fuck you up if you so much as think about drawing a gun. The United States does not need more guns or more gun control. What America needs is more Ninjas. If there was a Ninja on every block, ready to kick butt and break criminal bones, gun violence would drop to nothing. Plus they are cheap and easy to maintain. Give him some black pajamas, a bowl of rice and a dark corner and you have yourself a happy Ninja. I should write to Rudy Giuliani with this idea.
 
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It's not just crazies--look at the story of this asshole trying to show his gun to a 7-11 clerk (oh, right, not an essentially smart move) and shooting himself in the hand because he didn't know how to 'unload' it. Fools who don't know a damned thing can buy a gun and do damage...and the bullet went by the clerk's head:
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2015/10/medford_man_shoots_self_in_han.html

And what happens when an adult leaves a loaded gun on top of the refrigerator? A 6-year-old finds it and shoots his 3-year-old brother.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/us/chicago-boy-accidentally-shoots-brother/

One possible conclusion: Don't link gun problems with the mentally ill...
 

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"invented" the video games everyone wants to blame has plenty of young men who can't get laid and plenty of "mental illness"

Between Sumo wrestlers, Samuria's and Ninja's don't tell me it is not a "violent society"

I didn't see anyone make a claim about Japan not being a violent society. There was a claim about that country having only 2 gun homicides in 2006, which is an interesting statistic indeed.
 

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My point is that you have yo be licensed and have insurance in order to drive legally. These new rules for guns don't require that. In order to drive a car you are supposed to be responsible. Not so for most gun owners.

Ha!Now there's a fantasy!I drive 3-4 hundred miles a week for work and it's a crap shoot if I get home alive and in one piece because of the stupid shit that happens on the road.o_O
 

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Michael Shermer, the exponent of skeptical method, assesses the comparative risks and benefits of gun ownership: guess where the balance falls?

Guns in the U.S. (Michael Shermer, The Moral Arc, 21 Oct. 2015)

Consider this finding from a 1998 study published in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery: “Every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.”

In other words, the fantasy many of us have of facing down an intruder with a firearm is belied by the fact that a gun is 22 times more likely to be used in a criminal assault, an accidental death or injury, a suicide attempt or a homicide than it is for self-defense.

If you own a gun and keep it safely locked up and unloaded with the ammunition somewhere else (recommended by gun safety experts), do you really think that, in the event of a break-in, you could get to your gun, find your ammo and load it, engage the intruder, accurately aim and kill him, all before he takes your things? If you do, you’ve been watching too many movies. Go to a firing range and try shooting a handgun. It isn’t easy to do. It requires regular training. . . .

For a 2013 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Assn. Internal Medicine, researchers mined a database of 121,084 firearm deaths between 2007 and 2010. Then they compiled a “legislative strength score” for all 50 states based on the number and force of their gun control laws, and divided the states into quartiles. As it turns out, the states in the highest quartile of legislative strength had the lowest overall firearm fatality rate, and those in the lowest quartile had the highest fatality rate. This correlation held for both homicides and suicides.

The authors were careful to note that correlation does not imply causation. But earlier studies have also found that the higher a state’s gun ownership rate, the higher its rate of gun-related homicides and suicides. Yes, people can kill one another and themselves with knives, ropes, lead pipes, wrenches and candlestick holders, but the data match the growing national intuition that guns are a major problem.

If you own a gun and you don’t keep it safely locked up — if you keep it loaded and under your pillow, say — you might have a chance against an intruder, but you’re also setting yourself up for an accident. A depressed relative or perhaps a child could find the gun.
The comments are interesting. Most of them are from the pro-gun side. Of these, one or two raise some intelligent doubts about Shermer's arguments. The rest simply disregard his arguments entirely and reflexively repeat delusions and slogans in a spirit of "No facts need apply."
 
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Civilian live fire shooting targets. Why are they so often depicted as a human outline if it were for recreational target shooting only?

Dart boards don't come in human shapes...:) :), well they may have once, complete with apple. :)
 
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Ha!Now there's a fantasy!I drive 3-4 hundred miles a week for work and it's a crap shoot if I get home alive and in one piece because of the stupid shit that happens on the road.o_O
Are there bad drivers? Yes, but not having insurance, not having a license, or being under the influence while driving is still illegal. If cars are regulated then so should guns. Regulation won't stop gun violence or deaths but it does create some accountability so not just anyone can get to own one.
 

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What I was addressing was that all the "Lets just nothing" types are always saying that it's "violent video games" or "mental illness" or always quick to point out how the shooters always seem to be "young white guys who can't get laid" or that the US is a "violent society" compared to all these other countires UK, Germany and yes Japan and those are the "causes" and fact that you can go down and buy a gun/s, all the big mags, and all the ammo you want and have it be as easy as going down to 7-11 and buying a slurpee that has "nothing to do with it"

Well Japan, because it was the example given has all those things I listed, the NRA's supposed "causes" and yet somehow someway they do not having people getting shot and killed left right and center.
 

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Are there bad drivers? Yes, but not having insurance, not having a license, or being under the influence while driving is still illegal. If cars are regulated then so should guns. Regulation won't stop gun violence or deaths but it does create some accountability so not just anyone can get to own one.
They already are,every time you buy a gun or renew a carry permit there is a state and federal background check done.At point of sale the serial number on the gun is recorded and you are the registered owner on federal record.That's how it works in Oregon
 

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They already are,every time you buy a gun or renew a carry permit there is a state and federal background check done.At point of sale the serial number on the gun is recorded and you are the registered owner on federal record.That's how it works in Oregon
How much more paper work do you need to feel safe?Someone bent on doing evil does not care about accountability.
 

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How much more paper work do you need to feel safe?Someone bent on doing evil does not care about accountability.
Likewise, evil is in the eyes of the beholder, as in, "good vs. evil", feeling like a victim vs. feeling like a "citizen protector"; and last but not least, feeling infringed upon vs. standing your ground.
 

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They already are,every time you buy a gun or renew a carry permit there is a state and federal background check done.At point of sale the serial number on the gun is recorded and you are the registered owner on federal record.That's how it works in Oregon
Then explain how so many people end up with more fire power than one person could ever handle. While you are at it explain why some guns are then sold or given away to someone who hasn't had a background check.
 

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Yep make a joke of it,that's how we solve it.

Jeffries' comic performance presents very strong arguments against the delusions and bad arguments of gun-right advocates. If anyone is missing the point and disregarding serious concerns in this case, it is you, not he or the person who posted the link.
 
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Jeffries' comic performance presents very strong arguments against the delusions and bad arguments of gun-right advocates. If anyone is missing the point and disregarding serious concerns in this case, it is you, not he or the person who posted the link.
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To operate a motor vehicle the US you need to have 1) a license, 2) a registration 3) a safety inspection 4) INSURANCE in case you fuck up and kill someone.

This same rational should be applied as a minimum for owning a firearm in the US (I am not getting into an animated debate with over whether or not something is an assault rifle or not).

Don't blow smoke up my ass with how "there are already background checks in place". Fucking spare or show me the skewed statistics that show how many fucking idiots were denied the privilege of buying a weapon for failing a background check for reasons other than being a fucking jailbird. Do they actually look at medical records? If they do they are only done at local hospitals and I seriously doubt anyone ever gets told shit because of medical privacy.

Background checks are a joke even when they are done in scrutiny (ask the fucking traitor Snowden).

Owning a gun should be made as painful as owning a car, its not a god given right.

We will never be able to pull (sorry "pry" as the NRA says) all the guns out of all those "cold dead hands", but we need to stop letting them fall into the hands of fucking idiots and nut jobs.

If you believe your privilege of owning a fucking Uzi, Glock or whatever your Call of Duty flavor of the week than say the life of your kid, your kid you probably shouldn't own a weapon either.

You think your bad ass and want to play with weapons, take your happy ass to bas
 

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Then explain how so many people end up with more fire power than one person could ever handle. While you are at it explain why some guns are then sold or given away to someone who hasn't had a background check.

Here in Oregon that's illegal even among family,big shock criminals ignoring the law!And until gun laws become federal and applied nation wide each state gets to set up it's own rules.I'd love to see one set of rules for all,but I don't think it'll happen anytime soon