Gun control

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Those are not purposes protected by the Second Amendment. Absent an "armed militia" argument, the Second Amendment fails and the alt-left will be knocking on your door and mine.

Your ignoring my point. You have access to military drones? How the fuck you gonna protect yourself from weapons you can't see coming. You're just fucking dead.

That was my whole point, the argument makes no sense in 2017.

 

[Max_Polo]

Your ignoring my point. You have access to military drones? How the fuck you gonna protect yourself from weapons you can't see coming. You're just fucking dead.

We can acknowledge that reality, then you can kiss your firearms good bye. They are only protected by the Second Amendment under an armed militia argument.

 

[phonehome]

Well it is NOT so you can be part of the "well regulated militia "

It is not and never has been "just anyone with a gun

Scalia was WRONG about that

Just as Plessey v Ferguson was "wrongly decided" and eventually overturned by Brown v board so was Heller v DC and sooner or later it too will be overturned

 

[Max_Polo]

We can acknowledge that reality, then you can kiss your firearms good bye. They are only protected by the Second Amendment under an armed militia argument.

That didn't take long.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

We can acknowledge that reality, then you can kiss your firearms good bye. They are only protected by the Second Amendment under an armed militia argument.

I love my guns. I actually do. I won't lie, I don't want to give them up all together. However, I'm not gonna lie to myself and act like they keep me so safe from a crooked government. Hell I know just having them in my house makes me more likely to get shot.

I still support heavier gun regulations nation wide.

 

[phonehome]

The vast majority often 100% of the "gun sellers" at gun shows are NOT "gun dealers" AKA FFL holders so that means they do NOT do background checks.

Also if that "gun seller never even learns the persons first name much less the last name and NEVER asks to see an ID how would they ever know if that person is a "prohibited person" ??

There are gun shows at least once a month close to where I live. I go to them a few times a year just so i can see what goes on and what kind of things get sold and so I can "know what I am talking about".

I have seen more times than I can count a person walk up to a table and in less than 5 minutes select a gun hand over the right amount of cash and walk away with it I have been close enough to hear that other than maybe a first name and often not even that the seller knows NOTHING about the buyer never once seen an ID produced which of course means no background check was done

NOT ONE TIME in literally 100's of sales over the years

Also both of these locations are within 15 miles of the state line and seeing how it is AGAINST THE LAW for even "private seller" to "sell across state lines" you would need to ask for an ID just to ensure you are not doing that but again NO ONE has ever checked for that either

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

In most states private individuals can sell to another individual within their state with no background check but this has nothing to do with gun shows and the Feds have no jurisdiction. It is illegal for a private seller to sell to a prohibited person. Dealers at gun shows run the same background checks they do at their stores. Liberals think criminals are going to gun shows and buying guns no questions asked, it is just not the case.

In most states, there is NO REQUIRED BACKGROUND CHECK for sales at gun shows/flea markets. Totally legal here in New Mexico.

 

[rbkwp]

wouldent give any creedemce to that other one
compared to your credibility TnJ
love your thoughtul posts compared to .. etc
long may they continue

 

[b.c.]

The vast majority often 100% of the "gun sellers" at gun shows are NOT "gun dealers" AKA FFL holders so that means they do NOT do background checks.

In most states, there is NO REQUIRED BACKGROUND CHECK for sales at gun shows/flea markets. Totally legal here in New Mexico.

THEY know that. They're just trying to blow smoke up our bums in favor of keeping their gun shows, their bump stocks, their internet sales, their silencers... pardon... SUPPRESSORS ... and everything else.

Those are not purposes protected by the Second Amendment. Absent an "armed militia" argument, the Second Amendment fails and the alt-left will be knocking on your door and mine.

So again, like I asked in the other thread, what "boogiemen" do you fear coming for you in the night? The so-called "alt-left"?

I think you need to turn off Limbaugh, dude. He'll make you daft.

(And yes, I know... your name's not "dude.")

 

[Drifterwood]

Any prizes for guessing who makes up the 3% who own half the guns in the U.S.?

Anyone think it could be sensible to check out the people who have arsenals like the Vegas murderer?

 

[Klingsor]

And remember what that great pacifist, Ghandi, said about the worse thing that the British did to the Indian people when they had India has a colony...they disarmed the people of India.

Gun quotes out of context are fun. Do the Freud one, too.

 

[BULLDOG00]

In most states, there is NO REQUIRED BACKGROUND CHECK for sales at gun shows/flea markets. Totally legal here in New Mexico.

If you are buying from a dealer a background check is required whether you are at a gun show, flea market, gun store, or buying out of a guy's trunk. This applies in New Mexico or any other state.

 

[BULLDOG00]

I love my guns. I actually do. I won't lie, I don't want to give them up all together. However, I'm not gonna lie to myself and act like they keep me so safe from a crooked government. Hell I know just having them in my house makes me more likely to get shot.

I still support heavier gun regulations nation wide.

EXACTLY what regulations are you looking for? Lets see if you can do better than b.c.

 

[BULLDOG00]

Any prizes for guessing who makes up the 3% who own half the guns in the U.S.?

Anyone think it could be sensible to check out the people who have arsenals like the Vegas murderer?

How would you know who possess an, "arsenal?" Even if you did know who had the, "arsenals," how does that prove criminal intent? Stephen Paddock had no criminal record. He even had a pilot's license.

 

[Max_Polo]

in favor of keeping their gun shows, their bump stocks, their internet sales, their silencers...

Say that over and over again. You'll convince yourself but not anyone who can read my prior posts.

So again, like I asked in the other thread, what "boogiemen" do you fear coming for you in the night? The so-called "alt-left"?

Asked and answered. But I'll try again using simple words for you. I don't fear anyone entering my home, it's exceedingly (that means "very, very") unlikely to ever happen, but I do take comfort knowing that if it does, I can defend my family.

 

[Max_Polo]

In most states, there is NO REQUIRED BACKGROUND CHECK for sales at gun shows/flea markets. Totally legal here in New Mexico.

No ID and registration requirement? Isn't that a Federal law?

 

[BULLDOG00]

The vast majority often 100% of the "gun sellers" at gun shows are NOT "gun dealers" AKA FFL holders so that means they do NOT do background checks.

Complete nonsense. First of all if, you are at point where you are buying a table at a gun show and selling guns you are going to pass the threshold where the Feds will call you a dealer and require you to have an FFL. Second, the vast majority of gun shows will not allow Joe Blow to set up a table and sell guns. Nearly all gun sellers are gun shows are Federally licensed firearms dealers. Third, the sale of guns between individuals in-state is STATE regulated.

 

[Brodie888]

If the intention of the 2nd Amendment was to have the death toll we suffer each year from shootings then there's clearly something wrong with it.

I'll happily trade my rights to a gun for the right not to be shot dead by some nut while I'm at a concert.

If more legal guns meant safety, the number of mass shootings every year says otherwise.

 

[BULLDOG00]

No ID and registration requirement? Isn't that a Federal law?

You are talking about a state issue. There is no registration at the Federal level, that would be in violation of the 2nd Amendment. The Feds can't keep a database of gun owners, it is against Federal law to do so. Most states do not require gun registration, that is a Hollywood invention.

As for ID requirements, in every state you are responsible for complying with Federal law and ensuring that you are not knowingly selling to a prohibited person. When I've sold guns here in Nevada, the buyer has shown me their Nevada CCW permit to satisfy this requirement.

 

[Max_Polo]

Complete nonsense. First of all if, you are at point where you are buying a table at a gun show and selling guns you are going to pass the threshold where the Feds will call you a dealer and require you to have an FFL. Second, the vast majority of gun shows will not allow Joe Blow to set up a table and sell guns. Nearly all gun sellers are gun shows are Federally licensed firearms dealers. Third, the sale of guns between individuals in-state is STATE regulated.

So the distinction is that states regulate individual-to-individual sales, but selling at a gun show would trigger federal requirement to have FFL, right?