Gun control

[BULLDOG00]

So the distinction is that states regulate individual-to-individual sales, but selling at a gun show would trigger federal requirement to have FFL, right?

That is close, but not quite accurate. Federal laws apply to all sales, gun dealers must conduct background checks wherever they sell a gun no matter if it is at a gun show or their own store, and private transfers between individuals of the SAME STATE are regulated by state law.

One of the problems with liberals is that they do not know or understand gun laws. They've got the public so convinced that anyone, even a felon, can walk into a gun show and buy a gun that the public is starting to believe it. There are reports of many incidences of felons going to gun dealers at gun shows and even having background checks done because they heard on the news that they can buy a gun at a gun show with no background checks.

As we have seen repeatedly, liberals don't understand guns or gun laws but they think they are the people who should dictate to all of us what guns and what gun laws we should have. They are simply out of their depth. We have the extremists like Industraillies they say repeal the 2nd Amendment and ban all the guns, and then we have the ignorant like b.c. and Tight_N_Juicy who bang the drums for regulations but have no idea about policy or the subject matter.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

If you are buying from a dealer a background check is required whether you are at a gun show, flea market, gun store, or buying out of a guy's trunk. This applies in New Mexico or any other state.

It's already been pointed out that many people selling guns at gun shows/flea markets are Not certified dealers.

I've seen the transactions. More than one time. Throughout my life. I personally know multiple people who have purchased guns with no background check, totally legally. It is just as easy as walking up to a both, handing over the money, and walking away with a deadly weapon. It. Does. Happen.

 

[BULLDOG00]

It's already been pointed out that many people selling guns at gun shows/flea markets are Not certified dealers.

I've seen the transactions. More than one time. Throughout my life. I personally know multiple people who have purchased guns with no background check, totally legally. It is just as easy as walking up to a both, handing over the money, and walking away with a deadly weapon. It. Does. Happen.

Where the sellers dealers acting without a license or where the buyers prohibited persons under Federal law? Your state regulates private sales between individuals of the same state but the buyer and seller must still comply with Federal law.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

 

[Drifterwood]

How would you know who possess an, "arsenal?" Even if you did know who had the, "arsenals," how does that prove criminal intent? Stephen Paddock had no criminal record. He even had a pilot's license.

If you can't understand English, please don't try to engage in a conversation.

I didn't say anything about criminal intent.

There are people out there with arsenals of weapons and ammunition who really shouldn't have them for the safety of the community. You seem to have no sensibility to the duty to protect people.

 

[phonehome]

B/D

What part of the fact that "Gunsellers" not to be confused with "gun dealers" AKA FFL holders are NOT required to conduct background checks to complete their "private sales" even if they complete 100's of them a year they are not considered to be "gun dealers " ??

What part of the fact that if you never learn more than the persons first name if that or where they live can you ever learn if that buyer IS a "prohibited person" IE some one from another state especially when the state line is less than 15 miles away.

BTW bud I "understand gun laws" just fine judging by the way you are CONSTANTLY talking out of your ass on the subject it is OBVIUOS that you do NOT! !!

 

[BULLDOG00]

B/D

What part of the fact that "Gunsellers" not to be confused with "gun dealers" AKA FFL holders are NOT required to conduct background checks to complete their "private sales" even if they complete 100's of them a year they are not considered to be "gun dealers " ??

What part of the fact that if you never learn more than the persons first name if that or where they live can you ever learn if that buyer IS a "prohibited person" IE some one from another state especially when the state line is less than 15 miles away.

BTW bud I "understand gun laws" just fine judging by the way you are CONSTANTLY talking out of your ass on the subject it is OBVIUOS that you do NOT! !!

Point out what I have gotten wrong about gun laws and cite the specific law I was incorrect about. I won't hold my breathe because you won't be able to do it.

Private sales are governed by STATE law, 50 states, 50 sets of rules so you need to specify the state you are talking about. As far as someone selling hundreds of guns per year, good luck convincing the Feds that you are not selling for a profit and therefore need an FFL.

 

[950483]

Hilarious! . I'm in favour of the buyback scheme. Excellent idea. A gun amnesty would be nowhere near as successful as that.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Private sales are governed by STATE law, 50 states, 50 sets of rules so you need to specify the state you are talking about..

Which is a huge fucking problem.

 

[BULLDOG00]

I am still waiting to hear Tight_N_Juicy's comprehensive gun control plan. So far the only person who has put forth a plan is Industriallies, a gun ban and repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

 

[BULLDOG00]

Which is a huge fucking problem.

How has it been a problem?

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I am still waiting to hear Tight_N_Juicy's comprehensive gun control plan. So far the only person who has put forth a plan is Industriallies, a gun ban and repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

Require a license for the purchase of all firearms, ammunition, and accessories. No more assault rifles. Restrict the amount of ammo a person can purchase. Restrict the number of guns a person can own. No more 50 states, 50 sets of rules bullshit. We pass Nation Wide legislation that all American citizens must abide by.

I do not support a full repeal of the second amendment. I do not support the extremely loose laws we have now that allow us to be #1 in gun violence Every Single Year in this world.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

How has it been a problem?

Oh, I dunno... Ask the families of the dead.

 

[BULLDOG00]

Oh, I dunno... Ask the families of the dead.

Source?

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Source?

Fuck you.

 

[950483]

You give the typical response from of English asshole to reasonable and intelligent question. I swear, you Brits are the biggest assholes on the planet. You are a bunch of arrogant pricks but face to face you'd never talk to anyone that way.

How will you know who has an, "arsenal," as you put it, and if they do have an, "arsenal," who and by what criteria is it decided that the owner of the, "arsenal," is a danger to the public.

What you need to understand is that such a high proportion of the population will experience mental health issues, (or even drug or alcohol addictions) at some point that granting guns on the current status of a person's mental health is absurd anyway. Anyone could become a danger to the public at any time. Unfortunate gun related accidents are also best prevented by the absence of guns. The video @Tight_N_Juicy posted is so right - buying a shitload of any one thing, or owning an arsenal of cats is crazy in itself. Believe me. It's true! I've just this minute finished a phone conversation with my partner where he has questioned my need to own six pairs of wellington boots.

 

[BULLDOG00]

Require a license for the purchase of all firearms, ammunition, and accessories. No more assault rifles. Restrict the amount of ammo a person can purchase. Restrict the number of guns a person can own. No more 50 states, 50 sets of rules bullshit. We pass Nation Wide legislation that all American citizens must abide by.

I do not support a full repeal of the second amendment. I do not support the extremely loose laws we have now that allow us to be #1 in gun violence Every Single Year in this world.

A license at the Federal level would be illegal, tantamount to gun registration. That is against Federal law.

What is an assault rifle? You must give a legal definition, it must be extremely specific. The term assault weapon is meaningless.

How much ammunition? What about reloading components? How will you enforce this? How would this not be in conflict with the 2nd Amendment?

Restrict guns to how many? How would this law be Constitutional?

 

[BULLDOG00]

Fuck you.

Just as I thought, you've got nothing.

 

[BULLDOG00]

What you need to understand is that such a high proportion of the population will experience mental health issues, (or even drug or alcohol addictions) at some point that granting guns on the current status of a person's mental health is absurd anyway. Anyone could become a danger to the public at any time. Unfortunate gun related accidents are also best prevented by the absence of guns. The video @Tight_N_Juicy posted is so right - buying a shitload of any one thing, or owning an arsenal of cats is crazy in itself. Believe me. It's true! I've just this minute finished a phone conversation with my partner where he has questioned my need to own six pairs of wellington boots.

There is already a legal standard to declare one mentally ill or incompetent and these people are already prohibited from owning or possessing firearms.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Just as I thought, you've got nothing.

I've got a grave to visit...

You're a waste of consciousness.