Gun control

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I forgot to clarify, when I say I shoot for sport, that just means going to a gun range and hitting targets. Nothing living. Only if we're going to eat it.

 

[Chrysippus]

I own firearms because I want to. That better?

I hunt infrequently, but enjoy when I do. Don't need to shoot anything I'm not going to eat, but love venison.

I enjoy shooting recreationally and value the opportunity to teach my children how to safely and responsibly handle firearms.

I value the ability to protect my home and family.

If I am not home, my guns are locked away where they cannot be stolen without Herculean effort. If someone steals my television while I'm gone, so be it. It's a problem for Chubb, not me. I'll be pissed, but I'll get a new TV and I would not shoot someone to stop them from stealing a TV.

If, on the other hand, someone enters my home while occupied, either my wife or I would not hesitate to use deadly force to protect ourselves and our family. Wouldn't think twice about it. Simple as that.​

Here we go again, I, I, I, I, I, I, my, my, my. But it’s not about you, is it, Mimi? Nobody cares about what the fuck you do.
What people worry about are Charles Whitman, Jared Loughner, Dylann Roof, Nidal Hassan, Adam Lanza, Omar Mateen, Chicago gang shooters, Waco biker gangs, Chris Harper-Mercer, Sayed Rizwan Farouk, Cho Seung-Hui, and Stephen Paddock

 

[rbkwp]

for what its worth
F'n nutter

Twelve of the 23 guns found in the Las Vegas shooter’s hotel room were retrofitted with an add-on that allows a semiautomatic weapon to mimic the action of an automatic, according to the ATF. The buzz surrounding these add-ons follows a now-familiar pattern.

Andrew “Mr. Wick” Wickerham helps his customers at the 2nd Amendment Gun Shop in Las Vegas on Tuesday, he mentions how he’s getting a little annoyed at this “new buzzword” circulating among gun owners.

“All of the sudden we’re getting all these calls about these bump-fire stocks,” says Mr. Wickerham, a combat veteran who served 10 years with the Marines. “It’s getting ridiculous – these people never even knew what a bump-fire stock was until they saw it on the news. It’s the new hype. All of the sudden, people are saying, ‘I got to get one of these before they’re not available anymore.’ ”


October 08, 2017

Why gun experts don’t support banning – or buying – ‘bump stocks’
Twelve of the 23 guns found in the Las Vegas shooter’s hotel room were retrofitted with an add-on that allows a semiautomatic weapon to mimic the action of an automatic, according to the ATF. The buzz surrounding these add-ons follows a now-familiar pattern.

‘I don't think it’s the same old story’

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Socie...030&jb=51&&cmpid=ema:nws:Weekender_(10-08-17)

 

[Max_Polo]

Here we go again, I, I, I, I, I, I, my, my, my. But it’s not about you, is it, Mimi? Nobody cares about what the fuck you do.
What people worry about are Charles Whitman, Jared Loughner, Dylann Roof, Nidal Hassan, Adam Lanza, Omar Mateen, Chicago gang shooters, Waco biker gangs, Chris Harper-Mercer, Sayed Rizwan Farouk, Cho Seung-Hui, and Stephen Paddock

You idiot, I was specifically replying to repeated requests for my reasons for owning a firearm.

Poor Little Chrysippus - having trouble reading now too? Do try to keep up.

 

[deleted15807]

How better to understand social unrest than to let agencies like the CDC study it: afraid of what they might find?

Knowledge, rational thinking, expert consensus are all enemies. Brute know-nothing cowboyish actions can be used to solve all problems.

 

[JulieInNaplesFL]

We'll get rid of all our guns when EVERYBODY get rid of their guns. Or when all the assholes in the world are gone.

Until then, Lock and Load.

 

[Fencepost]

I would like them to also profile anyone who owns a gun. If the majority of Americans do not own a gun, then what is it makes some decide that they need one?, the people arguing pro guns often don't seem to have the healthiest outlook on life.

Ma'am, your statement is simple bigotry and self righteousness. I do not belong to the NRA and I do not own any firearms, but you have condemned a very broad swath of America to moral inferiority. Want to know a growing, gun buying demographic? Liberal women. Yep. For self defense. Another growing, gun buying demographic- black men with families. Same reason for purchase. Please, Ms. Swoon, stop making personal judgments and consider the possibility that normal, decent people buy firearms for self defense in this country.
It may be true that some gun owners are extremists, and some may be mentally imbalanced. Yep, this is reality in America today. So? You would take away the right of those liberal ladies and black fathers to defend themselves and their families? How would this stop another Paddock from killing? How? I am certainly willing to entertain common sense regulations to avoid selling to crazy people or felons. Check! While we are at it, enforce what is already on the books. Check! We are on the same page with these. Let's focus on these, and stop making flaming general pronouncements about people's characters.

 

[BULLDOG00]

LOL LOL LOL

Even the Huffpost is admitting that the whole bump stock debate is just another shiny object for liberals to chase, like a cat chasing a laser pointer. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://www.yahoo.com/news/banning-bump-stocks-mostly-meaningless-193518250.html

 

[Chrysippus]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

A clear indicator of low IQ...

 

[BigBen]

Our guns are useless again the firepower our government has. The argument falls flat on it's face. Back when the second amendment was written, it was plausible. Today, not close.

Actually not true at all. Your really should keep up with CURRENT history.

The rebellion in Spain is happening now. And in Venezuela...and other places around the planet.

History is replent with examples of the population...the MILITIA in the correct terms...over powering the abuses of government. Even in modern times....see the 70 or so revolutions that occurred in the last 25 years. So YOUR argument is false.
And there is another caveat....the "government" soldiers/police...at some point in the carnage...get tired of shooting at their own friends and family.

Oppps....those pesky facts get in the way of your comments again.

 

[Industrialsize]

Actually not true at all. Your really should keep up with CURRENT history.

The rebellion in Spain is happening now. And in Venezuela...and other places around the planet.

History is replent with examples of the population...the MILITIA in the correct terms...over powering the abuses of government. Even in modern times....see the 70 or so revolutions that occurred in the last 25 years. So YOUR argument is false.
And there is another caveat....the "government" soldiers/police...at some point in the carnage...get tired of shooting at their own friends and family.

Oppps....those pesky facts get in the way of your comments again.

Pesky facts, the militias mentioned in the 2nd amendment were for the purpose of fighting slave rebellions, not the government.

 

[BigBen]

Those are not purposes protected by the Second Amendment. Absent an "armed militia" argument, the Second Amendment fails and the alt-left will be knocking on your door and mine.

NO....wrong again. The SCOTUS has already ruled...many times....the individual has the right to full ownership of firearms. There have been limits in some states...that one by one are being removed with time and elections.
The Second Amendment is NOT a limit to only uses by a "militia"...that is listed as one of the reasons...not all reasons...and the courts have always recognized all uses other than criminal activities such as murder and robbery, etc.

 

[BigBen]

Pesky facts, the militias mentioned in the 2nd amendment were for the purpose of fighting slave rebellions, not the government.

NOPE....not a FACT at all. That is wrong. READ the arguments of the time in the debates. NEVER about slave rebellion...but a MILITIA to control the government and to repell invaders...such as the Brits giving it another go in 1812.

 

[BULLDOG00]

Pesky facts, the militias mentioned in the 2nd amendment were for the purpose of fighting slave rebellions, not the government.

Holy shit Industriallies, did your minor in history at Devry!?!?!?!?!?! Where do you come up with this absolute bullshit? LIES LIES LIES.

 

[950483]

I hunt infrequently, but enjoy when I do. Don't need to shoot anything I'm not going to eat, but love venison.

It's well known that killing animals for fun is a psychopathic trait, but fair enough if you are going to eat them.

I enjoy shooting recreationally and value the opportunity to teach my children how to safely and responsibly handle firearms.

Doesn't sound like as much fun as tiddlywinks to be honest. You might also enjoy throwing things at the waste paper bin and seeing if you can get them in there sometimes if you ever fancy a change. That doesn't seem like a good reason or argument for gun ownership.

I value the ability to protect my home and family.

If I am not home, my guns are locked away where they cannot be stolen without Herculean effort. If someone steals my television while I'm gone, so be it. It's a problem for Chubb, not me. I'll be pissed, but I'll get a new TV and I would not shoot someone to stop them from stealing a TV.

If, on the other hand, someone enters my home while occupied, either my wife or I would not hesitate to use deadly force to protect ourselves and our family. Wouldn't think twice about it. Simple as that.

This is obviously about fear, even though you stated in another thread that for you a home invasion is unlikely and has never happened in your zip code. So that does make you sound a bit paranoid. Whether your fear is justified or not, what you are frightened of is the fact that other people have guns. If they didn't would you still feel the need to own guns?

 

[Max_Polo]

The Second Amendment is NOT a limit to only uses by a "militia"...that is listed as one of the reasons...not all reasons...and the courts have always recognized all uses other than criminal activities such as murder and robbery, etc.

As I understand it, that was the substance of the Heller decision and others prior.

The text of the Second Amendment is brief, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

 

[Chrysippus]

We'll get rid of all our guns when EVERYBODY get rid of their guns. Or when all the assholes in the world are gone.

Until then, Lock and Load.

Actually, I am glad to see you back (even though we don’t agree...). Hadn’t seen a post since the hurricane and the coverage of damage in Naples...so you’re OK?

 

[950483]

Ma'am, your statement is simple bigotry and self righteousness. I do not belong to the NRA and I do not own any firearms, but you have condemned a very broad swath of America to moral inferiority. Want to know a growing, gun buying demographic? Liberal women. Yep. For self defense. Another growing, gun buying demographic- black men with families. Same reason for purchase. Please, Ms. Swoon, stop making personal judgments and consider the possibility that normal, decent people buy firearms for self defense in this country.
It may be true that some gun owners are extremists, and some may be mentally imbalanced. Yep, this is reality in America today. So? You would take away the right of those liberal ladies and black fathers to defend themselves and their families? How would this stop another Paddock from killing? How? I am certainly willing to entertain common sense regulations to avoid selling to crazy people or felons. Check! While we are at it, enforce what is already on the books. Check! We are on the same page with these. Let's focus on these, and stop making flaming general pronouncements about people's characters.

Paddock didn't kill all of the people who died in gun incidents so far this year.
What the fuck is wrong with your country then that makes owning a gun for self defence such a sane and reasonable idea?
As for the rest of your post, well, we'll just have to wait and have a look at the research when it has been done and made available won't we?

 

[BULLDOG00]

It's well known that killing animals for fun is a psychopathic trait, but fair enough if you are going to eat them.

Doesn't sound like as much fun as tiddlywinks to be honest. You might also enjoy throwing things at the waste paper bin and seeing if you can get them in there sometimes if you ever fancy a change. That doesn't seem like a good reason or argument for gun ownership.

This is obviously about fear, even though you stated in another thread that for you a home invasion is unlikely and has never happened in your zip code. So that does make you sound a bit paranoid. Whether your fear is justified or not, what you are frightened of is the fact that other people have guns. If they didn't would you still feel the need to own guns?

Hmmmmmmm I've never been in a car accident, but I wear my seatbelt every time I get in the car. I've never had a house fire, but I have a fire extinguisher. I have, however had to draw my firearm.

 

[950483]

We'll get rid of all our guns when EVERYBODY get rid of their guns. Or when all the assholes in the world are gone.

Until then, Lock and Load.

Good. Glad to hear it. That's the spirit . It's probably too much to ask to want to get rid of all of the assholes as well though, as that will include peolple who snore, and those who drive too slowly.