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So if tomorrow so guy walks into a Waffle House in AL this time with a Remington 870 loaded with 00 buckshot and shoots and kills this time 5 people which is quite possible and has that empty weapon wrestled away from him by and un-armed customer while he was trying to reload we should all say "well gee at least it was not an AR-15 type rifle, so lets no mention it"

after all it was "just a shotgun"

Is that it ???

Tell us about that when it actually happens. We can all invent fictitious scenarios like the one where you and Industrialsize enter a wafflehouse and start rambling on with these arguments that give cause for the use of the word "libtarded" and everyone dies from anyeurisms.
 
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background checks for having a gas line running into your house because we've had a number of gas line related explosions here lately.

And you can't buy that at a vacant Walmart on every third Saturday!
 

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There are jurisdictions that require "permits" to own any kind of firearm, be it hand gun, rifle of any action type be it semi auto or single shot and yes SHOTGUNS be it a Remington 1100 semi auto, 870 pump or a single or double barrel.

R.I.P., Remington

Now that the black guy is out of the White House, gun sales have dropped. Ironic that the NRA helped cause the decline in gun sales.
 

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I am just at a loss as to what you actual point was/is

It seemed like you were saying "as long as they use a shotgun it is OK"

Frankly I would have said NOTHING if you had no been talking out of you ass when you were saying that the sales of shotguns were NOT regulated.
 
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I am just at a loss as to what you actual point was/is

It seemed like you were saying "as long as they use a shotgun it is OK"

It would only seem that way if you were reading what I wrote with libtard goggles (see also: Industrialsize).

I was saying that the political concerns about access to firearms do not revolve around shotguns. Shotguns have the types of legitimate purposes (hunting and home defense) that fall well under the auspices of the second amendment. They are difficult to conceal, have a low capacity, a low rate of fire, and short range. They can certainly be lethal, but fall into the bucket with a lot of things that can be lethal but still trusted in the hands of the populace (e.g. knives).

When people liberals argue that sports hunters do not need military rifles in order to hunt, shotguns are the type of alternative they are thinking of. Going after shotgun ownership is going after the alternative to military weapon ownership, it would be stupid.

Above and beyond that, the specific case example which stormfront cited is a poor argument for greater controls on shotgun ownership because the damage done was minimal. Like I said, that student wanted to attack a classmate for attention and there's no alternative that produces a better outcome then what actually happened (1 student injured, no fatalities).




Frankly I would have said NOTHING if you had no been talking out of you ass when you were saying that the sales of shotguns were NOT regulated.

I'm hardly talking out of my ass. They're not regulated in the way that rifles and pistols are. Even in states which have gun permit and registration laws, shotguns do not require permits to own them and registration is optional, not required. It's not that they're not regulated at all, but they're in a completely different category.

All these discussions about gun control are about handguns (the weapon that is most prevalent (by far) in firearm homicides) and military styled rifles (which have strong ability to be used to inflict mass casualties).

Are you, Industrialsize, or Stormfront really arguing that we need stricter controls on shotgun ownership? Because there are zero politicians I know of who are pursuing that approach. You'd have to start your own political party. Not sure what your slogan would be (Submit to bears and home intruders, ban shotguns now!)
 

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P.S. Even Australia, which gets held up here constantly as the pinnacle of what tighter gun control can do for homicide rates... Shotguns are easy to obtain there (I'm not talking about military styled semi automatic shotgun bullshit. I'm just talking about what normal people on the street would think of when you're talking about shotguns).

(semi-automatic shotguns are available in Australia as well, it's just a more restrictive license).
 

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well you are still talking out of your ass.

Go back and read what you wrote. "the sales of shotguns are NOT regulated"period full stop

You did NOT say "in the way that rifles and pistols are" or anything anywhere close to that.

There ARE states and local jurisdictions that REQUIRE permits to own ANY type of firearm and do require the registration of any and all firearms handguns, rifles and YES that includes shotguns too.

So lets review

Shotgun sales are regulated, you said they were not and then backpedaled to "in a completely different way" when in fact the Federal regulations of sales AKA "background checks" or lack there of and yes even ownership of/for a shotgun, handgun and a rifle is/are IDENTICAL. Explain how they are "different"

There are jurisdictions where a permit is required to have ANY type of firearm to include shotguns, and jurisdictions where registration is NOT "optional" but "required" you have said the opposite twice now.

Maybe not many but such places DO exist.

I will not speak for anyone else but no I am NOT arguing that we need stricter controls on shotgun ownership.
 

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As mine was to yours.

Round and round we go. Debating real issues with you is fantastic. We could be talking about access to high capacity military style weapons with high penetrative power, destructive rounds, high range, and an ability to inflict mass casualties

and instead we're talking about knives and shotguns because it showed up on your google news feed i guess.
I'm hardly talking out of my ass. They're not regulated in the way that rifles and pistols are. Even in states which have gun permit and registration laws, shotguns do not require permits to own them and registration is optional, not required. It's not that they're not regulated at all, but they're in a completely different category.

All these discussions about gun control are about handguns (the weapon that is most prevalent (by far) in firearm homicides) and military styled rifles (which have strong ability to be used to inflict mass casualties).

Are you, Industrialsize, or Stormfront really arguing that we need stricter controls on shotgun ownership? Because there are zero politicians I know of who are pursuing that approach. You'd have to start your own political party. Not sure what your slogan would be (Submit to bears and home intruders, ban shotguns now!)
Universal background checks for ALL firearm purchases! I know you're from Texas, but in Massachusetts you DO NEED a permit to own ANY firearm, even shotguns.

Section 129C. No person, other than a licensed dealer or one who has been issued a license to carry a pistol or revolver or an exempt person as hereinafter described, shall own or possess any firearm, rifle, shotgun or ammunition unless he has been issued a firearm identification card by the licensing authority pursuant to the provisions of section one hundred and twenty-nine B.
https://www.mass.gov/service-details/massachusetts-firearms-laws
 

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Universal background checks for ALL firearm purchases! I know you're from Texas, but in Massachusetts you DO NEED a permit to own ANY firearm, even shotguns.

Section 129C. No person, other than a licensed dealer or one who has been issued a license to carry a pistol or revolver or an exempt person as hereinafter described, shall own or possess any firearm, rifle, shotgun or ammunition unless he has been issued a firearm identification card by the licensing authority pursuant to the provisions of section one hundred and twenty-nine B.
https://www.mass.gov/service-details/massachusetts-firearms-laws

Is that common (asking earnestly)? I checked several states at random on the NRA site and they generally don't require it (even New York, Maryland, etc). New Jersey requires an ID card to purchase shotguns, but not to own / possess one. It seems more like Massachusetts is the outlier with respect to shotgun registration rather than Texas.
 

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The problem is/was you spoke in "absolutes"

Sales being not regulated when in fact that are

Permits not being required , registration being optional when in fact there are jurisdictions where that is just not the case.

Ma may be the only state with laws such as I describe but I am sure there are many local governments outside MA that have similar laws. As I recall from when I lived in IL there were cities in "chicagoland" that had laws that included all firearms on top of the states FOID card system which has been in place for decades now.

BTW I would hardly call the NRA an unbiased source of such info.

If you ask them Heller v DC was this clear cut "shall not be infringed" manifesto when if you actually read the text of the decision Justice Scalia wrote you will see it is anything but that.
 

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Meanwhile 9 people were killed and 16 wounded in Canada today by a dude driving a truck. motherfucker doubled back and did it again. Canada has very strict gun control yet 9 people still perished and probably more to follow as the day drags on. The problem I have is with murder in general. As long as someone has the will, they will find a way.

Mayor Kahn (spelling) of London said "there is no reason to ever carry a knife" as that city surpassed NYC in murders. Knife crimes and acid attacks are commonplace in Great Britain. The UK has a gun ban.

Here in the states, firearms are the preferred method.

We have a people problem folks. Taking away many of the freedoms we enjoy would have to go into place to lesson the chances of anyone being murdered by any means necessary. Give up your freedom for security. Just going for guns is lazy and a copout.
 
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When people multiple people are getting run down like that on an almost weekly basis we will worry about that then.

World wide it is closer to once per year.

This logic says that because people can die from eating things other than Romain lettuce even though right now that is a not the case so lets no do anything about Romain lettuce either.when now that is the case. IE "lets just do nothing"
 

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Aurora: AR-15
Orlando: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Umpqua CC: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
Texas Church: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
So.... shall we start banning the other implements of (far higher) death?
Such as:
The most common vehicle in DWI deaths?
The most common knife in murders?
The most common household tool?
Peoples’ bare hands?

Each of these ON THEIR OWN account for FAR more yearly deaths than AR 15’s.
 

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So.... shall we start banning the other implements of (far higher) death?
Such as:
The most common vehicle in DWI deaths?
The most common knife in murders?
The most common household tool?
Peoples’ bare hands?

Each of these ON THEIR OWN account for FAR more yearly deaths than AR 15’s.

First, mosquitos! Deadly bastards. More regulation!

After all, it's worked so well for crack!
 
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What a coincidence that the State with the strictest gun control laws also has the lowest rate of gun violence.
And what a coincidence that is THE ONLY ONE.

Try NY (NYC) or IL (Chicago) or CA (Los Angeles) or NJ (Baltimore).

All have FAR more strict laws than MA.

I’ll wait.
 

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When people multiple people are getting run down like that on an almost weekly basis we will worry about that then.

World wide it is closer to once per year.

This logic says that because people can die from eating things other than Romain lettuce even though right now that is a not the case so lets no do anything about Romain lettuce either.when now that is the case. IE "lets just do nothing"


Easy for you to say since you're not affected by the event in Canada. Dead is dead no matter how you got there. So if they didn't get killed by an AR-15 it's all good. One track minds as always. So wait until it becomes commonplace then act. Ok, got it.
 
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