Gun-toting Pa. soccer mom, husband found shot dead

[ZOS23xy]

The linguistic BS is lame, and doesn't do justice to the topic of guns, gun ownership and the deal of....


...maybe a psychological profile tests should be given to prospective gun owners....

 

[Bbucko]

The linguistic BS is lame, and doesn't do justice to the topic of guns, gun ownership and the deal of....


...maybe a psychological profile tests should be given to prospective gun owners....

Or maybe you just let 'em keep thinning out the herd. Lighter traffic would be good for the environment.

 

[MercyfulFate]

Or maybe you just let 'em keep thinning out the herd. Lighter traffic would be good for the environment.

If we were thinning the herd we should start with PETA.

Gun owners are not bad people, nor dangerous. If this murder didn't happen with a gun, it would have happened with a knife.

This is why gun bans and such are laughable, they rarely ever work. If someone wants to kill, they will regardless of the type of weapon available to them.

 

[Pendlum]

If we were thinning the herd we should start with PETA.

Gun owners are not bad people, nor dangerous. If this murder didn't happen with a gun, it would have happened with a knife.

This is why gun bans and such are laughable, they rarely ever work. If someone wants to kill, they will regardless of the type of weapon available to them.

Devil's Advocate here! Hi! It is easier to kill with a gun, especially multiple people. And if you have to be close to kill with a knife. I think many believe that guns make killing too easy, not that they cause killing.

For fun, we could always apply it to a higher level too! Why bother trying to disarm nukes? I mean, if a nation wants to cause mass destruction or genocide, they are going to try anyways. I know, it's silly to compare them, but it was fun (for me at least :tongue.

 

[B_Mister Buildington]

BBC News | UK | Handgun crime 'up' despite ban

Use of handguns in the perpetration of crimes increased by 40% in the UK in the years following their ban.

 

[Bbucko]

If we were thinning the herd we should start with PETA.

Gun owners are not bad people, nor dangerous. If this murder didn't happen with a gun, it would have happened with a knife.

This is why gun bans and such are laughable, they rarely ever work. If someone wants to kill, they will regardless of the type of weapon available to them.

You missed my sarcasm. I really should make better use of the wealth of emoticons at my disposal

PETA's antics and extremism has already marginalized them as kooks with most people, but we're to start thinning out that herd let's call on someone with some serious firepower like an AK47, huh? Knives would just take too fucking long to accomplish the same thing.

Despite having had guns pointed at my head on two occasions during two separate robberies, I'm not a prohibitionist at all, for anything (including guns) and under (most) any circumstance. I might advocate the legalization of all illicit drugs, for instance, but I wouldn't want to fly in a plane piloted by a drunk or a junkie.

 

[SilverTrain]

BBC News | UK | Handgun crime 'up' despite ban

Use of handguns in the perpetration of crimes increased by 40% in the UK in the years following their ban.

Quoting from the article:

"The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals." [bold italics mine]

Countryside Alliance - about us

"The Countryside Alliance can be counted on to challenge, campaign and lobby with a passion."

Not exactly an objective report, then.

 

[ZOS23xy]

If we were thinning the herd we should start with PETA.

Gun owners are not bad people, nor dangerous. If this murder didn't happen with a gun, it would have happened with a knife.

This is why gun bans and such are laughable, they rarely ever work. If someone wants to kill, they will regardless of the type of weapon available to them.

It's hard to kill more than one person every few minutes using a knife. Think of how good machine guns are....

 

[MercyfulFate]

Quoting from the article:

"The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals." [bold italics mine]

Countryside Alliance - about us

"The Countryside Alliance can be counted on to challenge, campaign and lobby with a passion."

Not exactly an objective report, then.

I've had this particular argument a hundred times to the point where I get a headache thinking about it. What I've found is this:

There is too much bias and skewing on either side to really say what gun bans do. However, there's almost no evidence gun bans stop gun crimes. Criminals will still obtain them however they can, no matter what.

Unless you can stop the production of guns permanently, it won't achieve much.

 

[SilverTrain]

Unless you can stop the production of guns permanently, it won't achieve much.

So, in the meantime, everyone gets one! Or twelve.

 

[B_Mister Buildington]

Quoting from the article:

"The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals." [bold italics mine]

Countryside Alliance - about us

"The Countryside Alliance can be counted on to challenge, campaign and lobby with a passion."

Not exactly an objective report, then.

OK, how about this one? It, too, shows nearly a doubling of crimes involving firearms in the years after the ban.

BBC NEWS | UK | Analysis: UK gun crime figures

When something is objectively true, you don't need to use skewed studies to make your point.

 

[SilverTrain]

OK, how about this one? It, too, shows nearly a doubling of crimes involving firearms in the years after the ban.

BBC NEWS | UK | Analysis: UK gun crime figures

When something is objectively true, you don't need to use skewed studies to make your point.

What is "objectively true"? That laws restricting firearm ownership lead to death? Is that really a claim you're making?

You link to a graph to argue that gun deaths are increasing in the UK, but, according to your linked graph, the number of gun deaths in the UK plateaued and went down the past few years.

Also, the increases you cite must be put in context. As per your article, "According to Home Office figures, there were 59 firearms-related homicides in 2006-07 compared with 49 in the previous year. That is an increase of 18% in just one year." Going from 49 to 59 deaths per year. That is an entirely different universe from the US, where yearly gun deaths number in the many thousands. See File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's not so much apples and oranges, as Earth and Mars.

There's no comprehensive analysis in your link as to the effect of any other factors on the numbers. But really, if you want to cite a post-ban increase in yearly gun deaths in the UK from 49 to 59 as some sort of winning argument in the debate about gun safety in the US, so be it.

You want your guns. We get it.

Guns kill people. What else do they do?

 

[HazelGod]

You want your guns. We get it.

Guns kill people. What else do they do?

Collectively ensure the liberty of the citizenry.

 

[B_Mister Buildington]

Guns kill people. What else do they do?

Protect innocent people from injury by criminals. You don't even need to fire a shot to deter crime. Just show that you have the means to defend yourself, and a gun can save you.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]In the United States, guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 per day. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]-Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State University[/FONT]​

Guns allow you to defend yourself.